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		<title>By: marv</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/02/05/tis-the-season-of-climate-idiocy/#comment-13626</link>
		<dc:creator>marv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 06:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I going to have to explain localized effects of back to back La Nina&#039;s to you?  I&#039;ll leave it to William Gray.  Anyway I&#039;m sure if you show up in New York on March 8th, someone will help you ;)

	Anyway, some useful stuff here but no knowledge of the second law of thermodynamics ... so I must move on.

	Now I know who that modeler is.

	Happy Landscheidt Minimum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I going to have to explain localized effects of back to back La Nina&#8217;s to you?  I&#8217;ll leave it to William Gray.  Anyway I&#8217;m sure if you show up in New York on March 8th, someone will help you <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>	Anyway, some useful stuff here but no knowledge of the second law of thermodynamics &#8230; so I must move on.</p>
<p>	Now I know who that modeler is.</p>
<p>	Happy Landscheidt Minimum.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Treder</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/02/05/tis-the-season-of-climate-idiocy/#comment-13629</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Treder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 14:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a simple way to put it...

	&#039;Global warming&#039; means a general average increase in temperatures over the whole world, which has clearly been occurring for a century or more and accelerating in the last few decades. It&#039;s due largely to growing amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere, which provides a greenhouse effect, keeping more sunlight in and warming the earth.

	&#039;Climate change&#039; is a result of global warming: as average temps increase, weather patterns get messed up and funny things happen, like massive heat waves, droughts, rains, floods, hurricanes, and yes - even record cold spells and blizzards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a simple way to put it&#8230;</p>
<p>	&#8216;Global warming&#8217; means a general average increase in temperatures over the whole world, which has clearly been occurring for a century or more and accelerating in the last few decades. It&#8217;s due largely to growing amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere, which provides a greenhouse effect, keeping more sunlight in and warming the earth.</p>
<p>	&#8216;Climate change&#8217; is a result of global warming: as average temps increase, weather patterns get messed up and funny things happen, like massive heat waves, droughts, rains, floods, hurricanes, and yes &#8211; even record cold spells and blizzards.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Winsor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/02/05/tis-the-season-of-climate-idiocy/#comment-13628</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Winsor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TPL, Coby Beck&#039;s blog has a catalog of oft-recycled arguments that purport to refute climate science, including your argument:

	http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2008/07/how_to_talk_to_a_sceptic.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TPL, Coby Beck&#8217;s blog has a catalog of oft-recycled arguments that purport to refute climate science, including your argument:</p>
<p>	<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2008/07/how_to_talk_to_a_sceptic.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2008/07/how_to_talk_to_a_sceptic.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: TPL</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/02/05/tis-the-season-of-climate-idiocy/#comment-13627</link>
		<dc:creator>TPL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 01:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

	Can you read the link below, and explain why we should disregard his conclusions?

	http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/01/30/co2-temperatures-and-ice-ages/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>	Can you read the link below, and explain why we should disregard his conclusions?</p>
<p>	<a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/01/30/co2-temperatures-and-ice-ages/" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/01/30/co2-temperatures-and-ice-ages/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Karl Sniderman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/02/05/tis-the-season-of-climate-idiocy/#comment-13631</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Sniderman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 01:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son lives in Melbourne, Australia.
	Here are some excerpts from his recent letter.  He&#039;s talking about several days last week.

	it was really like living in a fan-forced oven; worst run of hot days on record, three days in a row above 44°C (which is about 111-112°F) with extremely low humidity around 10% or less

	Melbourne&#039;s water supply has been cycling down lower and lower each summer for the past 10 years

	southern Australia is turning into a semi-arid zone as the climate belts shift southward, and the formerly reliable, rain-bearing weather that southern Australia used to receive in autumn, winter and spring, has shifted south of the continent altogether (ominously, completely as predicted by global warming climate models). So, what was once a reasonable place to live, with dry summers but reliably moist for the rest of the year, is developing an increasingly uncertain future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son lives in Melbourne, Australia.<br />
	Here are some excerpts from his recent letter.  He&#8217;s talking about several days last week.</p>
<p>	it was really like living in a fan-forced oven; worst run of hot days on record, three days in a row above 44°C (which is about 111-112°F) with extremely low humidity around 10% or less</p>
<p>	Melbourne&#8217;s water supply has been cycling down lower and lower each summer for the past 10 years</p>
<p>	southern Australia is turning into a semi-arid zone as the climate belts shift southward, and the formerly reliable, rain-bearing weather that southern Australia used to receive in autumn, winter and spring, has shifted south of the continent altogether (ominously, completely as predicted by global warming climate models). So, what was once a reasonable place to live, with dry summers but reliably moist for the rest of the year, is developing an increasingly uncertain future.</p>
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		<title>By: Lilian Nattel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/02/05/tis-the-season-of-climate-idiocy/#comment-13630</link>
		<dc:creator>Lilian Nattel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I know is that I&#039;m glad my kids are getting a chance this winter to go sledding again because that might not happen much in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I know is that I&#8217;m glad my kids are getting a chance this winter to go sledding again because that might not happen much in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Sciencefan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/02/05/tis-the-season-of-climate-idiocy/#comment-13637</link>
		<dc:creator>Sciencefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I do not have the numbers in front of me, the Weather Channel reports daily a comparison of warmer weather days to colder ones.  I believe warmer outnumbers
	colder by about two thirds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I do not have the numbers in front of me, the Weather Channel reports daily a comparison of warmer weather days to colder ones.  I believe warmer outnumbers<br />
	colder by about two thirds.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Winsor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/02/05/tis-the-season-of-climate-idiocy/#comment-13636</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Winsor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely done:

	My sense of how this alienation arises... goes something like this. The climate issue is already highly politicized, so people start out with partisan inclinations. Then, the more highly educated conservatives—people like Deroy Murdock—proceed in a typically “intellectual” fashion to find information about the climate issue that confirms what they already think. For this they go to partisan and like-minded sources, such as Fox News or any number of rightwing anti-science websites.

	Exactly. And frequently someone originally cooked up the spin for those sources as well. It all needs generous amounts of sunlight, preferably in real time. (For example, something like what this post does with the &quot;CRA-caused-the-mortgage-meltdown&quot; meme.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely done:</p>
<p>	My sense of how this alienation arises&#8230; goes something like this. The climate issue is already highly politicized, so people start out with partisan inclinations. Then, the more highly educated conservatives—people like Deroy Murdock—proceed in a typically “intellectual” fashion to find information about the climate issue that confirms what they already think. For this they go to partisan and like-minded sources, such as Fox News or any number of rightwing anti-science websites.</p>
<p>	Exactly. And frequently someone originally cooked up the spin for those sources as well. It all needs generous amounts of sunlight, preferably in real time. (For example, something like what this post does with the &#8220;CRA-caused-the-mortgage-meltdown&#8221; meme.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ashutosh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/02/05/tis-the-season-of-climate-idiocy/#comment-13635</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashutosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On another note, that&#039;s the reason I have always thought that &quot;global warming&quot; was something of a misnomer. &quot;Climate change&quot; definitely sounds better for two reasons; firstly because warming is not the only effect of human activities, and secondly because the former phrases just gives more ammunition to deniers like the ones above</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On another note, that&#8217;s the reason I have always thought that &#8220;global warming&#8221; was something of a misnomer. &#8220;Climate change&#8221; definitely sounds better for two reasons; firstly because warming is not the only effect of human activities, and secondly because the former phrases just gives more ammunition to deniers like the ones above</p>
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		<title>By: Ashutosh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/02/05/tis-the-season-of-climate-idiocy/#comment-13634</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashutosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lou Dobbs is dumb for many other reasons. And as Bill Maher once succinctly put it, &quot;One day, when the skin starts melting off his face, Lou Dobbs will finally realize that it&#039;s not the fault of a Mexican&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lou Dobbs is dumb for many other reasons. And as Bill Maher once succinctly put it, &#8220;One day, when the skin starts melting off his face, Lou Dobbs will finally realize that it&#8217;s not the fault of a Mexican&#8221;</p>
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