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	<title>Comments on: Singularity Summit 2012 &#8211; be there!</title>
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		<title>By: Abelard Lindsey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/09/singularity-summit-2012-be-there/#comment-47101</link>
		<dc:creator>Abelard Lindsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 18:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I subscribe to what Brian Wang (Next Big Future) calls the mundane singularity. However, I am skeptical of the A.I. based singularity.

I read &quot;Fire Upon the Deep&quot; when it first came out, and was not particularly impressed with it. Of Verner Vinges stuff, I liked his &quot;Across Realtime&quot; novels better. He wrote these novels, &quot;The Peace War&quot; and &quot;Marooned in Realtime&quot;, in the mid 80&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I subscribe to what Brian Wang (Next Big Future) calls the mundane singularity. However, I am skeptical of the A.I. based singularity.</p>
<p>I read &#8220;Fire Upon the Deep&#8221; when it first came out, and was not particularly impressed with it. Of Verner Vinges stuff, I liked his &#8220;Across Realtime&#8221; novels better. He wrote these novels, &#8220;The Peace War&#8221; and &#8220;Marooned in Realtime&#8221;, in the mid 80&#8242;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Goodey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/09/singularity-summit-2012-be-there/#comment-47100</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Goodey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 17:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Referring to Vernor Vinge&#039;s &#039;A Fire Upon The Deep&#039;, Karl Zimmerman says &quot;... the idea of futuristic aliens interacting on a (FTL) galactic scale through a text-only browser is hilarious.&quot; This is mistaken. First, it&#039;s not hilarious, because the premise is that the system has very low bandwidth, and on that assumption, text-only usage is completely logical. Secondly, it wasn&#039;t a text-only system; at one point the Perversion broadcasts an extremely expensive propaganda message in full sensory format.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Referring to Vernor Vinge&#8217;s &#8216;A Fire Upon The Deep&#8217;, Karl Zimmerman says &#8220;&#8230; the idea of futuristic aliens interacting on a (FTL) galactic scale through a text-only browser is hilarious.&#8221; This is mistaken. First, it&#8217;s not hilarious, because the premise is that the system has very low bandwidth, and on that assumption, text-only usage is completely logical. Secondly, it wasn&#8217;t a text-only system; at one point the Perversion broadcasts an extremely expensive propaganda message in full sensory format.</p>
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		<title>By: AllenM</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/09/singularity-summit-2012-be-there/#comment-47099</link>
		<dc:creator>AllenM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 04:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real question is why would a transhuman retain much interest in the world of standard humans- especially if they could get off world and into the larger area of at least the solar system.  A fifty year transit to Alpha Centauri for an ai based intelligence or uploaded human in a virtual world might be comfortable as taking the subway today.

Too much conjecture to see clear and easy pathways to that future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real question is why would a transhuman retain much interest in the world of standard humans- especially if they could get off world and into the larger area of at least the solar system.  A fifty year transit to Alpha Centauri for an ai based intelligence or uploaded human in a virtual world might be comfortable as taking the subway today.</p>
<p>Too much conjecture to see clear and easy pathways to that future.</p>
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		<title>By: Amos Zeeberg (Discover Web Editor)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amos Zeeberg (Discover Web Editor)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 19:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny to see that graph of sequencing costs here: I first saw that graph at Science Online NYC last week [#sonyc], when Matthew Herper showed it as his only slide.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2011/05/13/dna-sequencing-beating-moores-law-since-january-2008/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny to see that graph of sequencing costs here: I first saw that graph at Science Online NYC last week [#sonyc], when Matthew Herper showed it as his only slide.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2011/05/13/dna-sequencing-beating-moores-law-since-january-2008/" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2011/05/13/dna-sequencing-beating-moores-law-since-january-2008/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/09/singularity-summit-2012-be-there/#comment-47097</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 19:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What the Singularity people get wrong is what this implies. It does not imply a heaven-on-earth end-of-history Nirvanna.&lt;/i&gt;

you don&#039;t characterize &quot;their&quot; views correctly. that&#039;s usually the first problem, and so why i discuss it rarely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What the Singularity people get wrong is what this implies. It does not imply a heaven-on-earth end-of-history Nirvanna.</i></p>
<p>you don&#8217;t characterize &#8220;their&#8221; views correctly. that&#8217;s usually the first problem, and so why i discuss it rarely.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris_T_T</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/09/singularity-summit-2012-be-there/#comment-47096</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris_T_T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Superhuman AI is a given, and almost inevitable at this point.&lt;/i&gt;

Hardly, we don&#039;t even have a physical definition of intelligence (versus an operational one) at this point. Until we have that, &#039;superhuman&#039; and other relative terms are meaningless and we have no way of knowing if human cognitive function can be replicated in any way other than the existing one.

A major problem I have with the singularity concept is that it assumes there is no physical limit to how fast society or technology can change (the basic concept; I have a lot of problems with specific ideas of how it can be achieved). At some point the rate at which you can physically implement innovation is going to the limit the speed of further innovation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Superhuman AI is a given, and almost inevitable at this point.</i></p>
<p>Hardly, we don&#8217;t even have a physical definition of intelligence (versus an operational one) at this point. Until we have that, &#8216;superhuman&#8217; and other relative terms are meaningless and we have no way of knowing if human cognitive function can be replicated in any way other than the existing one.</p>
<p>A major problem I have with the singularity concept is that it assumes there is no physical limit to how fast society or technology can change (the basic concept; I have a lot of problems with specific ideas of how it can be achieved). At some point the rate at which you can physically implement innovation is going to the limit the speed of further innovation.</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/09/singularity-summit-2012-be-there/#comment-47095</link>
		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superhuman AI is a given, and almost inevitable at this point.  What the Singularity people get wrong is what this implies.  It does not imply a heaven-on-earth end-of-history Nirvanna.  It implies that everything that you write *now* will someday be read by a superhuman computer in the year 2030.  Many of us might find ourselves in concentration camps for our present-day heresy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superhuman AI is a given, and almost inevitable at this point.  What the Singularity people get wrong is what this implies.  It does not imply a heaven-on-earth end-of-history Nirvanna.  It implies that everything that you write *now* will someday be read by a superhuman computer in the year 2030.  Many of us might find ourselves in concentration camps for our present-day heresy.</p>
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		<title>By: jose</title>
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		<dc:creator>jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved Neuromancer as a kid. Re-read it recently and it&#039;s impossible not to notice the lack of wireless data connections as everybody races around trying to find a wired connection to &quot;jack-in&quot;. They already have cat-5 connectors in the back of their skull, just throw in at least a wi-fi chip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved Neuromancer as a kid. Re-read it recently and it&#8217;s impossible not to notice the lack of wireless data connections as everybody races around trying to find a wired connection to &#8220;jack-in&#8221;. They already have cat-5 connectors in the back of their skull, just throw in at least a wi-fi chip!</p>
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		<title>By: JayMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>JayMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoy! I&#039;d go if I could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoy! I&#8217;d go if I could.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Zimmerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Zimmerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too loved &lt;I&gt;A Fire Upon The Deep&lt;/I&gt; as a child, although I think that the kinda-prequel &lt;I&gt;A Deepness In The Sky&lt;/I&gt; may have been a better book (if more straightforward) overall.  Next to David Brin in &lt;I&gt;Earth&lt;/I&gt;, Vinge came closest out of the non-cyberpunk science-fiction authors of that era to understanding what the internet was going to become.  Although in retrospect, the idea of futuristic aliens interacting on a (FTL) galactic scale through a text-only browser is hilarious.

Regardless, compare it to something like Kim Stanley Robinson&#039;s &lt;I&gt;Mars Trilogy&lt;/I&gt;, which despite being written entirely in the 1990s, has zero references to the internet until the last book (by 1996 he couldn&#039;t totally avoid it anymore).  I recall rereading the series recently and finding it amazing how many times they reference people &quot;watching television.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too loved <i>A Fire Upon The Deep</i> as a child, although I think that the kinda-prequel <i>A Deepness In The Sky</i> may have been a better book (if more straightforward) overall.  Next to David Brin in <i>Earth</i>, Vinge came closest out of the non-cyberpunk science-fiction authors of that era to understanding what the internet was going to become.  Although in retrospect, the idea of futuristic aliens interacting on a (FTL) galactic scale through a text-only browser is hilarious.</p>
<p>Regardless, compare it to something like Kim Stanley Robinson&#8217;s <i>Mars Trilogy</i>, which despite being written entirely in the 1990s, has zero references to the internet until the last book (by 1996 he couldn&#8217;t totally avoid it anymore).  I recall rereading the series recently and finding it amazing how many times they reference people &#8220;watching television.&#8221;</p>
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