Comments on: Where Are The Women With BIG Ideas? http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/03/09/where-are-the-women-with-big-ideas/ Where science collides with life, slams into culture, crashes with politics, and gets totaled. Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:28:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Stephanie Z http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/03/09/where-are-the-women-with-big-ideas/#comment-14287 Stephanie Z Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:10:37 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/03/09/where-are-the-women-with-big-ideas/#comment-14287 Elizabeth Loftus? Elizabeth Loftus?

]]> By: Lewis http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/03/09/where-are-the-women-with-big-ideas/#comment-14286 Lewis Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:22:04 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/03/09/where-are-the-women-with-big-ideas/#comment-14286 This article by a woman, Christina Hoff Sommers, who I would suggest has big ideas as the author of "Who Stole Feminism" and "The War on Boys" may be of interest to those with interest in science. http://www.american.com/archive/2008/march-april-magazine-contents/why-can2019t-a-woman-be-more-like-a-man?portal_status_message=Changes%20saved. This article by a woman, Christina Hoff Sommers, who I would suggest has big ideas as the author of “Who Stole Feminism” and “The War on Boys” may be of interest to those with interest in science.

http://www.american.com/archive/2008/march-april-magazine-contents/why-can2019t-a-woman-be-more-like-a-man?portal_status_message=Changes%20saved.

]]> By: Lewis http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/03/09/where-are-the-women-with-big-ideas/#comment-14285 Lewis Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:07:49 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/03/09/where-are-the-women-with-big-ideas/#comment-14285 One of the things I tend to notice any time this sort of topic, why don't women do more _____, it isn't right that women don't do more _______, the glass ceiling argument, I am forced to ask if someone is making an argument for equality of oppurtunity or equality of outcome. My understanding though a layman's one is that in any measure of ability or physical attiribute the statistics show the male graphs being flatter, more men at both extremes. These conversations tend to leave out that while there are more men at the top (published in this case) there are also more men at the bottom. Much is made of the derth of female CEOs or women at various views of the 'top' but little about the derth shown here: http://stats.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cftb0229.pdf 5,071 of 5,488 occupational fatalities occured to men. Please don't simply ask why aren't there more women at the top without also noting that there also aren't more women at the bottom. One of the things I tend to notice any time this sort of topic, why don’t women do more _____, it isn’t right that women don’t do more _______, the glass ceiling argument, I am forced to ask if someone is making an argument for equality of oppurtunity or equality of outcome.

My understanding though a layman’s one is that in any measure of ability or physical attiribute the statistics show the male graphs being flatter, more men at both extremes.

These conversations tend to leave out that while there are more men at the top (published in this case) there are also more men at the bottom.

Much is made of the derth of female CEOs or women at various views of the ‘top’ but little about the derth shown here: http://stats.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cftb0229.pdf

5,071 of 5,488 occupational fatalities occured to men.

Please don’t simply ask why aren’t there more women at the top without also noting that there also aren’t more women at the bottom.

]]> By: bioephemera http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/03/09/where-are-the-women-with-big-ideas/#comment-14284 bioephemera Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:09:02 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/03/09/where-are-the-women-with-big-ideas/#comment-14284 Rosalind Picard? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Picard Rosalind Picard?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Picard

]]> By: kelebek http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/03/09/where-are-the-women-with-big-ideas/#comment-14283 kelebek Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:27:22 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/03/09/where-are-the-women-with-big-ideas/#comment-14283 yorumsuz yorumsuz

]]> By: csrster http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/03/09/where-are-the-women-with-big-ideas/#comment-14290 csrster Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:45:57 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/03/09/where-are-the-women-with-big-ideas/#comment-14290 Judith Rich Harris? Judith Rich Harris?

]]> By: Ashutosh http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/03/09/where-are-the-women-with-big-ideas/#comment-14289 Ashutosh Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:49:05 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/03/09/where-are-the-women-with-big-ideas/#comment-14289 It's unfair to compare Taleb and Friedman; the former's ideas are much more thought provoking. As for Naomi Klein, she is a flag waving leftist, but does a good job of chronicling. I think of the correct statements to ask is "Why aren't there more women in investigative journalism"? It’s unfair to compare Taleb and Friedman; the former’s ideas are much more thought provoking. As for Naomi Klein, she is a flag waving leftist, but does a good job of chronicling.

I think of the correct statements to ask is “Why aren’t there more women in investigative journalism”?

]]> By: gravityloss http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/03/09/where-are-the-women-with-big-ideas/#comment-14288 gravityloss Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:38:20 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/03/09/where-are-the-women-with-big-ideas/#comment-14288 They're in the industry and academia, having and implementing their big ideas. Also I don't think anybody makes a big number of the fact that they're women. I know since I've worked with one. Practically the "big idea" celebrities you read and hear about in the media are completely different people, experts on self promotion. But I guess we live in a celebrity and attention grabbing world anyway. Substance hasn't mattered for a long time. They’re in the industry and academia, having and implementing their big ideas. Also I don’t think anybody makes a big number of the fact that they’re women. I know since I’ve worked with one.

Practically the “big idea” celebrities you read and hear about in the media are completely different people, experts on self promotion.

But I guess we live in a celebrity and attention grabbing world anyway. Substance hasn’t mattered for a long time.

]]> By: Zirp http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/03/09/where-are-the-women-with-big-ideas/#comment-14282 Zirp Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:39:24 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/03/09/where-are-the-women-with-big-ideas/#comment-14282 Over at GalleyCat, they're not quite convinced, and shoehorn Susan Faludi and Naomi Klein into the "explain-it-all" category. "But we did find Cheiffetz's distinction between 'storytellers' and 'big thinkers', and the suggestion that these two types of writing might play out along gender lines at least as far as what sells, intriguing," they add. I simply don't see how one could have a harder time "shoehorning" The Shock Doctrine into that category than The Black Swan or The World is Flat. If anything Taleb ("My imaginary statistician has never heard of Bayesian probability!") and Friedman ("My imaginary cab driver agrees with me!") lean on parable and anecdote far more often, why don't they get slotted into the "Storytelling" category? Over at GalleyCat, they’re not quite convinced, and shoehorn Susan Faludi and Naomi Klein into the “explain-it-all” category. “But we did find Cheiffetz’s distinction between ‘storytellers’ and ‘big thinkers’, and the suggestion that these two types of writing might play out along gender lines at least as far as what sells, intriguing,” they add.

I simply don’t see how one could have a harder time “shoehorning” The Shock Doctrine into that category than The Black Swan or The World is Flat. If anything Taleb (“My imaginary statistician has never heard of Bayesian probability!”) and Friedman (“My imaginary cab driver agrees with me!”) lean on parable and anecdote far more often, why don’t they get slotted into the “Storytelling” category?

]]> By: gina http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/03/09/where-are-the-women-with-big-ideas/#comment-14281 gina Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:33:57 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/03/09/where-are-the-women-with-big-ideas/#comment-14281 A couple of people reflect my thoughts, which is that in general (I'm sure there are exceptions that prove the "rule") women tend towards families. In two-parent households this gives one of the parties the physical and cultural advantage of pushing forward and focusing like a "laser" towards advancement, while the female energy is is spread out. Depth vs Breadth. If you value depth you will consider this spread of energy as "dissipated" because it doesn't take you towards a specific measureable goal, while if you value breadth, you may consider this form of energy movement as meaningful in a different way. In a full life you'll need both, but each can get by for a while. A couple of people reflect my thoughts, which is that in general (I’m sure there are exceptions that prove the “rule”) women tend towards families. In two-parent households this gives one of the parties the physical and cultural advantage of pushing forward and focusing like a “laser” towards advancement, while the female energy is is spread out. Depth vs Breadth. If you value depth you will consider this spread of energy as “dissipated” because it doesn’t take you towards a specific measureable goal, while if you value breadth, you may consider this form of energy movement as meaningful in a different way. In a full life you’ll need both, but each can get by for a while.

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