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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/open-thread-11-15-2012/#comment-48473</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another disclosure issue: should the existence of coincidental genetic siblings far away be disclosed? http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/04/accidental-siblings/

Two couples suffering from fertility problems went to the same center, and chose the same egg donor and same sperm donor for IVF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another disclosure issue: should the existence of coincidental genetic siblings far away be disclosed? <a href="http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/04/accidental-siblings/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/04/accidental-siblings/</a></p>
<p>Two couples suffering from fertility problems went to the same center, and chose the same egg donor and same sperm donor for IVF.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandgroper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/open-thread-11-15-2012/#comment-48472</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandgroper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that would be one of the few things more terrifying than the trainee nurse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that would be one of the few things more terrifying than the trainee nurse.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Möhling</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/open-thread-11-15-2012/#comment-48471</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Möhling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandgroper, if they &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill_Crocodile&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;crank up&lt;/a&gt; the temperature of the warm air dryer, hair removal should be no problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandgroper, if they <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill_Crocodile" rel="nofollow">crank up</a> the temperature of the warm air dryer, hair removal should be no problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandgroper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/open-thread-11-15-2012/#comment-48470</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandgroper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MM, can you get one that washes, dries and does hair removal at the same time? I&#039;m thinking prep for bowel surgery.

There are few things more terrifying than a young trainee nurse blinking myopically at you through her beer-bottle glasses as she advances on you awkwardly brandishing a razor and saying &quot;I need to shave you...down there. I have never done this before.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MM, can you get one that washes, dries and does hair removal at the same time? I&#8217;m thinking prep for bowel surgery.</p>
<p>There are few things more terrifying than a young trainee nurse blinking myopically at you through her beer-bottle glasses as she advances on you awkwardly brandishing a razor and saying &#8220;I need to shave you&#8230;down there. I have never done this before.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: M. Möhling</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/open-thread-11-15-2012/#comment-48469</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Möhling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 00:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Anthony, they &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tradekr.com/cbuy_2209613_japanese-washing-toilet-bidet.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blow your horn&lt;/a&gt;. Sorry, couldn&#039;t resist, but technically Razib didn&#039;t deliver yet, so there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Anthony, they <a href="http://www.tradekr.com/cbuy_2209613_japanese-washing-toilet-bidet.htm" rel="nofollow">blow your horn</a>. Sorry, couldn&#8217;t resist, but technically Razib didn&#8217;t deliver yet, so there.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/open-thread-11-15-2012/#comment-48468</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 23:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never used a bidet or Japanese toilet, but I wonder about drying up afterwards. I find I have to be careful about drying up various nether regions after showering to avoid fungal infections; is that handled somehow by the modern Japanese toilet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never used a bidet or Japanese toilet, but I wonder about drying up afterwards. I find I have to be careful about drying up various nether regions after showering to avoid fungal infections; is that handled somehow by the modern Japanese toilet?</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/open-thread-11-15-2012/#comment-48467</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 23:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>History of Europe post-Rome: &quot;The Inheritance of Rome&quot; by Chris Wickham. http://www.amazon.com/The-Inheritance-Rome-Illuminating-400-1000/dp/B003JTHRH8/ - currenty cheaper in hardback than kindle.
Also &quot;War and Peace and War&quot; by Peter Turchin, particularly chapters 7, 8, and 9. http://www.amazon.com/War-Peace-Rise-Fall-Empires/dp/0452288193/
To fail even harder on the &quot;short&quot; part, Ferdinand Braudel&#039;s &quot;Civilization and Capitalism&quot; trilogy, and the &quot;Identity of France&quot; pair if your particular interest is France.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>History of Europe post-Rome: &#8220;The Inheritance of Rome&#8221; by Chris Wickham. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/The-Inheritance-Rome-Illuminating-400-1000/dp/B003JTHRH8/" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/The-Inheritance-Rome-Illuminating-400-1000/dp/B003JTHRH8/</a> &#8211; currenty cheaper in hardback than kindle.<br />
Also &#8220;War and Peace and War&#8221; by Peter Turchin, particularly chapters 7, 8, and 9. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/War-Peace-Rise-Fall-Empires/dp/0452288193/" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/War-Peace-Rise-Fall-Empires/dp/0452288193/</a><br />
To fail even harder on the &#8220;short&#8221; part, Ferdinand Braudel&#8217;s &#8220;Civilization and Capitalism&#8221; trilogy, and the &#8220;Identity of France&#8221; pair if your particular interest is France.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter Sobchak</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/open-thread-11-15-2012/#comment-48466</link>
		<dc:creator>Walter Sobchak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 22:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Razib: Thank you. the second Heather book is on the shelf waiting its turn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Razib: Thank you. the second Heather book is on the shelf waiting its turn.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/open-thread-11-15-2012/#comment-48465</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 21:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#36, i&#039;m not a retard. a wealthy massachusetts mormon is probably not the best way to cut into the &#039;white ethnic&#039; vote of the mid-atlantic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#36, i&#8217;m not a retard. a wealthy massachusetts mormon is probably not the best way to cut into the &#8216;white ethnic&#8217; vote of the mid-atlantic.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/open-thread-11-15-2012/#comment-48464</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 20:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#42, let me think. don&#039;t recall now.

&lt;i&gt;All of that made me curious about what genetics could teach us about the permanent human impact of the invasions. E.G. do the places where the Germanic tribes settled in France, Spain, and Italy show a genetic impact of those settlements?&lt;/i&gt;

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/07/identity-by-descent-the-volkerwanderung/

also, read heather&#039;s follow up book on the barbarian invasions. adrian goldsworthy&#039;s book on the fall of rome might be a nice complement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#42, let me think. don&#8217;t recall now.</p>
<p><i>All of that made me curious about what genetics could teach us about the permanent human impact of the invasions. E.G. do the places where the Germanic tribes settled in France, Spain, and Italy show a genetic impact of those settlements?</i></p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/07/identity-by-descent-the-volkerwanderung/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/07/identity-by-descent-the-volkerwanderung/</a></p>
<p>also, read heather&#8217;s follow up book on the barbarian invasions. adrian goldsworthy&#8217;s book on the fall of rome might be a nice complement.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Möhling</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/open-thread-11-15-2012/#comment-48463</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Möhling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 20:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Razib, you once pointed me to a website making a well-reasoned argument on why gay marriage would threaten traditional marriage. I lost some notes and couldn&#039;t find your comment anymore after discovermagazine.com got overhauled some years ago--you wrote about lost posts and comments afterwards. A search for &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ablogs.discovermagazine.com+%2Bm%C3%B6hling+%2Brazib+%2Bmarriage&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Möhling+razib+marriage&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ablogs.discovermagazine.com+%2Bm%C3%B6hling+%2Brazib+%2Bgay&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Möhling+razib+gay&lt;/a&gt; should turn up your answer but doesn&#039;t. Sandgroper asked the same &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/09/gene-expression-brave-new-world-survey/#comment-161798&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; but was overlooked. Should you still now that website I promise to never crack jokes about toilets again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Razib, you once pointed me to a website making a well-reasoned argument on why gay marriage would threaten traditional marriage. I lost some notes and couldn&#8217;t find your comment anymore after discovermagazine.com got overhauled some years ago&#8211;you wrote about lost posts and comments afterwards. A search for <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ablogs.discovermagazine.com+%2Bm%C3%B6hling+%2Brazib+%2Bmarriage" rel="nofollow">Möhling+razib+marriage</a> or <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ablogs.discovermagazine.com+%2Bm%C3%B6hling+%2Brazib+%2Bgay" rel="nofollow">Möhling+razib+gay</a> should turn up your answer but doesn&#8217;t. Sandgroper asked the same <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/09/gene-expression-brave-new-world-survey/#comment-161798" rel="nofollow">here</a> but was overlooked. Should you still now that website I promise to never crack jokes about toilets again.</p>
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		<title>By: Spike Gomes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/open-thread-11-15-2012/#comment-48462</link>
		<dc:creator>Spike Gomes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 20:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walter:
It&#039;s pretty much known and agreed upon by scholars of the subject. It was linked strongly with the physical institutions of monasticism, and when those were disturbed/weakened by warfare or infighting, it cut off the head. Hinduism evolved to meet many of the appeals of Buddhism, which cut off the grass roots. By the time Islam came through it was already completely hollowed out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter:<br />
It&#8217;s pretty much known and agreed upon by scholars of the subject. It was linked strongly with the physical institutions of monasticism, and when those were disturbed/weakened by warfare or infighting, it cut off the head. Hinduism evolved to meet many of the appeals of Buddhism, which cut off the grass roots. By the time Islam came through it was already completely hollowed out.</p>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/open-thread-11-15-2012/#comment-48461</link>
		<dc:creator>TGGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 20:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Submitting this from India. I&#039;ve never used a Japanese toilet, and declined to use the &quot;squat&quot; style during my visit here, but I did try pouring water on my backside. Could be doing it wrong, but it seemed horribly ineffective compared to paper.

I&#039;d been reading Tainter&#039;s &quot;Collapse of Complex Societies&quot; and often thought to myself that he could have benefited from reading &quot;Empires and Barbarians&quot;. How foolish of him to write his book decades before the latter came out.

My driver today was going on about hinduism and how the Buddha is also considered a god (as is Rama, one for obeying his father and the other for disobeying) by Hindus. So perhaps they don&#039;t regard it as &quot;displaced&quot;, although historically speaking I understand there were large Buddhist kingdoms in what is now India and the faith is now relatively marginal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Submitting this from India. I&#8217;ve never used a Japanese toilet, and declined to use the &#8220;squat&#8221; style during my visit here, but I did try pouring water on my backside. Could be doing it wrong, but it seemed horribly ineffective compared to paper.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d been reading Tainter&#8217;s &#8220;Collapse of Complex Societies&#8221; and often thought to myself that he could have benefited from reading &#8220;Empires and Barbarians&#8221;. How foolish of him to write his book decades before the latter came out.</p>
<p>My driver today was going on about hinduism and how the Buddha is also considered a god (as is Rama, one for obeying his father and the other for disobeying) by Hindus. So perhaps they don&#8217;t regard it as &#8220;displaced&#8221;, although historically speaking I understand there were large Buddhist kingdoms in what is now India and the faith is now relatively marginal.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter Sobchak</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/open-thread-11-15-2012/#comment-48460</link>
		<dc:creator>Walter Sobchak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Razib: I had just finished reading &quot;The Fall of the Roman Empire&quot; by Peter Heather and &quot;The Fall of Rome&quot; by Bryan Ward-Perkins both of which emphasize the agency of the Germanic invasions of the 5th century in destroying the Roman State in Western Europe. 

I highly recommend both books. War-Perkins is shorter and more focused on the consequences of the Fall for material life in Western Europe.  The Heather book is a terrific work of synthesis that combines cultural and political history with a strategic view of the roles of both the Western and Eastern Empires and of the Barbarians.

All of that made me curious about what genetics could teach us about the permanent human impact of the invasions. E.G. do the places where the Germanic tribes settled in France, Spain, and Italy show a genetic impact of those settlements?

I would appreciate any references to your posts or other things a non-scientist might find accessible and informative on this subject.

While surfing your blog to see what I could learn, I read: &quot;Historical Dynamics &amp; contingent conditions of religion&quot;. It really impressed me. 

I had read Stark, and thought that his theory did more to explain the spread of Christianity in the Roman Empire than any thing else had read. Robin Lane Fox had written a couple of books on the subject that,  IIRC, focused on ideology/theology not on the creation of concrete social networks. Gibbon, incidentally, had stressed the &quot;social services&quot; provided by Christians in that time. Stark&#039;s social picture of Imperial Society fits very well with Heather&#039;s (who emphasizes the assimilation of local elites to Roman culture) even though Heather does not cite Stark (Disciplinary silos, I suspect).

When reading and thinking about the Roman Empire in the religious context, I think it is important to keep in mind that paganism was not an entity, but a label for hundreds of cults practiced in hundreds of places throughout the empire. What Julian proved is that it is very hard to displace something with nothing.

Also, regarding Hinduism and Buddhism in the Subcontinent, has anybody ventured a plausible explanation of why Buddhism was displaced from the place where it was born?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Razib: I had just finished reading &#8220;The Fall of the Roman Empire&#8221; by Peter Heather and &#8220;The Fall of Rome&#8221; by Bryan Ward-Perkins both of which emphasize the agency of the Germanic invasions of the 5th century in destroying the Roman State in Western Europe. </p>
<p>I highly recommend both books. War-Perkins is shorter and more focused on the consequences of the Fall for material life in Western Europe.  The Heather book is a terrific work of synthesis that combines cultural and political history with a strategic view of the roles of both the Western and Eastern Empires and of the Barbarians.</p>
<p>All of that made me curious about what genetics could teach us about the permanent human impact of the invasions. E.G. do the places where the Germanic tribes settled in France, Spain, and Italy show a genetic impact of those settlements?</p>
<p>I would appreciate any references to your posts or other things a non-scientist might find accessible and informative on this subject.</p>
<p>While surfing your blog to see what I could learn, I read: &#8220;Historical Dynamics &amp; contingent conditions of religion&#8221;. It really impressed me. </p>
<p>I had read Stark, and thought that his theory did more to explain the spread of Christianity in the Roman Empire than any thing else had read. Robin Lane Fox had written a couple of books on the subject that,  IIRC, focused on ideology/theology not on the creation of concrete social networks. Gibbon, incidentally, had stressed the &#8220;social services&#8221; provided by Christians in that time. Stark&#8217;s social picture of Imperial Society fits very well with Heather&#8217;s (who emphasizes the assimilation of local elites to Roman culture) even though Heather does not cite Stark (Disciplinary silos, I suspect).</p>
<p>When reading and thinking about the Roman Empire in the religious context, I think it is important to keep in mind that paganism was not an entity, but a label for hundreds of cults practiced in hundreds of places throughout the empire. What Julian proved is that it is very hard to displace something with nothing.</p>
<p>Also, regarding Hinduism and Buddhism in the Subcontinent, has anybody ventured a plausible explanation of why Buddhism was displaced from the place where it was born?</p>
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		<title>By: Careless</title>
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		<dc:creator>Careless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 18:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Razib: it&#039;s on both Android devices I have (a 2.3 HTC phone and a tablet on ICS) that the site recognizes as Android (the Kindle Fire isn&#039;t recognized by this or most other sites as being Android or mobile, which is convenient)

Oh, and it&#039;s also impossible to read past the first page, because when you click on the &quot;older post&quot; link it brings up a second page that has the Discovery Blogs header, but no posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Razib: it&#8217;s on both Android devices I have (a 2.3 HTC phone and a tablet on ICS) that the site recognizes as Android (the Kindle Fire isn&#8217;t recognized by this or most other sites as being Android or mobile, which is convenient)</p>
<p>Oh, and it&#8217;s also impossible to read past the first page, because when you click on the &#8220;older post&#8221; link it brings up a second page that has the Discovery Blogs header, but no posts.</p>
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		<title>By: diana</title>
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		<dc:creator>diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My cry....the obesity epidemic is bothering me big time. It didn&#039;t used to, but since I lost 20 pounds, it does. This morning I saw on that nice TV show hosted by Charles Osgood, for nice middle-class people (apologies to non-Americans), a whole show about foodies and foodie-ism. I wonder whether the latter day obsession with food isn&#039;t related to the obesity epidemic.

Razib: you recommended a book about the Comanches by a Finn. Have you read T.E. Fehrenbach&#039;s &quot;The Comanches: History of a People&quot;? If so, is reading the Finn&#039;s book worthwhile? Fehrenbach&#039;s was a great book, very enlightening about Texas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My cry&#8230;.the obesity epidemic is bothering me big time. It didn&#8217;t used to, but since I lost 20 pounds, it does. This morning I saw on that nice TV show hosted by Charles Osgood, for nice middle-class people (apologies to non-Americans), a whole show about foodies and foodie-ism. I wonder whether the latter day obsession with food isn&#8217;t related to the obesity epidemic.</p>
<p>Razib: you recommended a book about the Comanches by a Finn. Have you read T.E. Fehrenbach&#8217;s &#8220;The Comanches: History of a People&#8221;? If so, is reading the Finn&#8217;s book worthwhile? Fehrenbach&#8217;s was a great book, very enlightening about Texas.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 14:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#30

What about a Northeastern candidate with a Midwestern running mate - would that change the electoral calculus too?</description>
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<p>What about a Northeastern candidate with a Midwestern running mate &#8211; would that change the electoral calculus too?</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/open-thread-11-15-2012/#comment-48456</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 08:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>short: http://www.amazon.com/Europe-after-Rome-Cultural-500-1000/dp/0192892630/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1353226500&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=europe+after+rome</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>short: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Europe-after-Rome-Cultural-500-1000/dp/0192892630/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1353226500&#038;sr=1-1&#038;keywords=europe+after+rome" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Europe-after-Rome-Cultural-500-1000/dp/0192892630/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1353226500&#038;sr=1-1&#038;keywords=europe+after+rome</a></p>
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		<title>By: Antonio Pedro</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/open-thread-11-15-2012/#comment-48455</link>
		<dc:creator>Antonio Pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;short + end of roman empire on seems to be problematic as an intersection.&quot; agree. what I have tried to ment is some historical overview of western european people (and later their nations). I mentioned since roman empire because I am particular interested in post-roman migrations and settlements and how they are related to modern people and states.  I am looking for something mostly descriptive and rather basic and general. I am going for vacation in France and I thought I could use sometime to developed a better frame of the broad features of the european history. Sometime when I am reading something more specific stuff I just think I am missing a bunch. But maybe it is too much a book. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;short + end of roman empire on seems to be problematic as an intersection.&#8221; agree. what I have tried to ment is some historical overview of western european people (and later their nations). I mentioned since roman empire because I am particular interested in post-roman migrations and settlements and how they are related to modern people and states.  I am looking for something mostly descriptive and rather basic and general. I am going for vacation in France and I thought I could use sometime to developed a better frame of the broad features of the european history. Sometime when I am reading something more specific stuff I just think I am missing a bunch. But maybe it is too much a book. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/open-thread-11-15-2012/#comment-48454</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 06:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;ll pass the comment on. i have no control over that. though you might post your specs (e.g., iphone, android, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ll pass the comment on. i have no control over that. though you might post your specs (e.g., iphone, android, etc.)</p>
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