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		<title>By: ackbark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/09/who-believes-in-i-q/#comment-46220</link>
		<dc:creator>ackbark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 20:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very bad at math, but I&#039;m not so bad at other things.

I think much of my difficulty has to do with working memory --in relation to math I don&#039;t have much, but I have more in relation to other tasks.

So my question is,

are there studies showing the amount of working memory available to be dependent upon the task at hand and not as a general fixed amount?

(you might say my blank slate shrinks when I aim it at math, expands when I aim it somewhere else).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very bad at math, but I&#8217;m not so bad at other things.</p>
<p>I think much of my difficulty has to do with working memory &#8211;in relation to math I don&#8217;t have much, but I have more in relation to other tasks.</p>
<p>So my question is,</p>
<p>are there studies showing the amount of working memory available to be dependent upon the task at hand and not as a general fixed amount?</p>
<p>(you might say my blank slate shrinks when I aim it at math, expands when I aim it somewhere else).</p>
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		<title>By: Grey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/09/who-believes-in-i-q/#comment-46219</link>
		<dc:creator>Grey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 05:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A possible test to that theory could be to see if european left-wingers (where there is not – or it was not until very recently – a racial subtext in discussions about equality/unequality) are less prone than american “liberals” to deny the value and/or the “geneticity” of IQ.&quot;

Race isn&#039;t required. They don&#039;t believe in innate IQ differences between individuals and they attempt to prove it by creating 100% pass rates to the great detriment of everyone concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A possible test to that theory could be to see if european left-wingers (where there is not – or it was not until very recently – a racial subtext in discussions about equality/unequality) are less prone than american “liberals” to deny the value and/or the “geneticity” of IQ.&#8221;</p>
<p>Race isn&#8217;t required. They don&#8217;t believe in innate IQ differences between individuals and they attempt to prove it by creating 100% pass rates to the great detriment of everyone concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: gcochran</title>
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		<dc:creator>gcochran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 01:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; some characteristic at which blacks are (on average) better than whites which isn’t measured by IQ tests&quot;

  As good.  Voting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; some characteristic at which blacks are (on average) better than whites which isn’t measured by IQ tests&#8221;</p>
<p>  As good.  Voting.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/09/who-believes-in-i-q/#comment-46217</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 00:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miguel - in the U.S., the left doesn&#039;t like to deal with intelligence differences as they relate to policy *at all*. Regardless of whether the differences are primarily genetic or environmental. (Though sometimes the left will support policies which claim to improve IQs generally, like promoting breastfeeding.) I&#039;m not familiar with European leftist discourse, but consider this question:

In a school large enough to have multiple classes of students about the same age (physical maturity, etc.), should the classes be sorted by intelligence?

When I grew up, the answer in the U.S. was generally &quot;yes&quot;. There were varying motivations for this - in some schools, the class with the least intelligent students was smaller, or the teacher had an assistant, so that those kids could be given additional help to master the material; there was also often a desire to challenge the smartest students to achieve more. Another motive was to keep the smart students from getting bored and disruptive.

These days, now that it&#039;s my daughter in school, the answer is generally &quot;no&quot;. The motivations for that answer appear to me to be either levelling egalitarianism, or a desire to avoid having racial imbalances between the classes. The latter motive can be again a form of egalitarianism, or it can be fear of lawsuits - since the time I was in school, many school districts have been successfully sued for having &quot;too many&quot; black kids (or hispanic kids) in &quot;speical education&quot; or remedial classes.

How would your typical Finnish leftist answer? How about an Italian (where environmental factors may play a greater role)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miguel &#8211; in the U.S., the left doesn&#8217;t like to deal with intelligence differences as they relate to policy *at all*. Regardless of whether the differences are primarily genetic or environmental. (Though sometimes the left will support policies which claim to improve IQs generally, like promoting breastfeeding.) I&#8217;m not familiar with European leftist discourse, but consider this question:</p>
<p>In a school large enough to have multiple classes of students about the same age (physical maturity, etc.), should the classes be sorted by intelligence?</p>
<p>When I grew up, the answer in the U.S. was generally &#8220;yes&#8221;. There were varying motivations for this &#8211; in some schools, the class with the least intelligent students was smaller, or the teacher had an assistant, so that those kids could be given additional help to master the material; there was also often a desire to challenge the smartest students to achieve more. Another motive was to keep the smart students from getting bored and disruptive.</p>
<p>These days, now that it&#8217;s my daughter in school, the answer is generally &#8220;no&#8221;. The motivations for that answer appear to me to be either levelling egalitarianism, or a desire to avoid having racial imbalances between the classes. The latter motive can be again a form of egalitarianism, or it can be fear of lawsuits &#8211; since the time I was in school, many school districts have been successfully sued for having &#8220;too many&#8221; black kids (or hispanic kids) in &#8220;speical education&#8221; or remedial classes.</p>
<p>How would your typical Finnish leftist answer? How about an Italian (where environmental factors may play a greater role)?</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/09/who-believes-in-i-q/#comment-46216</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 00:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;IMHO, there are too many environmental factors that affect I.Q scores for me to interpret them as a measure of innate intelligence&lt;/i&gt;

Depends what you mean by &quot;innate&quot;. Definitely, they don&#039;t measure genetic potential, at least where the negative environmental factors have had a chance to operate. (Are there many positive environmental factors?) But do they measure someone&#039;s realized intelligence, as opposed to their education or some other factor? From what I&#039;ve read, with a number of caveats, the answer is &quot;mostly yes&quot;. Caveats - there&#039;s some random element in any single test; a person&#039;s motivation or level of immediate environmental stress at the time of the test may cause variation (again, mostly downward); some tests are badly designed; most tests won&#039;t capture every possible way someone&#039;s cognitive abilities can be expressed. But those are generally minor considerations when the test results are used intelligently.

They&#039;re not entirely minor all the time - Murray and Herrnstein noted that American blacks tended to have somewhat higher incomes (on average) than they would be predicted to have based on their IQ results, possibly by as much as 5 IQ points.  One can argue if this is due to cultural bias in the tests greater than that in American society at large, or if there is some characteristic at which blacks are (on average) better than whites which isn&#039;t measured by IQ tests, but that the market values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>IMHO, there are too many environmental factors that affect I.Q scores for me to interpret them as a measure of innate intelligence</i></p>
<p>Depends what you mean by &#8220;innate&#8221;. Definitely, they don&#8217;t measure genetic potential, at least where the negative environmental factors have had a chance to operate. (Are there many positive environmental factors?) But do they measure someone&#8217;s realized intelligence, as opposed to their education or some other factor? From what I&#8217;ve read, with a number of caveats, the answer is &#8220;mostly yes&#8221;. Caveats &#8211; there&#8217;s some random element in any single test; a person&#8217;s motivation or level of immediate environmental stress at the time of the test may cause variation (again, mostly downward); some tests are badly designed; most tests won&#8217;t capture every possible way someone&#8217;s cognitive abilities can be expressed. But those are generally minor considerations when the test results are used intelligently.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re not entirely minor all the time &#8211; Murray and Herrnstein noted that American blacks tended to have somewhat higher incomes (on average) than they would be predicted to have based on their IQ results, possibly by as much as 5 IQ points.  One can argue if this is due to cultural bias in the tests greater than that in American society at large, or if there is some characteristic at which blacks are (on average) better than whites which isn&#8217;t measured by IQ tests, but that the market values.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/09/who-believes-in-i-q/#comment-46215</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 00:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;My impression is that kind of discussion is rare in Europe but, when it occurs, the european left-wingers tend to overwhelming support the “environmental theory of intelligence”.&lt;/i&gt;

perhaps. this tends to be true of east asians. but it is not true of my readers. the left-wing readers from europe regularly argue that i have a misperception of left attitudes toward heredity because of my american background. i still remain skeptical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>My impression is that kind of discussion is rare in Europe but, when it occurs, the european left-wingers tend to overwhelming support the “environmental theory of intelligence”.</i></p>
<p>perhaps. this tends to be true of east asians. but it is not true of my readers. the left-wing readers from europe regularly argue that i have a misperception of left attitudes toward heredity because of my american background. i still remain skeptical.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 23:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Potential intellect varies across populations but environmental factors can influence the realization of this potential. That&#039;s how I see it.

&lt;b&gt;Razib:&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;The reality is that attitudes toward intelligence and I.Q. are rather flexible and situation dependent. People who deny the reality of I.Q. don’t believe that someone who has a low I.Q. should be executed (and conversely, those who accept I.Q. may still demand the execution of those with low enough I.Q.’s to be classified as mentally retarded!). I.Q. is just a social construct for some when it comes to the black-white difference, but they become more open to it when it is shown that conservatives have lower I.Q.’s.&lt;/i&gt;

True, I remember watching the comments section on Reddit explode into a heated debate over this exact study. Many liberals were all too happy to take this evidence as fact. Others were more cautious, warning that I.Q more accurately measures cognitive levels than anything immutable. I thought the article was a masterwork troll at first, or that the researchers conducted it partially out of jest.

IMHO, there are too many environmental factors that affect I.Q scores for me to interpret them as a measure of innate intelligence. It seems like nearly every month there is a new study coming out citing something new that must be taken  into consideration that’s negatively impacting I.Q (most recent ones I can think of being &lt;a href=&quot;http://naturalsociety.com/harvard-study-published-federal-govt-journal-confirms-fluoride-lowers-iq/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Fluoride &lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.livescience.com/22711-smoking-marijuana-lowers-iq.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Smoking weed during childhood&lt;/a&gt; )

Of course, this isn’t to say that all groups will produce the same amount of cognitively gifted individuals. I mean, even with every possible “bonus” you can give with corrections, certain groups would likely still only be in the high 70s low 80s right? Certain groups with lower I.Q (Indians, Vietnamese, Filipinos etc.) do however, reach similar or even &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2012/06/2012-sdt-asian-americans-0181.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; higher &lt;/a&gt; levels of educational attainment and economic success compared to those with high I.Q  in similar environments. Before anyone says that these groups are not representative of the general population, I’d like to point out that according to Flynn’s book: &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=H1lC6Dff8y8C&amp;printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&amp;q=filipino&amp;f=false&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Asian Americans: Achievement Beyond IQ &lt;/a&gt;
, initial Filipino immigrants actually scored slightly lower than those in the Philippines. Maybe the US isn’t a good representative of India, but more likely the UK is(?). Indians outperform the general population there and I’m willing to bet their I.Q scores have risen too.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Potential intellect varies across populations but environmental factors can influence the realization of this potential. That&#8217;s how I see it.</p>
<p><b>Razib:</b><br />
<i>The reality is that attitudes toward intelligence and I.Q. are rather flexible and situation dependent. People who deny the reality of I.Q. don’t believe that someone who has a low I.Q. should be executed (and conversely, those who accept I.Q. may still demand the execution of those with low enough I.Q.’s to be classified as mentally retarded!). I.Q. is just a social construct for some when it comes to the black-white difference, but they become more open to it when it is shown that conservatives have lower I.Q.’s.</i></p>
<p>True, I remember watching the comments section on Reddit explode into a heated debate over this exact study. Many liberals were all too happy to take this evidence as fact. Others were more cautious, warning that I.Q more accurately measures cognitive levels than anything immutable. I thought the article was a masterwork troll at first, or that the researchers conducted it partially out of jest.</p>
<p>IMHO, there are too many environmental factors that affect I.Q scores for me to interpret them as a measure of innate intelligence. It seems like nearly every month there is a new study coming out citing something new that must be taken  into consideration that’s negatively impacting I.Q (most recent ones I can think of being <a href="http://naturalsociety.com/harvard-study-published-federal-govt-journal-confirms-fluoride-lowers-iq/" rel="nofollow"> Fluoride </a> and <a href="http://www.livescience.com/22711-smoking-marijuana-lowers-iq.html" rel="nofollow">Smoking weed during childhood</a> )</p>
<p>Of course, this isn’t to say that all groups will produce the same amount of cognitively gifted individuals. I mean, even with every possible “bonus” you can give with corrections, certain groups would likely still only be in the high 70s low 80s right? Certain groups with lower I.Q (Indians, Vietnamese, Filipinos etc.) do however, reach similar or even <a href="http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2012/06/2012-sdt-asian-americans-0181.png" rel="nofollow"> higher </a> levels of educational attainment and economic success compared to those with high I.Q  in similar environments. Before anyone says that these groups are not representative of the general population, I’d like to point out that according to Flynn’s book: <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=H1lC6Dff8y8C&amp;printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&amp;q=filipino&amp;f=false" rel="nofollow"> Asian Americans: Achievement Beyond IQ </a><br />
, initial Filipino immigrants actually scored slightly lower than those in the Philippines. Maybe the US isn’t a good representative of India, but more likely the UK is(?). Indians outperform the general population there and I’m willing to bet their I.Q scores have risen too.</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel Madeira</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/09/who-believes-in-i-q/#comment-46213</link>
		<dc:creator>Miguel Madeira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 23:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;25 - I suspect that if blacks actually did have an intelligence distribution about equal to that of whites, that liberals would be much more willing to discuss innate differences in intelligence, and support things like tracking in schools.&quot;

A possible test to that theory could be to see if european left-wingers (where there is not - or it was not until very recently - a racial subtext in discussions about equality/unequality)  are less prone than american &quot;liberals&quot; to deny the value and/or the &quot;geneticity&quot; of IQ.

My impression is that kind of discussion is rare in Europe but, when it occurs, the european left-wingers tend to overwhelming support the &quot;environmental theory of intelligence&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;25 &#8211; I suspect that if blacks actually did have an intelligence distribution about equal to that of whites, that liberals would be much more willing to discuss innate differences in intelligence, and support things like tracking in schools.&#8221;</p>
<p>A possible test to that theory could be to see if european left-wingers (where there is not &#8211; or it was not until very recently &#8211; a racial subtext in discussions about equality/unequality)  are less prone than american &#8220;liberals&#8221; to deny the value and/or the &#8220;geneticity&#8221; of IQ.</p>
<p>My impression is that kind of discussion is rare in Europe but, when it occurs, the european left-wingers tend to overwhelming support the &#8220;environmental theory of intelligence&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: statsquatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>statsquatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 22:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl Zimmerman,

I would not bet your house on the IQ motivation connection.  You have to look at Angela Duckworth&#039;s work closely.  I personally think she is a hack but you can decide for yourself.  See

https://menghusblog.wordpress.com/2012/07/04/angela-l-duckworths-iq-motivation-study-another-bad-apple/

to start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl Zimmerman,</p>
<p>I would not bet your house on the IQ motivation connection.  You have to look at Angela Duckworth&#8217;s work closely.  I personally think she is a hack but you can decide for yourself.  See</p>
<p><a href="https://menghusblog.wordpress.com/2012/07/04/angela-l-duckworths-iq-motivation-study-another-bad-apple/" rel="nofollow">https://menghusblog.wordpress.com/2012/07/04/angela-l-duckworths-iq-motivation-study-another-bad-apple/</a></p>
<p>to start.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 20:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a big part of the left&#039;s unwillingness to deal with IQ (and intelligence) differences stems from their fundamental *inegalitarianism*. If you are talking to a white liberal only about white people, they will often express views which equate intelligence with merit or moral desert. Many liberals in poorly-paying positions which require college degrees believe that the higher salaries of less-educated businesspeople are fundamentally unfair, because the liberals are smarter than the businesspeople (this also explains why liberals don&#039;t complain about salaries in Silicon Valley so much - those people *are* obviously smarter than the typical liberal arts grad). I&#039;ve been much more likely to hear sentiments like &quot;stupid people shouldn&#039;t be allowed to vote/reproduce/etc.&quot; from liberals than from conservatives.

It&#039;s only the American liberal&#039;s prior commitment to racial equality which causes liberals to have conniptions about IQ. The mere hint of the idea that blacks may, on average, be less intelligent than whites is the vilest crimethink, because the logical conclusion of that idea, for the liberal, is that blacks are therefore not deserving of equality.

I suspect that if blacks actually did have an intelligence distribution about equal to that of whites, that liberals would be much more willing to discuss innate differences in intelligence, and support things like tracking in schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a big part of the left&#8217;s unwillingness to deal with IQ (and intelligence) differences stems from their fundamental *inegalitarianism*. If you are talking to a white liberal only about white people, they will often express views which equate intelligence with merit or moral desert. Many liberals in poorly-paying positions which require college degrees believe that the higher salaries of less-educated businesspeople are fundamentally unfair, because the liberals are smarter than the businesspeople (this also explains why liberals don&#8217;t complain about salaries in Silicon Valley so much &#8211; those people *are* obviously smarter than the typical liberal arts grad). I&#8217;ve been much more likely to hear sentiments like &#8220;stupid people shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to vote/reproduce/etc.&#8221; from liberals than from conservatives.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s only the American liberal&#8217;s prior commitment to racial equality which causes liberals to have conniptions about IQ. The mere hint of the idea that blacks may, on average, be less intelligent than whites is the vilest crimethink, because the logical conclusion of that idea, for the liberal, is that blacks are therefore not deserving of equality.</p>
<p>I suspect that if blacks actually did have an intelligence distribution about equal to that of whites, that liberals would be much more willing to discuss innate differences in intelligence, and support things like tracking in schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 19:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t have to be either/or, but thank you for the kind suggestion ;) Neuroscience research on the default mode network seems to point to mindfulness meditation as being the key to enhancing self awareness and increasing presence of mind, thereby decreasing neuroses and enhancing cognitive processing. The problem most &quot;intelligent&quot; people experience is one of projecting themselves into the future or the past. This type of rumination leads to stage fright, increased anxiety, depression, OCD, and decreased attention span. This all seems to relate to faulty performance of the default mode network. Increased connectivity of the DMN is enhanced in people who meditate, and after only eight weeks, structural and blood flow changes occur in the limbic center of the brain related to autonomic control, emotional stability, and enhanced cognitive and sensorimotor processing. The reason for this is that meditation allows an individual to focus on tbe present moment; if all you are focused on is the breath or the sensation of the breeze on your skin, then it is impossible to project yourself forward into the future. For evidence of the efficacy of meditation, search PubMed for: default mode network meditation.

Everyone is neurotic and self conscious to a certain extent--I&#039;m not immune. And it is human nature to want to surround yourself with people who think and feel the same way as you. But my point is that when that energy is channeled outward to separate us vs them, we tend to miss out on the 99% of the population who have a great deal to offer other than their stellar IQ scores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t have to be either/or, but thank you for the kind suggestion <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Neuroscience research on the default mode network seems to point to mindfulness meditation as being the key to enhancing self awareness and increasing presence of mind, thereby decreasing neuroses and enhancing cognitive processing. The problem most &#8220;intelligent&#8221; people experience is one of projecting themselves into the future or the past. This type of rumination leads to stage fright, increased anxiety, depression, OCD, and decreased attention span. This all seems to relate to faulty performance of the default mode network. Increased connectivity of the DMN is enhanced in people who meditate, and after only eight weeks, structural and blood flow changes occur in the limbic center of the brain related to autonomic control, emotional stability, and enhanced cognitive and sensorimotor processing. The reason for this is that meditation allows an individual to focus on tbe present moment; if all you are focused on is the breath or the sensation of the breeze on your skin, then it is impossible to project yourself forward into the future. For evidence of the efficacy of meditation, search PubMed for: default mode network meditation.</p>
<p>Everyone is neurotic and self conscious to a certain extent&#8211;I&#8217;m not immune. And it is human nature to want to surround yourself with people who think and feel the same way as you. But my point is that when that energy is channeled outward to separate us vs them, we tend to miss out on the 99% of the population who have a great deal to offer other than their stellar IQ scores.</p>
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		<title>By: pconroy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/09/who-believes-in-i-q/#comment-46209</link>
		<dc:creator>pconroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 19:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO, some factors that should be taken into account when measuring IQ in kids and teens are:
1. Sex of child
2. Rate of physical development
3. Race

From my own experience (yes anecdotal evidence?!) kids who reach maturity early tend to reach their peak Intelligence early too. So you may have a kid who is in the top 5% at 12 yo, and by 16 yo is in only in the top 50%. I&#039;ve known many people like this.

I think girls experience this as after a certain point - say 16 yo - they don&#039;t get any better at doing Math (for instance), yet boys on average improve till 18 yo.

I know I was average or above average height till about 10 yo, then was very sick till about 13 yo, and was one of the shortest in my class in High school on entering. I was a Top 10% student, but as of about 16/17 yo I started to both grow tall and find Math increasing easy, and by college was getting easy A&#039;s in Math - by then I was 6&#039; 1&quot;. Yet my sister was an A student all the way in High school, yet dropped to a lower Math test (Pass/Fail) by end of High school.

This effect could be magnified in a female who is Black and matures early.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO, some factors that should be taken into account when measuring IQ in kids and teens are:<br />
1. Sex of child<br />
2. Rate of physical development<br />
3. Race</p>
<p>From my own experience (yes anecdotal evidence?!) kids who reach maturity early tend to reach their peak Intelligence early too. So you may have a kid who is in the top 5% at 12 yo, and by 16 yo is in only in the top 50%. I&#8217;ve known many people like this.</p>
<p>I think girls experience this as after a certain point &#8211; say 16 yo &#8211; they don&#8217;t get any better at doing Math (for instance), yet boys on average improve till 18 yo.</p>
<p>I know I was average or above average height till about 10 yo, then was very sick till about 13 yo, and was one of the shortest in my class in High school on entering. I was a Top 10% student, but as of about 16/17 yo I started to both grow tall and find Math increasing easy, and by college was getting easy A&#8217;s in Math &#8211; by then I was 6&#8242; 1&#8243;. Yet my sister was an A student all the way in High school, yet dropped to a lower Math test (Pass/Fail) by end of High school.</p>
<p>This effect could be magnified in a female who is Black and matures early.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/09/who-believes-in-i-q/#comment-46208</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 19:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; I would much rather be “stupid” and blissful &lt;/i&gt;

there are many ways to lower your intelligence a great deal chemically which are probably painless, and will mostly leave other functions intact :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> I would much rather be “stupid” and blissful </i></p>
<p>there are many ways to lower your intelligence a great deal chemically which are probably painless, and will mostly leave other functions intact <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/09/who-believes-in-i-q/#comment-46207</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 18:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IQ does not measure one&#039;s intrinsic intellectual drive to explore the world. Without such curiosity, the world would stagnate, and nothing would drive scientific inquiry.

The elitist comments coming from the author seem to show little more than his desire to express what a gifted person he is as compared to the rest of society; the same is true for many of the people who posted comments here. Arrogance is typically reflective of underlying unhappiness and the need to overcompensate for self-perceived inadequacies. I would much rather be &quot;stupid&quot; and blissful than a neurotic rocket scientist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IQ does not measure one&#8217;s intrinsic intellectual drive to explore the world. Without such curiosity, the world would stagnate, and nothing would drive scientific inquiry.</p>
<p>The elitist comments coming from the author seem to show little more than his desire to express what a gifted person he is as compared to the rest of society; the same is true for many of the people who posted comments here. Arrogance is typically reflective of underlying unhappiness and the need to overcompensate for self-perceived inadequacies. I would much rather be &#8220;stupid&#8221; and blissful than a neurotic rocket scientist.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris_T_T</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/09/who-believes-in-i-q/#comment-46206</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris_T_T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 18:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>18 - It&#039;s actually been well known among psychologists that IQ tests are not particularly accurate for children and scores can change significantly between early childhood and adolescence. Razib has previously discussed how heritability measures are significantly higher in adults and children:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/01/when-genes-matter-for-intelligence/

Unfortunately, the American education system has never realized this and gifted programs are pretty screwed up because of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>18 &#8211; It&#8217;s actually been well known among psychologists that IQ tests are not particularly accurate for children and scores can change significantly between early childhood and adolescence. Razib has previously discussed how heritability measures are significantly higher in adults and children:</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/01/when-genes-matter-for-intelligence/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/01/when-genes-matter-for-intelligence/</a></p>
<p>Unfortunately, the American education system has never realized this and gifted programs are pretty screwed up because of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/09/who-believes-in-i-q/#comment-46205</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 18:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Huffington post article is something else. The comments are quite enjoyable, as well. I just don&#039;t see how &lt;i&gt; the readers and the author of the article &lt;/i&gt; don&#039;t see their own blatant double standard. &quot;Intelligence study links lower and higher IQs to racial populations.&quot; Something tells me that article wouldn&#039;t find a home at HuffPo.

Or maybe I&#039;m just being unfair, and these folks would be more than willing to accept the studies on IQ, race, and gender; or, on the other hand, perhaps they&#039;d also be willing to express more skepticism toward the IQ/conservatism study once they discovered the larger debates about g . . .

Or perhaps not.

This comment was particularly telling: &quot;I always thought conservatives seemed less able to deal with facts that conflicted with their childhood programming; this study seems to say why. Put these 2 studies together, and you have a picture of people with lower IQs who adopt conservative philosophies and have smaller ability to understand the complexities of our world. Interesting, yes? &lt;b&gt;A different breed of human? Feels like it to me.&lt;/b&gt;&quot;

I would bet, say, fifty dollars that this commenter has written many an essay about evil whites that have &quot;Othered&quot; the world&#039;s indigenous populations with pseudo-scientific racialism, or that this commentator would at least nod rapturously in agreement to such an essay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Huffington post article is something else. The comments are quite enjoyable, as well. I just don&#8217;t see how <i> the readers and the author of the article </i> don&#8217;t see their own blatant double standard. &#8220;Intelligence study links lower and higher IQs to racial populations.&#8221; Something tells me that article wouldn&#8217;t find a home at HuffPo.</p>
<p>Or maybe I&#8217;m just being unfair, and these folks would be more than willing to accept the studies on IQ, race, and gender; or, on the other hand, perhaps they&#8217;d also be willing to express more skepticism toward the IQ/conservatism study once they discovered the larger debates about g . . .</p>
<p>Or perhaps not.</p>
<p>This comment was particularly telling: &#8220;I always thought conservatives seemed less able to deal with facts that conflicted with their childhood programming; this study seems to say why. Put these 2 studies together, and you have a picture of people with lower IQs who adopt conservative philosophies and have smaller ability to understand the complexities of our world. Interesting, yes? <b>A different breed of human? Feels like it to me.</b>&#8221;</p>
<p>I would bet, say, fifty dollars that this commenter has written many an essay about evil whites that have &#8220;Othered&#8221; the world&#8217;s indigenous populations with pseudo-scientific racialism, or that this commentator would at least nod rapturously in agreement to such an essay.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Zimmerman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/09/who-believes-in-i-q/#comment-46204</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Zimmerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 17:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>8 -

The linked article makes it clear if you give M&amp;Ms to dumb children, it boosts their score.  I think this shows pretty conclusively that IQ doesn&#039;t equal &lt;I&gt;g&lt;/I&gt;, even if IQ does come pretty close to approximating the ability that your intelligence gives you to succeed in life.

I do wonder, however, if this is part of the reason why some kids score very high when children, but as adults are only slightly above average.  Their IQ develops early because they have an unusually high desire to please adults at a point where most kids are still too distracted by life to properly concentrate on an IQ test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>8 -</p>
<p>The linked article makes it clear if you give M&amp;Ms to dumb children, it boosts their score.  I think this shows pretty conclusively that IQ doesn&#8217;t equal <i>g</i>, even if IQ does come pretty close to approximating the ability that your intelligence gives you to succeed in life.</p>
<p>I do wonder, however, if this is part of the reason why some kids score very high when children, but as adults are only slightly above average.  Their IQ develops early because they have an unusually high desire to please adults at a point where most kids are still too distracted by life to properly concentrate on an IQ test.</p>
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		<title>By: biologist</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/09/who-believes-in-i-q/#comment-46203</link>
		<dc:creator>biologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 17:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#14 -- Not necessarily. You can get the same outcome with a model of additive effects, especially if the modifying alleles are rare. Also, the length of human chromosomes in centiMorgans is short enough that sampling effects are strong. But a very interesting question that probably hasn&#039;t seen a final answer. :)

#16 -- Absolutely right. The average difference in IQ between siblings is 12 points on a scale with a mean of 100 and a SD of 15. That 12 point difference is more than half of the average difference between randomly paired strangers -- 18 points. This either implies that IQs differences come about due to an enormous amount of chance in development, or there&#039;s a substantial genetic effect. The correlation between genomic relatedness and IQ shows that it&#039;s the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#14 &#8212; Not necessarily. You can get the same outcome with a model of additive effects, especially if the modifying alleles are rare. Also, the length of human chromosomes in centiMorgans is short enough that sampling effects are strong. But a very interesting question that probably hasn&#8217;t seen a final answer. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>#16 &#8212; Absolutely right. The average difference in IQ between siblings is 12 points on a scale with a mean of 100 and a SD of 15. That 12 point difference is more than half of the average difference between randomly paired strangers &#8212; 18 points. This either implies that IQs differences come about due to an enormous amount of chance in development, or there&#8217;s a substantial genetic effect. The correlation between genomic relatedness and IQ shows that it&#8217;s the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/09/who-believes-in-i-q/#comment-46202</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 16:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw, high heritability in height does not preclude inter-sibling variable. so we need to be cautious about mapping population statistics to within family correlation. they&#039;re correlated, but not always of especially close magnitude. my only point is that knowing about genetic dispositions makes differences between siblings more understandable. families might be more closely related, but there is still variation, and it is often more salient because you interact with these people lot (though even more striking in bio vs. adopted siblings).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, high heritability in height does not preclude inter-sibling variable. so we need to be cautious about mapping population statistics to within family correlation. they&#8217;re correlated, but not always of especially close magnitude. my only point is that knowing about genetic dispositions makes differences between siblings more understandable. families might be more closely related, but there is still variation, and it is often more salient because you interact with these people lot (though even more striking in bio vs. adopted siblings).</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/09/who-believes-in-i-q/#comment-46201</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 16:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#14, perhaps. but there&#039;s variation in relatedness (std +/- 3%) due to segregation and mutational load. probably stochastic developmental things in utero and after. though except in the first case classic heritability does not apply.

(note: the &#039;least related&#039; of my siblings according to 23andme is also the phenotypic outlier)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#14, perhaps. but there&#8217;s variation in relatedness (std +/- 3%) due to segregation and mutational load. probably stochastic developmental things in utero and after. though except in the first case classic heritability does not apply.</p>
<p>(note: the &#8216;least related&#8217; of my siblings according to 23andme is also the phenotypic outlier)</p>
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