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		<title>By: Darkseid</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/religion-determines-politics-for-asian-americans/#comment-48421</link>
		<dc:creator>Darkseid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 05:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, this is their leader ;)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALphNDobVbo
and this is one of the funnier ones going around:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uKiJdDkQ70  neither of them are b-boys tho.  there are a lot of asian b-boy dance crews that do the competitions and stuff.  the &quot;asian b-boy crewz&quot; tend to be a passive version of black cliques IMO, where they go through all the actions and buy the fast Hondas to race but don&#039;t shoot each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, this is their leader <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALphNDobVbo" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALphNDobVbo</a><br />
and this is one of the funnier ones going around:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uKiJdDkQ70" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uKiJdDkQ70</a>  neither of them are b-boys tho.  there are a lot of asian b-boy dance crews that do the competitions and stuff.  the &#8220;asian b-boy crewz&#8221; tend to be a passive version of black cliques IMO, where they go through all the actions and buy the fast Hondas to race but don&#8217;t shoot each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sailer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/religion-determines-politics-for-asian-americans/#comment-48420</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Sailer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 04:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spike says:

&quot;In Hawaii and parts of the West Coast, there’s a sort of unified “lower middle-class” pan-Asian America (at least East and SE Asian American) urban youth culture forming. It’s partially informed by black culture, particularly the music and clothes, but quite unique in it’s own way, with it’s souped up and customized cars and motorcycles, illegal road racing, tech bling, pan-Asian random pastiche aesthetic and b-boy dance-offs. I have far too many cousins who are into that lifestyle.&quot;

Very interesting. I&#039;ve gotten a few glimpses of this myself in Torrance, CA. I&#039;d like to hear more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spike says:</p>
<p>&#8220;In Hawaii and parts of the West Coast, there’s a sort of unified “lower middle-class” pan-Asian America (at least East and SE Asian American) urban youth culture forming. It’s partially informed by black culture, particularly the music and clothes, but quite unique in it’s own way, with it’s souped up and customized cars and motorcycles, illegal road racing, tech bling, pan-Asian random pastiche aesthetic and b-boy dance-offs. I have far too many cousins who are into that lifestyle.&#8221;</p>
<p>Very interesting. I&#8217;ve gotten a few glimpses of this myself in Torrance, CA. I&#8217;d like to hear more.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/religion-determines-politics-for-asian-americans/#comment-48419</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 00:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So to look at the other side of the question at #11, who are the non-Asian-American Hindus?

The differences in political leanings between &quot;all Hindus&quot; and &quot;Asian-American Hindus&quot; implies that there are at least some. Or is the survey(s?) just that noisy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So to look at the other side of the question at #11, who are the non-Asian-American Hindus?</p>
<p>The differences in political leanings between &#8220;all Hindus&#8221; and &#8220;Asian-American Hindus&#8221; implies that there are at least some. Or is the survey(s?) just that noisy?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sailer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Sailer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 01:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Republicans ran a Mormon and a Catholic this time (i.e., no Protestants on the GOP national ticket for the first time ever), and they went extremely light on the Jesus talk in favor of the tax talk.

Romney and Ryan&#039;s share of the Jewish vote went up considerably, in both the Edison and Reuters-Ipsos exit polls. 

I suspect the Edison exit poll showing of a huge falloff since 2008 in Asians voting Republican was partly real, partly just an error due to small sample size. Unfortunately, the Reuters poll doesn&#039;t break out Asians separately, but there are catch-all &quot;Other Minorities&quot; bin doesn&#039;t jibe with a huge fall in Asians voting Republicans. Down some, but not a collapse like in the more publicized Edison exit poll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Republicans ran a Mormon and a Catholic this time (i.e., no Protestants on the GOP national ticket for the first time ever), and they went extremely light on the Jesus talk in favor of the tax talk.</p>
<p>Romney and Ryan&#8217;s share of the Jewish vote went up considerably, in both the Edison and Reuters-Ipsos exit polls. </p>
<p>I suspect the Edison exit poll showing of a huge falloff since 2008 in Asians voting Republican was partly real, partly just an error due to small sample size. Unfortunately, the Reuters poll doesn&#8217;t break out Asians separately, but there are catch-all &#8220;Other Minorities&#8221; bin doesn&#8217;t jibe with a huge fall in Asians voting Republicans. Down some, but not a collapse like in the more publicized Edison exit poll.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/religion-determines-politics-for-asian-americans/#comment-48417</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#42, everyone paid up. please post stuff like that to the open thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#42, everyone paid up. please post stuff like that to the open thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Cal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t see a response post to the bets you made on your &quot;Skewing my winnings&quot; post. In particular, this one was very interesting:
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Daniel Gonzalez Buitrago Says: 
October 1st, 2012 at 9:54 am
I´d like to participate in your bet Razib. I´ll bet 40 USD on the following:
- The latest poll by Pew research before the election will overestimate Obama´s share of the national vote by at least 2%. (20 USD)
- The latest poll by “We ask america” in Wisconsin will overestimate Obama´s share of the vote by an amount greater than its margin of error. (20 USD)
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Daniel would&#039;ve lost very badly, he ended up choosing two polls that performed exceptionally well!

Last Pew poll:  Obama 50%, Romney 47%
Actual results: Obama 50.6%, Romney 47.8%
http://www.people-press.org/2012/11/04/obama-gains-edge-in-campaigns-final-days/

Last &quot;We ask america&quot; WI poll: Obama 51.5%,  Romney 44.8%  MOE 3%
Actual results in WI: Obama 52.8%, Romney 46.1%
Interestingly, this poll got the difference between the candidates exactly correct at 6.7%!
http://weaskamerica.com/2012/11/02/hot-off-the-presses-2/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t see a response post to the bets you made on your &#8220;Skewing my winnings&#8221; post. In particular, this one was very interesting:<br />
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Daniel Gonzalez Buitrago Says:<br />
October 1st, 2012 at 9:54 am<br />
I´d like to participate in your bet Razib. I´ll bet 40 USD on the following:<br />
- The latest poll by Pew research before the election will overestimate Obama´s share of the national vote by at least 2%. (20 USD)<br />
- The latest poll by “We ask america” in Wisconsin will overestimate Obama´s share of the vote by an amount greater than its margin of error. (20 USD)<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Daniel would&#8217;ve lost very badly, he ended up choosing two polls that performed exceptionally well!</p>
<p>Last Pew poll:  Obama 50%, Romney 47%<br />
Actual results: Obama 50.6%, Romney 47.8%<br />
<a href="http://www.people-press.org/2012/11/04/obama-gains-edge-in-campaigns-final-days/" rel="nofollow">http://www.people-press.org/2012/11/04/obama-gains-edge-in-campaigns-final-days/</a></p>
<p>Last &#8220;We ask america&#8221; WI poll: Obama 51.5%,  Romney 44.8%  MOE 3%<br />
Actual results in WI: Obama 52.8%, Romney 46.1%<br />
Interestingly, this poll got the difference between the candidates exactly correct at 6.7%!<br />
<a href="http://weaskamerica.com/2012/11/02/hot-off-the-presses-2/" rel="nofollow">http://weaskamerica.com/2012/11/02/hot-off-the-presses-2/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/religion-determines-politics-for-asian-americans/#comment-48415</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m not sure there’s enough of them (or any other group worth speaking of) to talk about a trend within America.&lt;/i&gt;

i&#039;m pretty sure they&#039;re converting in large numbers. churches brought them over, and i have known of a fair number of hmong. they&#039;re not 90% xtian, but large numbers did convert to protestant churches. 

&lt;i&gt;Perhaps Theravada Buddhism developed its comparably strong identity because it was working over a fairly regularized Hindu substrate, &lt;/i&gt;

no, it&#039;s highly animist. interestingly most of the thai groups (in which the shan are bracketed) actually were mahayana when they arrived. the mon and khmer converted them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m not sure there’s enough of them (or any other group worth speaking of) to talk about a trend within America.</i></p>
<p>i&#8217;m pretty sure they&#8217;re converting in large numbers. churches brought them over, and i have known of a fair number of hmong. they&#8217;re not 90% xtian, but large numbers did convert to protestant churches. </p>
<p><i>Perhaps Theravada Buddhism developed its comparably strong identity because it was working over a fairly regularized Hindu substrate, </i></p>
<p>no, it&#8217;s highly animist. interestingly most of the thai groups (in which the shan are bracketed) actually were mahayana when they arrived. the mon and khmer converted them.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Zimmerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Zimmerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Razib -

I was a bit perplexed by your original wording, because it seemed to imply that highland Southeast Asians converted to Christianity in disproportionate numbers when they come to the U.S.  AFAIK, the Hmong are the only highland group which has come to the U.S., and while some are Christian, I&#039;m not sure there&#039;s enough of them (or any other group worth speaking of) to talk about a trend within America.

As to Asia, absolutely.  Admittedly, I&#039;m more familiar with the Christianized groups in Northeast India (Nagas, Mizos), than those in Burma or elsewhere, but it seems the same general trends are evident.  

Perhaps Theravada Buddhism developed its comparably strong identity because it was working over a fairly regularized Hindu substrate, whereas in East Asia each of the philosophies and religions (Taoism, Shintoism, local interpretations of Buddhism, etc) was essentially a warmed-over patina on top of inconsistent animist theology?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Razib -</p>
<p>I was a bit perplexed by your original wording, because it seemed to imply that highland Southeast Asians converted to Christianity in disproportionate numbers when they come to the U.S.  AFAIK, the Hmong are the only highland group which has come to the U.S., and while some are Christian, I&#8217;m not sure there&#8217;s enough of them (or any other group worth speaking of) to talk about a trend within America.</p>
<p>As to Asia, absolutely.  Admittedly, I&#8217;m more familiar with the Christianized groups in Northeast India (Nagas, Mizos), than those in Burma or elsewhere, but it seems the same general trends are evident.  </p>
<p>Perhaps Theravada Buddhism developed its comparably strong identity because it was working over a fairly regularized Hindu substrate, whereas in East Asia each of the philosophies and religions (Taoism, Shintoism, local interpretations of Buddhism, etc) was essentially a warmed-over patina on top of inconsistent animist theology?</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/religion-determines-politics-for-asian-americans/#comment-48412</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#37, read the comments and links. ideology is a *weak* predictor (e.g., indian americans seem more skeptical of the democrat position gov., but vote most democratic). the best thing to do when adding a comment is not to add more crap to the stream that we&#039;re trying to filter out for nice tidbits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#37, read the comments and links. ideology is a *weak* predictor (e.g., indian americans seem more skeptical of the democrat position gov., but vote most democratic). the best thing to do when adding a comment is not to add more crap to the stream that we&#8217;re trying to filter out for nice tidbits.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say religion is &lt;i&gt;a&lt;/i&gt; determining factor for sure. Practicing Christians in general are prone to being more socially conservative and vote that way too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say religion is <i>a</i> determining factor for sure. Practicing Christians in general are prone to being more socially conservative and vote that way too.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/religion-determines-politics-for-asian-americans/#comment-48410</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that evangelicals overwhelmingly voted for a Mormon shows that political ideology was more important than religious ideology. There&#039;s no reason to think that this wouldn&#039;t extend to Asians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that evangelicals overwhelmingly voted for a Mormon shows that political ideology was more important than religious ideology. There&#8217;s no reason to think that this wouldn&#8217;t extend to Asians.</p>
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		<title>By: sandgroper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/religion-determines-politics-for-asian-americans/#comment-48409</link>
		<dc:creator>sandgroper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#22 - there are problems with recognition of Filipino degrees. If they can make it to somewhere like AIT in Bangkok to do a &#039;top up&#039; masters, then the engineering graduates can get the combined bachelors + masters recognised for professional qualification purposes. If not, they end up working as technicians.

Same with a lot of East European degrees. I knew a lot of Estonians, Latvians, Hungarians working as engineering lab technicians who would have been qualified engineers in their own countries. I even knew a German guy who was driving a road grader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#22 &#8211; there are problems with recognition of Filipino degrees. If they can make it to somewhere like AIT in Bangkok to do a &#8216;top up&#8217; masters, then the engineering graduates can get the combined bachelors + masters recognised for professional qualification purposes. If not, they end up working as technicians.</p>
<p>Same with a lot of East European degrees. I knew a lot of Estonians, Latvians, Hungarians working as engineering lab technicians who would have been qualified engineers in their own countries. I even knew a German guy who was driving a road grader.</p>
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		<title>By: SeekTruthFromFacts</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeekTruthFromFacts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11: Wouldn&#039;t Christians also be disproportionately likely to immigrate from East Asia to the US? I read a study by Yuan Yichuan* noting that Hmong students in SW China had disproportionate academic success (controlling for income and development exacerbated the anomaly). He attributed this to the fact that there are many Hmong Christians who are highly motivated by the possibility of joining the Hmong community in the US.

Yuan Yichuan, &#039;Attitude and Motivation for English Learning of Ethnic Minority Students in China&#039; (Shanghai Foreign Language Education Press 2007).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11: Wouldn&#8217;t Christians also be disproportionately likely to immigrate from East Asia to the US? I read a study by Yuan Yichuan* noting that Hmong students in SW China had disproportionate academic success (controlling for income and development exacerbated the anomaly). He attributed this to the fact that there are many Hmong Christians who are highly motivated by the possibility of joining the Hmong community in the US.</p>
<p>Yuan Yichuan, &#8216;Attitude and Motivation for English Learning of Ethnic Minority Students in China&#8217; (Shanghai Foreign Language Education Press 2007).</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/religion-determines-politics-for-asian-americans/#comment-48407</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 07:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#33, shan are staunch buddhists. i mean mostly hmong. but karen would be grouped into this. as you may know in mainland southeast asia there is a large distinction between lowlanders, who are part of a broader theravada buddhist civilization (except vietnam), and highlanders, who are not necessarily (some highlanders obviously are, e.g., the shan). many highland populations have adopted christianity as a way to prevent further assimilation into lowland buddhist culture, in the nations of origin themselves (e.g., montagnards).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#33, shan are staunch buddhists. i mean mostly hmong. but karen would be grouped into this. as you may know in mainland southeast asia there is a large distinction between lowlanders, who are part of a broader theravada buddhist civilization (except vietnam), and highlanders, who are not necessarily (some highlanders obviously are, e.g., the shan). many highland populations have adopted christianity as a way to prevent further assimilation into lowland buddhist culture, in the nations of origin themselves (e.g., montagnards).</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Zimmerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Zimmerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Razib -

What do you mean by &quot;Southeast Asian highlanders?&quot;  Hmong?  Shan?  Karen?</description>
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<p>What do you mean by &#8220;Southeast Asian highlanders?&#8221;  Hmong?  Shan?  Karen?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Razib said &quot;in contrast, hindu and sikh south asians are like jews. they may not be very pious in their practice or belief (surveys indicate they’re not), but they have a very strong ethno-religious identity&quot;

Yes, as a man you has fallen in love with his share of smoking hot north Indian sikh women, I can testify this is, alas, all too true.  :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Razib said &#8220;in contrast, hindu and sikh south asians are like jews. they may not be very pious in their practice or belief (surveys indicate they’re not), but they have a very strong ethno-religious identity&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, as a man you has fallen in love with his share of smoking hot north Indian sikh women, I can testify this is, alas, all too true.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in contrast, hindu and sikh south asians are like jews. they may not be very pious in their practice or belief (surveys indicate they&#039;re not), but they have a very strong ethno-religious identity. so they tend not to &#039;defect&#039; from that identity. a large number of xtian indians in the USA aren&#039;t ppl who&#039;ve converted, but ppl from indian xtian backgrounds, who are more likely to be migrants (e.g., from kerala).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in contrast, hindu and sikh south asians are like jews. they may not be very pious in their practice or belief (surveys indicate they&#8217;re not), but they have a very strong ethno-religious identity. so they tend not to &#8216;defect&#8217; from that identity. a large number of xtian indians in the USA aren&#8217;t ppl who&#8217;ve converted, but ppl from indian xtian backgrounds, who are more likely to be migrants (e.g., from kerala).</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#29, it fits in with the ethnography with how ppl convert to a religion actually. &#039;standard model.&#039; east asians (and southeast asian highlanders) have weak if any attachment to organized religions before they come to the USA. so naturally they become xtian to &#039;fit in.&#039; in contrast, in thailand they become theravada buddhist. the main chasm seems to be islam, where dietary and cultural changes are such that one loses han identity (and becomes hui) if one converts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#29, it fits in with the ethnography with how ppl convert to a religion actually. &#8216;standard model.&#8217; east asians (and southeast asian highlanders) have weak if any attachment to organized religions before they come to the USA. so naturally they become xtian to &#8216;fit in.&#8217; in contrast, in thailand they become theravada buddhist. the main chasm seems to be islam, where dietary and cultural changes are such that one loses han identity (and becomes hui) if one converts.</p>
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		<title>By: Yong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>27

No, I&#039;m sure I&#039;m biased. The more I thought about this topic yesterday, the more I realized that most of the Korean Americans I went to church with are still religious. So, I&#039;m probably a little atypical, and I wasn&#039;t looking outwardly enough when I posted before. I do recall a number of Koreans who became Christian after coming to America because they were integrating into an American community of Koreans who were churchgoers. And I recently read a NYTimes article about Chinese in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn who were becoming Christians and attending a Chinese American church. I think a lot of these immigrants become Christian to fit in with their compatriots, which is kind of strange if you think about it. They&#039;re not being converted, usually, by white Americans but people from their own communities. They&#039;re doing it to fit into a somewhat segregated ethnic enclave of Christians in America whose church services are usually in another language. But the group itself is doing it to be more American? I&#039;m not sure. </description>
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<p>No, I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m biased. The more I thought about this topic yesterday, the more I realized that most of the Korean Americans I went to church with are still religious. So, I&#8217;m probably a little atypical, and I wasn&#8217;t looking outwardly enough when I posted before. I do recall a number of Koreans who became Christian after coming to America because they were integrating into an American community of Koreans who were churchgoers. And I recently read a NYTimes article about Chinese in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn who were becoming Christians and attending a Chinese American church. I think a lot of these immigrants become Christian to fit in with their compatriots, which is kind of strange if you think about it. They&#8217;re not being converted, usually, by white Americans but people from their own communities. They&#8217;re doing it to fit into a somewhat segregated ethnic enclave of Christians in America whose church services are usually in another language. But the group itself is doing it to be more American? I&#8217;m not sure. </p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Presumably the high level of Christians in the Japanese-American community is result of conversion, as most Japanese-Americans are native born, and few Japanese are Christians. &lt;/i&gt;

considering how old this community is, what&#039;s surprising is the very low level of conversion to christianity! in any case, i think that yes, secularization is kicking in for 3rd and 4th generation japanese and chinese americans. they come from societies where institutional religion was weak in the first place, allowing them to become xtian to assimilate, but now that that&#039;s not necessary, they seem to be shedding it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Presumably the high level of Christians in the Japanese-American community is result of conversion, as most Japanese-Americans are native born, and few Japanese are Christians. </i></p>
<p>considering how old this community is, what&#8217;s surprising is the very low level of conversion to christianity! in any case, i think that yes, secularization is kicking in for 3rd and 4th generation japanese and chinese americans. they come from societies where institutional religion was weak in the first place, allowing them to become xtian to assimilate, but now that that&#8217;s not necessary, they seem to be shedding it.</p>
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