Typical British/Irish results again.

100% European

60.01% Northwestern Europe
20.33% Iberian
15.00% Baltic-Urals
4.66% Indus Valley

1. Scandinavia
2. Orkney Islands Scotland
3. Western Scotland and Ireland
4. England
5. France
6. Cornwall West Britain
7. European-American Utah
8. Belarus
9. Basque Spain
10. Galicia Spain
11. Ukraine
12. Spain
13. Slovenia
14. Mordvin
15. Lithuania
16. Basque France
17. Bergamo Italy
18. Romania
19. Poland West Slavic Mixed
20. Hungary

I have seen Paul Conroy’s genetic results several times in genome analysis blogs (e.g., Dodecad, Eurogenes, Harappa). He is genetically a typical British/Irish person according to them. So if he has some colonial-era South Asian ancestry, it must be so minuscule as to be genetically undetectable.

This includes Conroy’s parents’ genetic results in those blogs too. They, too, are genetically typical British/Irish according to their genetic results in those blogs.

The “Indus Valley” component of DNA Tribes is a very diffuse and mixed component, and not just for DNA Tribes customers but also for people in the DNA Tribes database. For instance, Southwest Scots in the DNA Tribes database have 5.3% “Indus Valley” component on average and Orcadians in the DNA Tribes database have 3.7% “Indus Valley” component on average.

http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-snp-admixture-2012-03-12.pdf

Do all these people have colonial-era genetic connections with South Asia? Obviously not. So there is nothing unusual in your father’s results for a 100% Irish (Irish people are not included in the DNA Tribes database, so I use Orcadians and Scots as proxies). Another important point: As you know, results of people in the database are not directly comparable with results of customers like your parents due to what David calls “calculator effect” (this explains your parents’ low amount of “Northwest European” component compared to Northwest Europeans in the database); but, if even Northwest Europeans in the database have so much “Indus Valley”, then you should not be surprised at the amount of “Indus Valley” your father has (3.76%).

As for your mother’s “Horn of Africa” component, it is in noise levels for DNA Tribes (0.99%), so it does not mean anything. Thus your mother’s results are not unusual for the Irish either.

Lastly, similarity lists of DNA Tribes are not accurate most of the time. So you should not make much of them.

you lack reading comprehension. norway or britain have lots of records in the first place because the churches have detailed records which go back centuries.

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Father (IE6) – 100% Native Irish AFAIK:
100% European

51.50% Northwestern European
22.37% Iberian
21.87% Baltic-Urals
3.76% Indus Valley
0.51% Arctic

1. Cornwall West Britain
2. Lithuania
3. West Scotland and Ireland
4. England
5. Orkney Islands Scotland
6. European-American Utah
7. Slovenia
8. Hungary
9. Galicia Spain
10. Basque Spain
11. France
12. Ukraine
13. Germany and Netherlands
14. Spain
15. Scandinavia
16. Bergamo Italy
17. Romania
18. Belarus
19. Basque France
20. Finland

Mother (IE7) – Mostly Native Irish, but also Huguenot, Norman and Lancashire England (which may include Alano-Sarmatians) ancestry:
100% European

60.16% Northwest European
20.47% Iberian
17.67% Baltic-Urals
0.99% Horn of Africa
0.64% Oceanian
0.05% Central African
0.03% Southern African

1. France
2. West Scotland and Ireland
3. Basque Spain
4. Hungary
5. Cornwall West Britain
6. England
7. Belarus
8. Mordvin
9. Orkney Islands Scotland
10. European-American Utah
11. Ukraine
12. Lithuania
13. Slovenia
14. Spain
15. Poland West Slavic Mixed
16. Galicia Spain
17. Bergamo Italy
18. Basque France
19. Finland
20. Germany and Netherlands

https://www.23andme.com/you/faqwin/beforeyoubuyinternational/

That’s gotta be a huge source of the bias.

BTW, my fathers relative identifies on 23andMe as “South Asian”, not “Multiple Regions” or anything like that.

The person in question is Raam Thakrar – I believe this is him:

http://www.linkedin.com/in/raamthakrar

You be the judge!

You also have known Irish people living in Pakistan, such as Jennifer (Wren) Musa – known as the “Queen of Baluchistan”, who hails from Co Kerry, Ireland:

http://pakistaniat.com/2010/01/12/jennifer-wren-musa/

Her son is the current Pakistani ambassador to Russia.

So that’s a start, you are not denying the presence of recently Irish ancestry in South Asia/Greater India.

I know nothing about the situation of the British Army in India, but in almost all cases where there are large army bases of soldiers, who are comparatively much wealthier than the locals, a population of prostitutes will form around the bases, and mixed race children will follow.

Look at Korea or Vietnam or any other war. People have similar motivations everywhere, so I don’t think it’s credible that in India this did not happen – do you?

While I think you are probably correct here, on the other hand there is the fact that hundreds of thousands of Irish – in the form of the British Army – lived in India (including today’s Pakistan and Bangladesh), only recently.

I’ve brought up the Anglo-Indian thing a few times on Harappa and no one seemed interested in discussing it at all.

Yet, I dated a Jatt Sikh from the Punjab years ago and she told me that in her small town, there were 2 Anglo-Indian large landowners, one I remember was called “Stack”, which is a name from Co Kerry, Ireland. So there certainly must be Indians with Irish ancestry, who now shun the association. This girl – who looked like Norah Jones – even told me that her father had reddish hair himself, and was much lighter skinned than her paternal grandfather or grandmother.

When I search for my lastname in the list of the Bengal Army (part of the British Army in India), there are no fewer than 40 Conroy enlisted men and 2 Conroy officers. I find it hard to believe they left no descendants. My father has a distant relative who is Indian – lastname Thakrar.

You’re noting India but your graphic points to Ireland.