Sorry.

Jesus H. Christ, I didn’t know Razib had appointed you a moderator. If you want an insult, I can give you one as an example for when I’m not playing nice:

“Whatever you’re full of, it ain’t human consciousness, that’s for sure.”

Addressing someone casually isn’t an insult, unless of course, they’ve got an unwarranted sense of self importance or they’re touchy. QED.

As for calling me a troll, I’ve been reading Razib since the Usenet days. I don’t respond much, sure, but I’m hardly an anonymous feces-flinging tard. Anyways I got a feeling Razib is gonna lock this one down for low signal to noise at this point, which sucks because the t-shirts are a good idea, well next open thread anyways.

You insult me again and want to call it settled? Insults are off limits on this blog, sorry. Anyway I was quoting the Czar- go argue with him if you are such an expert.

Like I said, this topic brings out the trolls.

I would rather discuss the meaning of “full” human consciousness. On a recent thread everybody seemed to agree on what this meant, however googling around didn’t really clear up my confusion-seems to be many definitions.

Touchy much? Look, you can call me Spike, Spikey or Late for dinner, I don’t care. I won’t call you a nickname because you don’t like it, apparently. Settled?

Suffice to say I don’t read DrugMonkey and haven’t gotten the full length of your views. Me being a former heavy user of cannabis and deep into the smoker culture is part of the reason *why* I’m so hard against it. For every Carl Sagan there are ten 35 year old grad school dropouts huffing their own intellectual farts between passing the bong around after work and 100 McDonald’s employees sharing a bowl behind the dumpster. You gotta do what you gotta do to make it through the day, but lets be honest, the life of a chronic user is about as pathetic as the guy with a flask of whiskey in his office drawer, minus the elevated chances of him hitting someone on the way home or beating his wife. In that at least, it’s less harmful than alcohol.

Also, if you noticed, this thread is all about being “off-topic” on anything, and if my opinion of being pro-legalization but dubious about how many people paint it as less harmful than legal substances, is pointless, then why bear arguing against it? Let silence reign, or have an honest go at it. Don’t be passive aggressive, it’s annoying.

The illogical prohibition makes perfect sense in the light that the majority of humans aren’t logical, and even the logical ones will engage in pragmatic illogic quite a bit. The prohibition ain’t the first, nor the last funky sausage coming out of the sausage factory.

Since this is an open thread though I will mention that Oct 1 marks **75 years** of prohibition. The illogical prohibition itself is a much more interesting topic to me.

You kidding? I consider my use of cheap cigars to be medical tobacco. Seriously, it keeps me sane. No, it’s not addiction, I mean I need it to do what I want to do. The tradeoff in life years is enough for me. The way I see it, I’m maximizing cognitive and creative production now at the cost of life time that would be spent in slow mental, creative and physical decline.

Frankly, I call bullshit on the harmlessness of marijuana. Less harmful than alcohol? Yeah, probably. Tobacco? Have you seen how 95% of people consume marijuana? Yeah, you can consume it other ways than smoking, but lets be realistic. Illegal or legal, that’s how most of it is going to be consumed and the stuff is harder on the pulmonary system than tobacco is. Toss in the fact that it’s a serious mental disturbance trigger for 3-10% of the population (depending on study and definition) and you got something that’s up there with cigs and booze, way above Starbucks or kava in the danger category.

I’m not saying that it should be illegal. I’m for legalizing it. But let’s be honest with ourselves.

Cannabis and marijuana are the same thing. Also, if you are going to bring up other effects besides IQ, the drug czar himself even finally admitted that cannabis is less harmful than alcohol; in fact it’s much less harmful than both cigarettes and alcohol. Emotionally and mentally fragile people should be very cautious with all drugs (and according to wikipedia your condition can be triggered by a long list of things including caffeine, nicotine, alcohol withdrawal and sleep deprivation).

But the mental disorder I’ve had for over a year (derealization) can be triggered by the use of cannabis and marijuana.

So be careful when taking drugs, kids.

If the admixture was this high wouldn’t it show up on FST measurements? Or am I missing something?