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	<title>Comments on: Protestant fundamentalists still reject evolution</title>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/04/protestant-fundamentalists-still-reject-evolution/#comment-41546</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2012 22:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7, i meant &lt;b&gt;political liberals.&lt;/b&gt; i had added that now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7, i meant <b>political liberals.</b> i had added that now.</p>
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		<title>By: RK</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/04/protestant-fundamentalists-still-reject-evolution/#comment-41545</link>
		<dc:creator>RK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2012 16:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Limiting the sample to non-Hispanic whites changes the picture. The proportion of Catholic conservatives who accept evolution does not change. But 65 percent of non-Hispanic white Protestants now accept evolution.&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe third time&#039;s the charm with posting. If I&#039;m doing this right, limiting the sample to non-Hispanic whites -- RACE(1), HISPANIC(1), yields slightly more support for evolution among Protestants, but not much more: 63.3% reject, and only 36.7% accept. How did you arrive at the 65% figure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Limiting the sample to non-Hispanic whites changes the picture. The proportion of Catholic conservatives who accept evolution does not change. But 65 percent of non-Hispanic white Protestants now accept evolution.</i></p>
<p>Maybe third time&#8217;s the charm with posting. If I&#8217;m doing this right, limiting the sample to non-Hispanic whites &#8212; RACE(1), HISPANIC(1), yields slightly more support for evolution among Protestants, but not much more: 63.3% reject, and only 36.7% accept. How did you arrive at the 65% figure?</p>
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		<title>By: scott the mediocre</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/04/protestant-fundamentalists-still-reject-evolution/#comment-41544</link>
		<dc:creator>scott the mediocre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2012 21:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh?

The &quot;Book of fables&quot; values make no sense in conjunction with the &quot;Word of God&quot; and &quot;Inspired&quot; values.

&quot;Word of God&quot; + &quot;Inspired&quot; &gt; 100% for liberals.  I assume that&#039;s a subtle commentary on liberals&#039; putative inability to make up their minds :)

(yes, I&#039;m of those contemptible left-by-american-standards types)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh?</p>
<p>The &#8220;Book of fables&#8221; values make no sense in conjunction with the &#8220;Word of God&#8221; and &#8220;Inspired&#8221; values.</p>
<p>&#8220;Word of God&#8221; + &#8220;Inspired&#8221; &gt; 100% for liberals.  I assume that&#8217;s a subtle commentary on liberals&#8217; putative inability to make up their minds <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(yes, I&#8217;m of those contemptible left-by-american-standards types)</p>
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		<title>By: Miley Cyrax</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/04/protestant-fundamentalists-still-reject-evolution/#comment-41543</link>
		<dc:creator>Miley Cyrax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 17:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The left and the far right both reject evolution, albeit in different ways, and hold onto their own forms of creationism.

The left loves to denounce the right for being anti-evolution, all the while clinging onto blank slatism like a child holds onto a teddy bear at night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The left and the far right both reject evolution, albeit in different ways, and hold onto their own forms of creationism.</p>
<p>The left loves to denounce the right for being anti-evolution, all the while clinging onto blank slatism like a child holds onto a teddy bear at night.</p>
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		<title>By: Filipe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Filipe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 13:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 2. Karl Zimmerman: What about Neil deGrasse Tyson?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 2. Karl Zimmerman: What about Neil deGrasse Tyson?</p>
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		<title>By: CIngram</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/04/protestant-fundamentalists-still-reject-evolution/#comment-41541</link>
		<dc:creator>CIngram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 13:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;All professors believe in evolution, but most are lamarckians not darwinians.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

This needs a bit of clarification, surely. If you mean to include all disciplines, I&#039;m sure you can find quite a few college professors who don&#039;t believe in evolution. But if you&#039;re restricting it to the relevant fields it seems highly improbable that a majority are Lamarckians. Though in general terms the comparison is fairly sound, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;All professors believe in evolution, but most are lamarckians not darwinians.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>This needs a bit of clarification, surely. If you mean to include all disciplines, I&#8217;m sure you can find quite a few college professors who don&#8217;t believe in evolution. But if you&#8217;re restricting it to the relevant fields it seems highly improbable that a majority are Lamarckians. Though in general terms the comparison is fairly sound, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Zimmerman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/04/protestant-fundamentalists-still-reject-evolution/#comment-41540</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Zimmerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 12:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, there has been a trend among Mormons toward creationism.  I know in the last few months I had read in the 1970s a clear majority of Bringham Young students accepted evolution, and now a clear majority reject it.  Apologies if I read it on this blog.

What I think we&#039;ve seen with evolution is it&#039;s gone from being something rejected by fundamentalists due to exclusively religious concerns to a signifier of being part of a political/ideological &quot;tribe.&quot;  Of course, this isn&#039;t universal, as the two exceptions you noted show.  Still, it doesn&#039;t disprove the idea, as black Protestants or conservative Catholics don&#039;t really socialize with their supposed brethren as much as they do they do within their own circle.

I&#039;m always surprised the &quot;pro-evolution&quot; movement doesn&#039;t engage with African Americans more.  My experience is although many are skeptics of evolution, it&#039;s not as reflexive as among white evangelicals, more of a generally-held sentiment they never bothered to consider.   If we had a black Richard Dawkins or two, I think it would make a big difference (please, no one cite statistics here on how unlikely this is - you don&#039;t need to be on the extreme right end of the bell curve to be a popular science writer/pundit).   I can only conclude the reason why it isn&#039;t engaged more heavily is it&#039;s frankly the opinions of black people on evolution are not seen as very important in the United States.  Alternately, maybe the secular, white liberals like using evolution as a cudgel against their political enemies, but see no reason to use it to attack their &quot;friends.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, there has been a trend among Mormons toward creationism.  I know in the last few months I had read in the 1970s a clear majority of Bringham Young students accepted evolution, and now a clear majority reject it.  Apologies if I read it on this blog.</p>
<p>What I think we&#8217;ve seen with evolution is it&#8217;s gone from being something rejected by fundamentalists due to exclusively religious concerns to a signifier of being part of a political/ideological &#8220;tribe.&#8221;  Of course, this isn&#8217;t universal, as the two exceptions you noted show.  Still, it doesn&#8217;t disprove the idea, as black Protestants or conservative Catholics don&#8217;t really socialize with their supposed brethren as much as they do they do within their own circle.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m always surprised the &#8220;pro-evolution&#8221; movement doesn&#8217;t engage with African Americans more.  My experience is although many are skeptics of evolution, it&#8217;s not as reflexive as among white evangelicals, more of a generally-held sentiment they never bothered to consider.   If we had a black Richard Dawkins or two, I think it would make a big difference (please, no one cite statistics here on how unlikely this is &#8211; you don&#8217;t need to be on the extreme right end of the bell curve to be a popular science writer/pundit).   I can only conclude the reason why it isn&#8217;t engaged more heavily is it&#8217;s frankly the opinions of black people on evolution are not seen as very important in the United States.  Alternately, maybe the secular, white liberals like using evolution as a cudgel against their political enemies, but see no reason to use it to attack their &#8220;friends.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: bob sykes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/04/protestant-fundamentalists-still-reject-evolution/#comment-41539</link>
		<dc:creator>bob sykes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 12:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last few Popes have said that evolution is true, which explains Catholic exceptionalism, but the Popes and hierarchy are dubious about natural selection.

In this Catholics are more like college professors. All professors believe in evolution, but most are lamarckians not darwinians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last few Popes have said that evolution is true, which explains Catholic exceptionalism, but the Popes and hierarchy are dubious about natural selection.</p>
<p>In this Catholics are more like college professors. All professors believe in evolution, but most are lamarckians not darwinians.</p>
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