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		<title>By: Alai Mac Erc</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/08/the-future-of-the-three-pakistans/#comment-45868</link>
		<dc:creator>Alai Mac Erc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 08:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would the entirety of the EU be the &quot;appropriate&quot; comparison with the US?  It&#039;s not a federal state, and there&#039;s little similarity between the pretty consistently social democrat track taken by Sweden and the hodge-podge of squirarchies, croney capitalist, and outright kleptocratic regimes that have lurched across the rest of the continent.  Indeed, most of Europe wasn&#039;t even *in* the EU for their post-War (say) economic development.

It might be a convenient size, but as a political category it has very limited meaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would the entirety of the EU be the &#8220;appropriate&#8221; comparison with the US?  It&#8217;s not a federal state, and there&#8217;s little similarity between the pretty consistently social democrat track taken by Sweden and the hodge-podge of squirarchies, croney capitalist, and outright kleptocratic regimes that have lurched across the rest of the continent.  Indeed, most of Europe wasn&#8217;t even *in* the EU for their post-War (say) economic development.</p>
<p>It might be a convenient size, but as a political category it has very limited meaning.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5, a lot of the weirdness in the USA has to do with census and gov. benefits. indian american businessmen lobbied to become asian in 1980 to get asian gov. contracts, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5, a lot of the weirdness in the USA has to do with census and gov. benefits. indian american businessmen lobbied to become asian in 1980 to get asian gov. contracts, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Rashid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rashid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;20 to 35 percent of america’s population is non-white depending on how you define it.&quot;

That is an interesting inquiry.  We&#039;ve somehow developed a notion that a Spanish surname and eating posole precludes &#039;whiteness&#039;, i.e. white = homogenous northern European background.   At the same time, on the census, my wife from Mashad, Iran is told to check &#039;white&#039; (she is close in complexion to Razib).  Arabs are also &#039;white&#039; on the census, and no one ever considered Steve Jobs to be otherwise.  But Arab is a linguistic construct, if nothing else.

And don&#039;t get me started on how Indians are &#039;asian&#039; and lumped in with east Asians, although they tend to be linguistically and physically closer to Europeans.  Saudis, Iranians and Israelis aren&#039;t asian despite their presence on the continent.

Its utter self-contradictory confusion.

It is ironic how this granular differentiation from &#039;white&#039; comes during a period when the concept of &#039;whiteness&#039; is being obviated (intermarriage, grandpa admitting he is 1/4 black, people just don&#039;t give a fuck about it anymore, etc).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;20 to 35 percent of america’s population is non-white depending on how you define it.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is an interesting inquiry.  We&#8217;ve somehow developed a notion that a Spanish surname and eating posole precludes &#8216;whiteness&#8217;, i.e. white = homogenous northern European background.   At the same time, on the census, my wife from Mashad, Iran is told to check &#8216;white&#8217; (she is close in complexion to Razib).  Arabs are also &#8216;white&#8217; on the census, and no one ever considered Steve Jobs to be otherwise.  But Arab is a linguistic construct, if nothing else.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t get me started on how Indians are &#8216;asian&#8217; and lumped in with east Asians, although they tend to be linguistically and physically closer to Europeans.  Saudis, Iranians and Israelis aren&#8217;t asian despite their presence on the continent.</p>
<p>Its utter self-contradictory confusion.</p>
<p>It is ironic how this granular differentiation from &#8216;white&#8217; comes during a period when the concept of &#8216;whiteness&#8217; is being obviated (intermarriage, grandpa admitting he is 1/4 black, people just don&#8217;t give a fuck about it anymore, etc).</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#3, depends on the metric. 20 to 35 percent of america&#039;s population is non-white depending on how you define it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3, depends on the metric. 20 to 35 percent of america&#8217;s population is non-white depending on how you define it.</p>
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		<title>By: Hermenauta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hermenauta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;“Sweden has such incredible social metrics compared to the United States”; the appropriate analogy is the European Union as a whole&quot;

I think this is not true; despite the invention of the European Union, the history of european countries is much more diverse than that of the american states; their roots are solidly planted in a scale of millenia.  The USA are a social experiment aprox 300 years old, and much more homogeneous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“Sweden has such incredible social metrics compared to the United States”; the appropriate analogy is the European Union as a whole&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this is not true; despite the invention of the European Union, the history of european countries is much more diverse than that of the american states; their roots are solidly planted in a scale of millenia.  The USA are a social experiment aprox 300 years old, and much more homogeneous.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;as India and Pakistan are constructs created by the British, while the EU is a construct that only reluctantly participated in by the British.&lt;/i&gt;

i think the the analogy that works is western civilization (excludes the east roman/orthodox), india, and china. the EU is the attempt by western civ to recreate political unity after the roman collapse. the british imposed it de novo on india, though unity had been achieved sporadically over the course of its civilization, while china is the inverse, in that it was more unified than not, especially in ideology (ie.., second halves of dynasties tend toward de facto decentralization).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>as India and Pakistan are constructs created by the British, while the EU is a construct that only reluctantly participated in by the British.</i></p>
<p>i think the the analogy that works is western civilization (excludes the east roman/orthodox), india, and china. the EU is the attempt by western civ to recreate political unity after the roman collapse. the british imposed it de novo on india, though unity had been achieved sporadically over the course of its civilization, while china is the inverse, in that it was more unified than not, especially in ideology (ie.., second halves of dynasties tend toward de facto decentralization).</p>
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		<title>By: Rashid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rashid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the appropriate analogy is the European Union as a whole&quot;  - almost a perfect analogy, as India and Pakistan are constructs created by the British, while the EU is a construct that only reluctantly participated in by the British.    :)


Bangladeshi fertility rates are the true wonder here.  I think that the perceived notion that Muslim. societies are especially resistant to declining fertility should be reconsidered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the appropriate analogy is the European Union as a whole&#8221;  &#8211; almost a perfect analogy, as India and Pakistan are constructs created by the British, while the EU is a construct that only reluctantly participated in by the British.    <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Bangladeshi fertility rates are the true wonder here.  I think that the perceived notion that Muslim. societies are especially resistant to declining fertility should be reconsidered.</p>
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