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	<title>Comments on: There&#8217;s No &#8216;Cosmos&#8217; in Science Blogging</title>
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		<title>By: Orson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/05/11/theres-no-cosmos-in-science-blogging/#comment-16952</link>
		<dc:creator>Orson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 01:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The larger point of bloggers stuck preaching to the (already) converted may well remain true - but the example of vaccine alarmists isn&#039;t the one you want.

The vaccine&#039;s story is motivated by the &#039;it&#039;s to protect the children&quot; appeal, which is not really and argument at all - yet extremely vulnerable to hysteria - right, center, AND left. The right appeals to kids on abortion and teaching about sex in the schools; MADD appeals to both sides (although, increasingly to thee Left), in clamping down on demon rum - er, alcohol; and childhood vaccines, seem to move those on especially on the Left.

IT is too easy to &#039;prove&#039; any argument involving excess a by citing issues that depend on &quot;protecting the children.&quot; Remember the Alar scare involving apples, with actress Meryl Streep (a Fenton Com&#039;s con), chemophobia and bogus claims of cancer threat? And the child sex abuse hysteria of the 1980s, capturing well-intentioned professionals on thee Left as well as Puritan anti-sex cretins on the Right? Just too easy....

You need a better illustrative example to support your argument. Offhand, I don&#039;t know what it might be, just that is ain&#039;t this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The larger point of bloggers stuck preaching to the (already) converted may well remain true &#8211; but the example of vaccine alarmists isn&#8217;t the one you want.</p>
<p>The vaccine&#8217;s story is motivated by the &#8216;it&#8217;s to protect the children&#8221; appeal, which is not really and argument at all &#8211; yet extremely vulnerable to hysteria &#8211; right, center, AND left. The right appeals to kids on abortion and teaching about sex in the schools; MADD appeals to both sides (although, increasingly to thee Left), in clamping down on demon rum &#8211; er, alcohol; and childhood vaccines, seem to move those on especially on the Left.</p>
<p>IT is too easy to &#8216;prove&#8217; any argument involving excess a by citing issues that depend on &#8220;protecting the children.&#8221; Remember the Alar scare involving apples, with actress Meryl Streep (a Fenton Com&#8217;s con), chemophobia and bogus claims of cancer threat? And the child sex abuse hysteria of the 1980s, capturing well-intentioned professionals on thee Left as well as Puritan anti-sex cretins on the Right? Just too easy&#8230;.</p>
<p>You need a better illustrative example to support your argument. Offhand, I don&#8217;t know what it might be, just that is ain&#8217;t this one.</p>
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		<title>By: TomJoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomJoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But I stand by the point–I blog every day, and I’ll probably never quit. But I’m not convinced that science blogging reaches much beyond the already converted, the people who really least need to read it. And give that this is so, do ten science bloggers really serve as any replacement for one laid off major newspaper science reporter–or is it just impossible to even make the comparison?&lt;/i&gt;

I haven&#039;t really seen anyone make the case that science bloggers should replace a major newspaper science reporter. If newspapers are having trouble, surely it&#039;s their fault, not the fault of the bloggers.

Heck, one can easily argue that the media nowadays is nothing but a bunch of sycophants (pandering to one side or another), so I don&#039;t really know how much of a loss it actually is to see newspapers go by the wayside.

The times have changed ... newspapers must adapt. Fancy that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But I stand by the point–I blog every day, and I’ll probably never quit. But I’m not convinced that science blogging reaches much beyond the already converted, the people who really least need to read it. And give that this is so, do ten science bloggers really serve as any replacement for one laid off major newspaper science reporter–or is it just impossible to even make the comparison?</i></p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t really seen anyone make the case that science bloggers should replace a major newspaper science reporter. If newspapers are having trouble, surely it&#8217;s their fault, not the fault of the bloggers.</p>
<p>Heck, one can easily argue that the media nowadays is nothing but a bunch of sycophants (pandering to one side or another), so I don&#8217;t really know how much of a loss it actually is to see newspapers go by the wayside.</p>
<p>The times have changed &#8230; newspapers must adapt. Fancy that.</p>
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		<title>By: My Plan For Health &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Facts and Fitness</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Plan For Health &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Facts and Fitness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 14:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was very interested in Chris Mooney&#8217;s latest post in the Discover Magazine blog, The Intersection. He points to a review of the recent AAAS panel on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] was very interested in Chris Mooney&#8217;s latest post in the Discover Magazine blog, The Intersection. He points to a review of the recent AAAS panel on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 14:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that blogs don&#039;t replace real journalism, supported by real news organizations, but they have created something new with some upsides:

http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.php?id=n77vpc09f12gqgzxh012w79mmtf4t6rh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that blogs don&#8217;t replace real journalism, supported by real news organizations, but they have created something new with some upsides:</p>
<p><a href="http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.php?id=n77vpc09f12gqgzxh012w79mmtf4t6rh" rel="nofollow">http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.php?id=n77vpc09f12gqgzxh012w79mmtf4t6rh</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wes Rolley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wes Rolley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 20:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curious Wavefunction.
While I applaud your efforts, I would hope that you turn around and send your comment to Senator Kerry.  On May 6, he chaired a hearing of The Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation&#039;s  Subcommittee on Communications, Technology, and the Internet on  The Future of Journalism.  It is in the transcript of this hearing that I find the self-serving quotation from &lt;a href=&quot;http://commerce.senate.gov/public/_files/HuffingtonTestimonyFutureofJournalism.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ariana Huffington.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;Despite all the current hand wringing about the dire state of the newspaper industry -- well-warranted hand wringing, I might add -- we are actually in the midst of a Golden Age for news consumers. Can anyone seriously argue that this isn&#039;t a magnificent time for readers who can surf the net, use search engines, and go to news aggregators to access the best stories from countless sources around the world -- stories that are up-to-the-minute, not rolled out once a day?&lt;/blockquote&gt;   It is also from the pages of her Huffington Post that I found the repetition of a Belfast News story on the mass suicide of 1500 farmers in India.  The only problem is that the event never happened.  Still that story was picked up, referenced and made argued about throughout progressive sites in the US.  My own comments were &lt;a href=&quot;http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2009/04/blogging-is-not-journalism-most-of-time.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt; 

What are missing are those who can do first generation reporting, who have some degree of institutional knowledge and who have the integrity to remain free of the false neutrality of &quot;he-said, she-said&quot; reportage.   Even when I do find such first generation journalism, it is not often in main stream media or even on the major blog sites.  If comes from dedicated individuals with small audiences who want to get the truth in front of a few people who just might be able to use it, like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lloydgcarter.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lloyd G. Carter&lt;/a&gt; - a 20-year career  UPI reporter who now has a different day job but who has continued to write and speak about water and agriculture issues in Fresno, CA for another 15 years.  He doesn&#039;t have a big audience. 

Hell, I would research more and write more if there were a way for me to monetize that effort.  Instead, I end up finding the Lloyd G. Carter&#039;s and trust them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curious Wavefunction.<br />
While I applaud your efforts, I would hope that you turn around and send your comment to Senator Kerry.  On May 6, he chaired a hearing of The Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation&#8217;s  Subcommittee on Communications, Technology, and the Internet on  The Future of Journalism.  It is in the transcript of this hearing that I find the self-serving quotation from <a href="http://commerce.senate.gov/public/_files/HuffingtonTestimonyFutureofJournalism.pdf" rel="nofollow">Ariana Huffington.</a><br />
<blockquote>Despite all the current hand wringing about the dire state of the newspaper industry &#8212; well-warranted hand wringing, I might add &#8212; we are actually in the midst of a Golden Age for news consumers. Can anyone seriously argue that this isn&#8217;t a magnificent time for readers who can surf the net, use search engines, and go to news aggregators to access the best stories from countless sources around the world &#8212; stories that are up-to-the-minute, not rolled out once a day?</p></blockquote>
<p>   It is also from the pages of her Huffington Post that I found the repetition of a Belfast News story on the mass suicide of 1500 farmers in India.  The only problem is that the event never happened.  Still that story was picked up, referenced and made argued about throughout progressive sites in the US.  My own comments were <a href="http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2009/04/blogging-is-not-journalism-most-of-time.html" rel="nofollow">here.</a> </p>
<p>What are missing are those who can do first generation reporting, who have some degree of institutional knowledge and who have the integrity to remain free of the false neutrality of &#8220;he-said, she-said&#8221; reportage.   Even when I do find such first generation journalism, it is not often in main stream media or even on the major blog sites.  If comes from dedicated individuals with small audiences who want to get the truth in front of a few people who just might be able to use it, like <a href="http://www.lloydgcarter.com/" rel="nofollow">Lloyd G. Carter</a> &#8211; a 20-year career  UPI reporter who now has a different day job but who has continued to write and speak about water and agriculture issues in Fresno, CA for another 15 years.  He doesn&#8217;t have a big audience. </p>
<p>Hell, I would research more and write more if there were a way for me to monetize that effort.  Instead, I end up finding the Lloyd G. Carter&#8217;s and trust them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 19:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh great, another typical modern day guy named Chris Mooney, I don&#039;t know what his problem is but science have been around here very long before he was even born, he seems to have so much problems with everything, if that is the case then I suggest he should research over 100 years of works that great scientists like Albert Einstein, Isaac Newton and Stephen Hawking.
The science dated back to old greek times, being a skeptic isn&#039;t about taking a side and go against another, look at it at both sides, he also seems to be against self-learning, what&#039;s wrong with that? How can we even discovered anything if we don&#039;t think of ourselves? We are blessed with everything we make so far and yet someone just spit on it, not very thankful for evolution, I think he should give up his job and try being a scientist for a change if he going to keep annoyingly debunk others all the time no matters what so ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh great, another typical modern day guy named Chris Mooney, I don&#8217;t know what his problem is but science have been around here very long before he was even born, he seems to have so much problems with everything, if that is the case then I suggest he should research over 100 years of works that great scientists like Albert Einstein, Isaac Newton and Stephen Hawking.<br />
The science dated back to old greek times, being a skeptic isn&#8217;t about taking a side and go against another, look at it at both sides, he also seems to be against self-learning, what&#8217;s wrong with that? How can we even discovered anything if we don&#8217;t think of ourselves? We are blessed with everything we make so far and yet someone just spit on it, not very thankful for evolution, I think he should give up his job and try being a scientist for a change if he going to keep annoyingly debunk others all the time no matters what so ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Curious Wavefunction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curious Wavefunction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 18:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Science blogs will never beat newspapers. I am going to cover the 2009 Lindau Nobel Prize winners meeting in Germany with 22 Nobel laureates this year for Scienceblogs and I doubt if the coverage would reach a substantial audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Science blogs will never beat newspapers. I am going to cover the 2009 Lindau Nobel Prize winners meeting in Germany with 22 Nobel laureates this year for Scienceblogs and I doubt if the coverage would reach a substantial audience.</p>
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		<title>By: mk</title>
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		<dc:creator>mk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 18:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the current trends are as you say &quot;disastrous&quot; then what do you suppose a Science Blogging &#039;Cosmos&#039; would or should look like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the current trends are as you say &#8220;disastrous&#8221; then what do you suppose a Science Blogging &#8216;Cosmos&#8217; would or should look like?</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Mel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 17:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And give that this is so, do ten science bloggers really serve as any replacement for one laid off major newspaper science reporter–or is it just impossible to even make the comparison?
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The question still remains how much did the newspaper science reporter achieve.  We don&#039;t know, do we?  It seems there are a lot of people 40 to 60 years old who are scientifically illiterate.  Weren&#039;t they the generation who read newspapers in your &quot;Golden Age&quot; of scientific reporting to general audiences?    Were the newspapers also preaching to the converted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And give that this is so, do ten science bloggers really serve as any replacement for one laid off major newspaper science reporter–or is it just impossible to even make the comparison?<br />
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<p>The question still remains how much did the newspaper science reporter achieve.  We don&#8217;t know, do we?  It seems there are a lot of people 40 to 60 years old who are scientifically illiterate.  Weren&#8217;t they the generation who read newspapers in your &#8220;Golden Age&#8221; of scientific reporting to general audiences?    Were the newspapers also preaching to the converted?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 17:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gaythia, have you read &quot;Last Child in the Woods&quot;? I was thinking about that book and about playgrounds, etc. as my wife and I returned Sunday afternoon from camping with three dirty, happy little kids who had enjoyed 24+ hours of unstructured play in the woods.

As far as the point of this post, I have often thought as well that the opinions you see in science blogging are from those sorts of people who, if there were no internet, would tend to sit down and have conversations about science. Those people would include the highly trained, but would also include the highly interested. So, in a sense, you are not just preaching to the choir, but I imagine you are missing the uninterested and those who SHOULD be interested...

It is also incredibly easy to find loads of information on the internet that supports any pre-conceived notion one may have (unfounded or otherwise). That info is often just &quot;sciencey&quot; enough to be dangerous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gaythia, have you read &#8220;Last Child in the Woods&#8221;? I was thinking about that book and about playgrounds, etc. as my wife and I returned Sunday afternoon from camping with three dirty, happy little kids who had enjoyed 24+ hours of unstructured play in the woods.</p>
<p>As far as the point of this post, I have often thought as well that the opinions you see in science blogging are from those sorts of people who, if there were no internet, would tend to sit down and have conversations about science. Those people would include the highly trained, but would also include the highly interested. So, in a sense, you are not just preaching to the choir, but I imagine you are missing the uninterested and those who SHOULD be interested&#8230;</p>
<p>It is also incredibly easy to find loads of information on the internet that supports any pre-conceived notion one may have (unfounded or otherwise). That info is often just &#8220;sciencey&#8221; enough to be dangerous.</p>
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