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	<title>Comments on: Yes, a young boy was forced from school for carrying cystic fibrosis alleles</title>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#26 and 28.  Thanks for the explanation.   I learned a lot.  My guess is that &quot;being watched&quot; is a euphmism for &quot;he has had every test under the sun performed, including analysis of pathogens (if possible) and is probably a case study in a medical journal somewhere.&quot;    It is implied that the 2 children with CF do not carry Bcc organisms.  What a waste of time if everyone concerned is Bcc negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#26 and 28.  Thanks for the explanation.   I learned a lot.  My guess is that &#8220;being watched&#8221; is a euphmism for &#8220;he has had every test under the sun performed, including analysis of pathogens (if possible) and is probably a case study in a medical journal somewhere.&#8221;    It is implied that the 2 children with CF do not carry Bcc organisms.  What a waste of time if everyone concerned is Bcc negative.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnV</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 20:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@27 Thanks Razib, glad I could contribute. 

@28 See all the neat things I miss being a bacteriologist!  Thanks a lot DM.  Next proposal I submit will have a better introduction, that&#039;s for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@27 Thanks Razib, glad I could contribute. </p>
<p>@28 See all the neat things I miss being a bacteriologist!  Thanks a lot DM.  Next proposal I submit will have a better introduction, that&#8217;s for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Dm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#26 &lt;I&gt;I was completely unaware that there were CF alleles that someone can be homozygous for, or heterozygous with 2 different mutant alleles, that result in some CF symptoms but normal lung function&lt;/I&gt;

It&#039;s actually relatively well known - but of course completely irrelevant for the specific field of lung infection etiology / treatment studies - that milder CTFR alleles cause pancreatic issues almost inevitably, but lungs may remain healthy.  There was a case study of twins one of whom developed pancreas and severe lung problems, while the other one has pancreatic problems but no &lt;I&gt;Pseudomonas&lt;/I&gt; infection and no need for antibacterial regimen (as far as I recall they weren&#039;t id twins, because the discussion dwelled on non-CTFR trans acting genetic factors)

&quot;Leaky&quot; splice mutations are especially fickle, with expression of full-length mRNA species varying from patient to patient and from tissue to tissue. In CTFR, partially penetrant splice mutations involve both canonic splice site consensi (for example poly-pyrimidine repeat length variants in the weak-ish splice acceptor of exon 9) and extraneous splice junctions (like a well-studied SNP which creates an alternative junction in the middle of an intron, many kb&#039;s away from the exons; it results in a partial inclusion of a spurious exon, and therefore the functional mRNA level goes down). I think the rule of thumb is that until one loses 75% of &quot;correct&quot; mRNA species in the lung epithelium, the lungs stay healthy; and only after 90%+ mRNA is lost, then the lung disease becomes inevitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#26 <i>I was completely unaware that there were CF alleles that someone can be homozygous for, or heterozygous with 2 different mutant alleles, that result in some CF symptoms but normal lung function</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually relatively well known &#8211; but of course completely irrelevant for the specific field of lung infection etiology / treatment studies &#8211; that milder CTFR alleles cause pancreatic issues almost inevitably, but lungs may remain healthy.  There was a case study of twins one of whom developed pancreas and severe lung problems, while the other one has pancreatic problems but no <i>Pseudomonas</i> infection and no need for antibacterial regimen (as far as I recall they weren&#8217;t id twins, because the discussion dwelled on non-CTFR trans acting genetic factors)</p>
<p>&#8220;Leaky&#8221; splice mutations are especially fickle, with expression of full-length mRNA species varying from patient to patient and from tissue to tissue. In CTFR, partially penetrant splice mutations involve both canonic splice site consensi (for example poly-pyrimidine repeat length variants in the weak-ish splice acceptor of exon 9) and extraneous splice junctions (like a well-studied SNP which creates an alternative junction in the middle of an intron, many kb&#8217;s away from the exons; it results in a partial inclusion of a spurious exon, and therefore the functional mRNA level goes down). I think the rule of thumb is that until one loses 75% of &#8220;correct&#8221; mRNA species in the lung epithelium, the lungs stay healthy; and only after 90%+ mRNA is lost, then the lung disease becomes inevitable.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#26, thanks. you know your shit, and it shows. appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#26, thanks. you know your shit, and it shows. appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnV</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m late to the game and apologize for that but to sort of recap the pertinent issues/questions (some of which have been previously mentioned here):

The medical basis for the concern is that transmission of infections between CF patients is a real thing and results in segregation of Burkholderia cepacia complex (primarily B. cenocepacia and B. multivorans, but there are others) positive and negative individuals.   Colonization with Bcc organisms frequently, but not always, marks the worsening of conditions and can lead to rapid death.  Bcc infections are a relative recent phenomenon.  In the 1970s CF patients didn&#039;t get them, in part because they died from their P. aeruginosa infections earlier in life.  While P. aeruginosa infections of CF patients are not typically spread patient to patient (although epidemic strains are turning up now), Bcc infections are spread from patient to patient.  (There&#039;s a lot of evolution/microbiology to explain this, I&#039;ll spare you all :P)
  
With that in mind, if a school does not feel they can appropriately segregate students with CF they run the risk of infection transmission.  This appears to be the case for this school.

HOWEVER, the various stories I&#039;ve read about this have not made clear what the new student&#039;s genetic condition is.  The parents have said that various tests have indicated that he has normal lung function, which I would think simplifies the issue because people with normal lung function don&#039;t get Bcc (or P. aeruginosa) lung colonization.  

Until this morning, I was completely unaware that there were CF alleles that someone can be homozygous for, or heterozygous with 2 different mutant alleles, that result in some CF symptoms but normal lung function.  I say this as a researcher of CF pathogenic bacteria, so it&#039;s not the most common knowledge and I can easily see the school district not knowing this.

So the student either has some set of CF alleles that leave him with normal lung function, or he&#039;s heterozygous carrier like ~5% of the European descended population.  If he&#039;s simply a carrier I cannot imagine his parents filling out a health form and noting that fact, but its possible I suppose.   

Either way, if he has normal lung function then I don&#039;t see a need for segregation.  Presumably to be safe they&#039;d want to verify periodically that there hasn&#039;t been an onset of lung dysfunction, but I assume that is part of medical treatment for someone with CF in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m late to the game and apologize for that but to sort of recap the pertinent issues/questions (some of which have been previously mentioned here):</p>
<p>The medical basis for the concern is that transmission of infections between CF patients is a real thing and results in segregation of Burkholderia cepacia complex (primarily B. cenocepacia and B. multivorans, but there are others) positive and negative individuals.   Colonization with Bcc organisms frequently, but not always, marks the worsening of conditions and can lead to rapid death.  Bcc infections are a relative recent phenomenon.  In the 1970s CF patients didn&#8217;t get them, in part because they died from their P. aeruginosa infections earlier in life.  While P. aeruginosa infections of CF patients are not typically spread patient to patient (although epidemic strains are turning up now), Bcc infections are spread from patient to patient.  (There&#8217;s a lot of evolution/microbiology to explain this, I&#8217;ll spare you all <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>With that in mind, if a school does not feel they can appropriately segregate students with CF they run the risk of infection transmission.  This appears to be the case for this school.</p>
<p>HOWEVER, the various stories I&#8217;ve read about this have not made clear what the new student&#8217;s genetic condition is.  The parents have said that various tests have indicated that he has normal lung function, which I would think simplifies the issue because people with normal lung function don&#8217;t get Bcc (or P. aeruginosa) lung colonization.  </p>
<p>Until this morning, I was completely unaware that there were CF alleles that someone can be homozygous for, or heterozygous with 2 different mutant alleles, that result in some CF symptoms but normal lung function.  I say this as a researcher of CF pathogenic bacteria, so it&#8217;s not the most common knowledge and I can easily see the school district not knowing this.</p>
<p>So the student either has some set of CF alleles that leave him with normal lung function, or he&#8217;s heterozygous carrier like ~5% of the European descended population.  If he&#8217;s simply a carrier I cannot imagine his parents filling out a health form and noting that fact, but its possible I suppose.   </p>
<p>Either way, if he has normal lung function then I don&#8217;t see a need for segregation.  Presumably to be safe they&#8217;d want to verify periodically that there hasn&#8217;t been an onset of lung dysfunction, but I assume that is part of medical treatment for someone with CF in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Dm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW - just spotted the first (and so far the only one) &lt;a HREF=&#039;http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/22-10-2012/122528-cystic_fibrosis_mayak_radio_station-0/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;English-language media mention of a CF blowout&lt;/A&gt; in Russia, where a popular radio show about &quot;made-up and dubious medical conditions&quot; poked obscene fun at CF children. Among other things, the radio hosts noted that no celebs ever suffered from CF, so the disease must be a total fake.

But another tidbit worth noting is the headline of the piece, about Terminally Ill Children. CF is essentially written off as an incurable terminal childhood disease there, and virtually no CF chidren survive into even early adulthood (Late Katia Kostromina, a local CF community organizer hero, had a rare distinction of living till 20)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW &#8211; just spotted the first (and so far the only one) <a HREF='http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/22-10-2012/122528-cystic_fibrosis_mayak_radio_station-0/' rel="nofollow">English-language media mention of a CF blowout</a> in Russia, where a popular radio show about &#8220;made-up and dubious medical conditions&#8221; poked obscene fun at CF children. Among other things, the radio hosts noted that no celebs ever suffered from CF, so the disease must be a total fake.</p>
<p>But another tidbit worth noting is the headline of the piece, about Terminally Ill Children. CF is essentially written off as an incurable terminal childhood disease there, and virtually no CF chidren survive into even early adulthood (Late Katia Kostromina, a local CF community organizer hero, had a rare distinction of living till 20)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Ó Duḃṫaiġ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Ó Duḃṫaiġ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@16 -- I&#039;ve always wonder if the high level of CF in Ireland is due to the massive TB epidemic which existed in Ireland until the late 1940&#039;s/early 1950&#039;s. About 6-7% of all yearly deaths during the 1940&#039;s were from TB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@16 &#8212; I&#8217;ve always wonder if the high level of CF in Ireland is due to the massive TB epidemic which existed in Ireland until the late 1940&#8242;s/early 1950&#8242;s. About 6-7% of all yearly deaths during the 1940&#8242;s were from TB.</p>
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		<title>By: Paula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2012 16:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@22, I think the other outlets may be insufficiently informed. the SF Chronicle article is more nuanced, and seems to indicate the boy is biallelic but asymptomatic. http://www.sfgate.com/health/article/Boy-in-school-flap-over-cystic-fibrosis-3944802.php

nowhere have I been able to find a reference to exactly what and how many mutations he has. I did find one that notes his parents have not released that information. http://theweek.com/article/index/235143/the-boy-kicked-out-of-school-for-carrying-a-cystic-fibrosis-gene

the SF Chronicle story says, &quot;In the evolving field of cystic fibrosis diagnosis and treatment, there is debate about which variations mean someone has the disease versus being a carrier only.
Because of Colman&#039;s rare genetic combination, his parents and doctors have closely monitored him to make sure he doesn&#039;t have the disease.
His physician has documented that he doesn&#039;t, and he never had a clinical diagnosis of the disease, his parents said.&quot;

why would they continue monitoring if he only has one copy? why would the parents not be trumpeting, &quot;heterozygous, no problem&quot; ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@22, I think the other outlets may be insufficiently informed. the SF Chronicle article is more nuanced, and seems to indicate the boy is biallelic but asymptomatic. <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/health/article/Boy-in-school-flap-over-cystic-fibrosis-3944802.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfgate.com/health/article/Boy-in-school-flap-over-cystic-fibrosis-3944802.php</a></p>
<p>nowhere have I been able to find a reference to exactly what and how many mutations he has. I did find one that notes his parents have not released that information. <a href="http://theweek.com/article/index/235143/the-boy-kicked-out-of-school-for-carrying-a-cystic-fibrosis-gene" rel="nofollow">http://theweek.com/article/index/235143/the-boy-kicked-out-of-school-for-carrying-a-cystic-fibrosis-gene</a></p>
<p>the SF Chronicle story says, &#8220;In the evolving field of cystic fibrosis diagnosis and treatment, there is debate about which variations mean someone has the disease versus being a carrier only.<br />
Because of Colman&#8217;s rare genetic combination, his parents and doctors have closely monitored him to make sure he doesn&#8217;t have the disease.<br />
His physician has documented that he doesn&#8217;t, and he never had a clinical diagnosis of the disease, his parents said.&#8221;</p>
<p>why would they continue monitoring if he only has one copy? why would the parents not be trumpeting, &#8220;heterozygous, no problem&#8221; ?</p>
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		<title>By: Michele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 21:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He is being referred to in other sources as a &#039;carrier&#039; with a single CF-causing mutation, not two.  If that is the case, this is the most egregious case of hysterical discrimination since the Ryan White debacle.  It seems more likely, though, that somewhere some of the facts are getting mangled in this story. 

Just for reference, the CF carrier rate is 1 in 25 to 30 people.  That means there are millions of carriers walking around and we certainly don&#039;t hear of this frightening increased risk of infection impacting literally millions of Americans each year.  It seems that the relative risk is being significantly exaggerated.  If such a risk truly threatened affected individuals, wouldn&#039;t it be especially unsafe for them to live in homes with two CF carriers, i.e. their parents, where they are sharing food, facilities and air?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is being referred to in other sources as a &#8216;carrier&#8217; with a single CF-causing mutation, not two.  If that is the case, this is the most egregious case of hysterical discrimination since the Ryan White debacle.  It seems more likely, though, that somewhere some of the facts are getting mangled in this story. </p>
<p>Just for reference, the CF carrier rate is 1 in 25 to 30 people.  That means there are millions of carriers walking around and we certainly don&#8217;t hear of this frightening increased risk of infection impacting literally millions of Americans each year.  It seems that the relative risk is being significantly exaggerated.  If such a risk truly threatened affected individuals, wouldn&#8217;t it be especially unsafe for them to live in homes with two CF carriers, i.e. their parents, where they are sharing food, facilities and air?</p>
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		<title>By: John Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 13:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18, #20
That&#039;s not correct. Besides his brother there are to other siblings with CF at the school, who are at risk of infection. Nothing is mentioned about his sibling&#039;s genetic makeup, so we can probably infer that he doesn&#039;t have the same set of mutations, since he wasn&#039;t asked to leave the school. 

From the article: &quot;A few weeks into the school year at Jordan Middle School, school officials took note of Colman&#039;s medical history, information that eventually was shared with another Jordan parent whose two children have classic cystic fibrosis and are predisposed to chronic lung infections.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18, #20<br />
That&#8217;s not correct. Besides his brother there are to other siblings with CF at the school, who are at risk of infection. Nothing is mentioned about his sibling&#8217;s genetic makeup, so we can probably infer that he doesn&#8217;t have the same set of mutations, since he wasn&#8217;t asked to leave the school. </p>
<p>From the article: &#8220;A few weeks into the school year at Jordan Middle School, school officials took note of Colman&#8217;s medical history, information that eventually was shared with another Jordan parent whose two children have classic cystic fibrosis and are predisposed to chronic lung infections.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 02:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got it by &lt;em&gt;reading&lt;/em&gt; the article Razib linked to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got it by <em>reading</em> the article Razib linked to.</p>
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		<title>By: Dm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18 where did you get this tidbit? There is a quazillion news stories but most of them just repeat the same stuff. Some speculate that the boy is a monoallelic carrier, and others that he&#039;s a biallelic, but I don&#039;t think anyone knows for a fact.

Another interesting twist is that the school may have claimed that they are transfering this child to protect &lt;B&gt;him&lt;/B&gt; rather than those other students with CF, citing a 2003 paper which claimed that asymptomatic CF carriers are also at risk for picking the bacterial infection from CF patients?

But then, as some readers comment, if a school must protect asymptomatics, then it should administer a compulsory genetic test to all students attending the same school as a CF patient!

Others claim that the school must have violated HIPAA, but it sounds far fetched. It appears that the public disclosure came from the parents, as they geared to fight the school transfer, rather than from the school itself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18 where did you get this tidbit? There is a quazillion news stories but most of them just repeat the same stuff. Some speculate that the boy is a monoallelic carrier, and others that he&#8217;s a biallelic, but I don&#8217;t think anyone knows for a fact.</p>
<p>Another interesting twist is that the school may have claimed that they are transfering this child to protect <b>him</b> rather than those other students with CF, citing a 2003 paper which claimed that asymptomatic CF carriers are also at risk for picking the bacterial infection from CF patients?</p>
<p>But then, as some readers comment, if a school must protect asymptomatics, then it should administer a compulsory genetic test to all students attending the same school as a CF patient!</p>
<p>Others claim that the school must have violated HIPAA, but it sounds far fetched. It appears that the public disclosure came from the parents, as they geared to fight the school transfer, rather than from the school itself?</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 20:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@5,14: The reason that the school already has more than one CF student is that they are siblings, so there&#039;s no point separating them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@5,14: The reason that the school already has more than one CF student is that they are siblings, so there&#8217;s no point separating them.</p>
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		<title>By: gcochran</title>
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		<dc:creator>gcochran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 19:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Especially since cholera  first arrived in Ireland  back when the world was young, in 1832.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Especially since cholera  first arrived in Ireland  back when the world was young, in 1832.</p>
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		<title>By: Mell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 18:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul (#12)

Being a carrier of the CF allele (one copy), give the carrier some degree of genetic protection from cholera. So you find higher incidences where the historically, endemic cholera rates were high; ie Ireland.</description>
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<p>Being a carrier of the CF allele (one copy), give the carrier some degree of genetic protection from cholera. So you find higher incidences where the historically, endemic cholera rates were high; ie Ireland.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#14, &lt;i&gt;You really gotta be more careful with disclosure of the genetic makeup of the minors who can’t consent!&lt;/i&gt;

genes are different (because you can&#039;t change them with current tech). but parents make minors do all sorts of crazy shit.</description>
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<p>genes are different (because you can&#8217;t change them with current tech). but parents make minors do all sorts of crazy shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Dm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 14:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The district isn&#039;t completely in the wrong, but most likely in a vulnerable legal position. It appears that the district has a formal policy of not enrolling a second CF child in a school where one is already enrolled. But it is unclear how it applies to children who are already enrolled (they already got two!), or to biallelics with hypomorphic alleles / alleles of uncertain penetrance (my understanding is that this kid &lt;B&gt;is a biallelic&lt;/B&gt;, but only one of the alleles is a known high-risk mutation, but all sources are vague on this important detail)

If GINA applied, then it would have been illegal to discriminate on the basis of genetic makeup, but this isn&#039;t a workplace.

What I also find fascinating is that the parents chose to disclose genetic info of their child, apparently w/o any overriding reason to do so.  And they have guts to call their line of reasoning &quot;&lt;I&gt;an overabundance of caution&lt;/I&gt;&quot;! Some caution, yeah right .... You really gotta be more careful with disclosure of the genetic makeup of the minors who can&#039;t consent!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The district isn&#8217;t completely in the wrong, but most likely in a vulnerable legal position. It appears that the district has a formal policy of not enrolling a second CF child in a school where one is already enrolled. But it is unclear how it applies to children who are already enrolled (they already got two!), or to biallelics with hypomorphic alleles / alleles of uncertain penetrance (my understanding is that this kid <b>is a biallelic</b>, but only one of the alleles is a known high-risk mutation, but all sources are vague on this important detail)</p>
<p>If GINA applied, then it would have been illegal to discriminate on the basis of genetic makeup, but this isn&#8217;t a workplace.</p>
<p>What I also find fascinating is that the parents chose to disclose genetic info of their child, apparently w/o any overriding reason to do so.  And they have guts to call their line of reasoning &#8220;<i>an overabundance of caution</i>&#8220;! Some caution, yeah right &#8230;. You really gotta be more careful with disclosure of the genetic makeup of the minors who can&#8217;t consent!</p>
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		<title>By: Eurologist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eurologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 11:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Educators are pressed between a rock and a hard place.  For many situations like this, there are no precedences to rely upon.   Unfortunately, too often, school lawyers win out in initial decisions - because the science is too remote and not widely available and understandable, and the schools need to protect themselves from law suites (in the notoriously  litigious US).   I am sure this will get sorted out, eventually, but what is lacking is the process:  in case there is a question, how can the decision-making process be performed and accelerated such that the student in question does not suffer from an undue burden?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Educators are pressed between a rock and a hard place.  For many situations like this, there are no precedences to rely upon.   Unfortunately, too often, school lawyers win out in initial decisions &#8211; because the science is too remote and not widely available and understandable, and the schools need to protect themselves from law suites (in the notoriously  litigious US).   I am sure this will get sorted out, eventually, but what is lacking is the process:  in case there is a question, how can the decision-making process be performed and accelerated such that the student in question does not suffer from an undue burden?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Ó Duḃṫaiġ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Ó Duḃṫaiġ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 10:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting we have the highest rate of CF in the world here in Ireland.  So I can&#039;t see the educrats here trying to implement a similar policy

In total about 1 in 19 of the population (5.26%) of population are carriers of relevant alleles.  Looking at some stats I see the prevalance of CF in newborns in Ireland is: 1 in every 1,461 live births. By comparison the overall European average is 1 in every 3,500 live births.

Northern Ireland = 1 in every 1,850 live births
England = 1 in every 2,500 live births

-Paul</description>
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<p>In total about 1 in 19 of the population (5.26%) of population are carriers of relevant alleles.  Looking at some stats I see the prevalance of CF in newborns in Ireland is: 1 in every 1,461 live births. By comparison the overall European average is 1 in every 3,500 live births.</p>
<p>Northern Ireland = 1 in every 1,850 live births<br />
England = 1 in every 2,500 live births</p>
<p>-Paul</p>
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		<title>By: gcochran</title>
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		<dc:creator>gcochran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 09:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You got it.  At this point, we&#039;re likely talking about a CF-adapted strain of B. cepacia. Antibiotic resistant, of course.  There was some sort of get-together of CF patients back in the 1980s that had bad consequences.  And since then, I think, others.  B. cepacia seems to speed up the lung decline generally seen in CF patients.

If this kid has B. cepacia, he is not unsymptomatic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You got it.  At this point, we&#8217;re likely talking about a CF-adapted strain of B. cepacia. Antibiotic resistant, of course.  There was some sort of get-together of CF patients back in the 1980s that had bad consequences.  And since then, I think, others.  B. cepacia seems to speed up the lung decline generally seen in CF patients.</p>
<p>If this kid has B. cepacia, he is not unsymptomatic.</p>
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