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		<title>By: Accommodationism: onward and downward &#171; Why Evolution Is True</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/04/27/atheists-for-common-cause-with-the-religious-on-evolution/#comment-16799</link>
		<dc:creator>Accommodationism: onward and downward &#171; Why Evolution Is True</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] his pains, Jerry was attacked very trenchantly by Chris Mooney. Worse, Barbara Forrest said that Coyne should shut up. She said that &#8220;secularists should not [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Darwiniana &#187; Debate links</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/04/27/atheists-for-common-cause-with-the-religious-on-evolution/#comment-16798</link>
		<dc:creator>Darwiniana &#187; Debate links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 3. Mooney [...] </description>
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		<title>By: The Big Accommodatinism Debate: all relevant posts &#171; Why Evolution Is True</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Big Accommodatinism Debate: all relevant posts &#171; Why Evolution Is True</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chris Mooney and Barbara Forrest love the faithful more than me &#171; Why Evolution Is True</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/04/27/atheists-for-common-cause-with-the-religious-on-evolution/#comment-16796</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Mooney and Barbara Forrest love the faithful more than me &#171; Why Evolution Is True</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the second, she also challenged the latest secularist to start a ruckus–Jerry Coyne, who I’ve criticized before. In a recent New Republic book review, Coyne took on Kenneth Miller and Karl Giberson, two [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the second, she also challenged the latest secularist to start a ruckus–Jerry Coyne, who I’ve criticized before. In a recent New Republic book review, Coyne took on Kenneth Miller and Karl Giberson, two [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Civility and the New Atheists &#124; The Intersection &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/04/27/atheists-for-common-cause-with-the-religious-on-evolution/#comment-16795</link>
		<dc:creator>Civility and the New Atheists &#124; The Intersection &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 20:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] she also challenged the latest secularist to start a ruckus&#8211;Jerry Coyne, who we&#8217;ve criticized before. In a recent New Republic book review, Coyne took on Kenneth Miller and Karl Giberson, both of whom [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] she also challenged the latest secularist to start a ruckus&#8211;Jerry Coyne, who we&#8217;ve criticized before. In a recent New Republic book review, Coyne took on Kenneth Miller and Karl Giberson, both of whom [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Leigh Jackson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/04/27/atheists-for-common-cause-with-the-religious-on-evolution/#comment-16794</link>
		<dc:creator>Leigh Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 22:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Individual scientists have the right to express their personal thoughts on the philosophical and/or religious  implications of  science. Scientific institutions of the stature of the AAAS and NAS disgrace themselves by doing so.

These two statements by the NAS go beyond science advocacy:

&quot;Acceptance of the evidence for evolution can be compatible with religious faith.&quot;

&quot;Attempts to pit science and religion against each other create controversy where none needs to exist.&quot;

http://nationalacademies.org/evolution/Compatibility.html

The fact that some religious people accept the evidence for evolution does not make the first statement any more an empirical proposition than the second. They are both philosophical positions.

The NCSE does not have the institutional stature of the AAAS and NAS but it is a pity that they lack Darwin&#039;s confidence in the ability of his science to speak for itself:

&quot; I would give absolutely nothing for the theory of Natural Selection, if it requires miraculous additions at any one stage of descent.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Individual scientists have the right to express their personal thoughts on the philosophical and/or religious  implications of  science. Scientific institutions of the stature of the AAAS and NAS disgrace themselves by doing so.</p>
<p>These two statements by the NAS go beyond science advocacy:</p>
<p>&#8220;Acceptance of the evidence for evolution can be compatible with religious faith.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Attempts to pit science and religion against each other create controversy where none needs to exist.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://nationalacademies.org/evolution/Compatibility.html" rel="nofollow">http://nationalacademies.org/evolution/Compatibility.html</a></p>
<p>The fact that some religious people accept the evidence for evolution does not make the first statement any more an empirical proposition than the second. They are both philosophical positions.</p>
<p>The NCSE does not have the institutional stature of the AAAS and NAS but it is a pity that they lack Darwin&#8217;s confidence in the ability of his science to speak for itself:</p>
<p>&#8221; I would give absolutely nothing for the theory of Natural Selection, if it requires miraculous additions at any one stage of descent.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Matti K.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/04/27/atheists-for-common-cause-with-the-religious-on-evolution/#comment-16793</link>
		<dc:creator>Matti K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 18:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris:

&quot;There’s a far bigger point here: In my view, we’re not nearly so secure in our defense of evolution in this country that we can indulge in the luxury of alienating the vast number of evolution defenders who hold something like the above belief.&quot;

Do you really think that these religious &quot;evolution defenders&quot; would get alienated from science if societies advancing science would be strictly agnostic?   Will they turn to creationists, if these societies do not continuously reassure them that religion and science are compatible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris:</p>
<p>&#8220;There’s a far bigger point here: In my view, we’re not nearly so secure in our defense of evolution in this country that we can indulge in the luxury of alienating the vast number of evolution defenders who hold something like the above belief.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you really think that these religious &#8220;evolution defenders&#8221; would get alienated from science if societies advancing science would be strictly agnostic?   Will they turn to creationists, if these societies do not continuously reassure them that religion and science are compatible?</p>
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		<title>By: Curious Wavefunction</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/04/27/atheists-for-common-cause-with-the-religious-on-evolution/#comment-16792</link>
		<dc:creator>Curious Wavefunction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The simple point is that we need to call a spade a spade. Newton&#039;s contributions to science will be unprecedented. Yet we should call his metaphysical ramblings for what they are, nonsense. Francis Collins&#039;s contributions to science and the HGP are tremendous. Yet we should call his stance about religion kooky. Ken Miller&#039;s book &quot;Finding Darwin&#039;s God&quot; is probably the best refutation of ID and creationism that I have read. Yet one can only call his rather strange enunciations about religious faith confusing. One of the things science teaches you is to label things for what they are. One cannot help it if people constantly get offended.

As for diversity, we can certainly respect diversity in views. But that does not mean we let all views influence public and education policy equally. There has to be some yardstick by which we have to gauge the contribution of every viewpoint or paradigm to progress. One can hardly doubt that teaching skepticism, questioning and the search for rational and natural explanations- which just turn out to be hallmarks of science- are important and necessary for human progress and mutual respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The simple point is that we need to call a spade a spade. Newton&#8217;s contributions to science will be unprecedented. Yet we should call his metaphysical ramblings for what they are, nonsense. Francis Collins&#8217;s contributions to science and the HGP are tremendous. Yet we should call his stance about religion kooky. Ken Miller&#8217;s book &#8220;Finding Darwin&#8217;s God&#8221; is probably the best refutation of ID and creationism that I have read. Yet one can only call his rather strange enunciations about religious faith confusing. One of the things science teaches you is to label things for what they are. One cannot help it if people constantly get offended.</p>
<p>As for diversity, we can certainly respect diversity in views. But that does not mean we let all views influence public and education policy equally. There has to be some yardstick by which we have to gauge the contribution of every viewpoint or paradigm to progress. One can hardly doubt that teaching skepticism, questioning and the search for rational and natural explanations- which just turn out to be hallmarks of science- are important and necessary for human progress and mutual respect.</p>
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		<title>By: mk</title>
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		<dc:creator>mk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are we missing some comments in here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are we missing some comments in here?</p>
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		<title>By: ss</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/04/27/atheists-for-common-cause-with-the-religious-on-evolution/#comment-16790</link>
		<dc:creator>ss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, the empirical fact is that very few scientists see no conflict between science and religion. This does not mean that there is no contradiction between the two. You probably know that humans are capable of housing contradictory views, sometimes even more than two. If you really wanted to see the contradiction you would have to consider the methods of science which tells us about the natural world and then examine religion, which also makes claims about the natural world contradictory to those of science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, the empirical fact is that very few scientists see no conflict between science and religion. This does not mean that there is no contradiction between the two. You probably know that humans are capable of housing contradictory views, sometimes even more than two. If you really wanted to see the contradiction you would have to consider the methods of science which tells us about the natural world and then examine religion, which also makes claims about the natural world contradictory to those of science.</p>
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