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		<title>By: John Combs</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/05/19/the-pursuit-of-happiness/comment-page-1/#comment-41261</link>
		<dc:creator>John Combs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 19:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the ninth amendment has nothing to do with the Declaration of Independence, which is an important historical document signifying our break with foreign meddling while spelling out our own intentions, yet not in any means a part of our laws.  The ninth amendment refers to the assumption that individuals have rights (inalienable ones) above and beyond what is referred to in the previous amendments.  I will admit however, that the assumption does include the rights professed in the Declaration, but for the sake of a technicality, it is actually not a part of our law.  The Declaration itself doesn&#039;t protect us, the 9th amendment does it on its own, though maybe to open to interpretation.  One must read the other literature of our founders to understand what they thought rights were and what the 9th amendment was assumed to protect.  Right to a job was not one of them, nor was right to health care.  Rights were assumed only to be those things one was born with that could never be granted by another...but could be taken by tyrants if we fail to be vigilante (and often taken in the name of &quot;rights&quot; that can be granted.)

As a side note:  left out but intended to be implied in the right to pursuit of happiness (judging by the founders&#039; own correspondences) was the right to property.

pps:  I don&#039;t think income or education level have as much to do with party preference as worldview does.  Party preference CANNOT be generalized in demographic terms this way, it is a matter of personal philosophy.  Many Buddhist Democrats are happy, while many Christian Republicans are.  The Republicans are just less likely to meddle in the lives of others, though they still, admittedly, do way to much of that.

I am an Atheist Libertarian and am, despite many economic setbacks due to mistakes only I can claim ownership to (I can&#039;t blame others), I am happy.   I wonder if there&#039;s a survey showing happiness levels in those who own their mistakes vs those whom blame others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the ninth amendment has nothing to do with the Declaration of Independence, which is an important historical document signifying our break with foreign meddling while spelling out our own intentions, yet not in any means a part of our laws.  The ninth amendment refers to the assumption that individuals have rights (inalienable ones) above and beyond what is referred to in the previous amendments.  I will admit however, that the assumption does include the rights professed in the Declaration, but for the sake of a technicality, it is actually not a part of our law.  The Declaration itself doesn&#8217;t protect us, the 9th amendment does it on its own, though maybe to open to interpretation.  One must read the other literature of our founders to understand what they thought rights were and what the 9th amendment was assumed to protect.  Right to a job was not one of them, nor was right to health care.  Rights were assumed only to be those things one was born with that could never be granted by another&#8230;but could be taken by tyrants if we fail to be vigilante (and often taken in the name of &#8220;rights&#8221; that can be granted.)</p>
<p>As a side note:  left out but intended to be implied in the right to pursuit of happiness (judging by the founders&#8217; own correspondences) was the right to property.</p>
<p>pps:  I don&#8217;t think income or education level have as much to do with party preference as worldview does.  Party preference CANNOT be generalized in demographic terms this way, it is a matter of personal philosophy.  Many Buddhist Democrats are happy, while many Christian Republicans are.  The Republicans are just less likely to meddle in the lives of others, though they still, admittedly, do way to much of that.</p>
<p>I am an Atheist Libertarian and am, despite many economic setbacks due to mistakes only I can claim ownership to (I can&#8217;t blame others), I am happy.   I wonder if there&#8217;s a survey showing happiness levels in those who own their mistakes vs those whom blame others.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/05/19/the-pursuit-of-happiness/comment-page-1/#comment-17392</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 17:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am 71 and often believe I am happier than when I was younger.  It may be because I am closer to death than when I was younger.  I am healthy and nothing is imminent, but I am aware that my time on earth is now limited.  We are reasonably well off, healthy and have a great family situation.  We intentnionally wish to enjoy the time we have left on this earth.  Also, I belive I have learned to appreciate the beauties of this earth and the people I know, more than ever before.  Even if something goes wrong I can still enjoy a beautiful sunset, etc...........BUT I do remember the glory days of our youth and the intense drive to succeed when our family arrived.  I like my past, too!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am 71 and often believe I am happier than when I was younger.  It may be because I am closer to death than when I was younger.  I am healthy and nothing is imminent, but I am aware that my time on earth is now limited.  We are reasonably well off, healthy and have a great family situation.  We intentnionally wish to enjoy the time we have left on this earth.  Also, I belive I have learned to appreciate the beauties of this earth and the people I know, more than ever before.  Even if something goes wrong I can still enjoy a beautiful sunset, etc&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..BUT I do remember the glory days of our youth and the intense drive to succeed when our family arrived.  I like my past, too!!</p>
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		<title>By: Marion Delgado</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/05/19/the-pursuit-of-happiness/comment-page-1/#comment-17300</link>
		<dc:creator>Marion Delgado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 16:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s purely American.

Northern Europeans - mistier, rainier and colder than Appalachia - are the happiest in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s purely American.</p>
<p>Northern Europeans &#8211; mistier, rainier and colder than Appalachia &#8211; are the happiest in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Illusions</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/05/19/the-pursuit-of-happiness/comment-page-1/#comment-17296</link>
		<dc:creator>Illusions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 16:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the data makes perfect sense, and, I have to say that I disagree with the idea that the rich are not likely to be &quot;happier&quot; overall than the poor.  One has to consider what &quot;happiness&quot; might consist of for differing groups.  

For example, there are many studies that indicate that lower social status creates psychological and physiological stress in primate groups. The way various primate groups allocate resources among all ranks of the hierarchy is key to determining how much stress each particular rank is subject to.  Social structures where resources are allocated in a &quot;despotic&quot; way as opposed to an egalitarian one tend to be the most stressful for the primates at the lower end of the social order.  Guess which one humans utilize? 

So then we have to consider the &quot;old male Republican&quot; issue and happiness.  This is also not a surprise at all.  Older males (particularly white and Hispanic males as opposed to black males) are still found in greater proportion in positions of power, both in the home and in society at large.  The Republican issue is also not difficult when you consider what the party tends to stand for, Conservatism.  Keeping things the same.  The same social structure, the same family structure, etc.  Who tends to want to keep things the way they are? Why, those who are happiest with them, and who are benefiting from them disproportionately.  

Democrats tend to want things to change. Remember Obama&#039;s tag line? Hope and Change?  Who tends to want things to change? Obviously, it would be those who are not benefiting from things as they are at the present, who hope to create not just any change, but change that puts them in a more advantageous position.  So, the results of this survey do not surprise me, nor in my opinion do they show any clear cause for questioning self reporting of happiness as a viable method.  The results are exactly what should be expected based on the numerous studies of social hierarchy in primates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the data makes perfect sense, and, I have to say that I disagree with the idea that the rich are not likely to be &#8220;happier&#8221; overall than the poor.  One has to consider what &#8220;happiness&#8221; might consist of for differing groups.  </p>
<p>For example, there are many studies that indicate that lower social status creates psychological and physiological stress in primate groups. The way various primate groups allocate resources among all ranks of the hierarchy is key to determining how much stress each particular rank is subject to.  Social structures where resources are allocated in a &#8220;despotic&#8221; way as opposed to an egalitarian one tend to be the most stressful for the primates at the lower end of the social order.  Guess which one humans utilize? </p>
<p>So then we have to consider the &#8220;old male Republican&#8221; issue and happiness.  This is also not a surprise at all.  Older males (particularly white and Hispanic males as opposed to black males) are still found in greater proportion in positions of power, both in the home and in society at large.  The Republican issue is also not difficult when you consider what the party tends to stand for, Conservatism.  Keeping things the same.  The same social structure, the same family structure, etc.  Who tends to want to keep things the way they are? Why, those who are happiest with them, and who are benefiting from them disproportionately.  </p>
<p>Democrats tend to want things to change. Remember Obama&#8217;s tag line? Hope and Change?  Who tends to want things to change? Obviously, it would be those who are not benefiting from things as they are at the present, who hope to create not just any change, but change that puts them in a more advantageous position.  So, the results of this survey do not surprise me, nor in my opinion do they show any clear cause for questioning self reporting of happiness as a viable method.  The results are exactly what should be expected based on the numerous studies of social hierarchy in primates.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr.FabulousShoes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/05/19/the-pursuit-of-happiness/comment-page-1/#comment-17280</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr.FabulousShoes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 14:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Axel:  Actually, it has been interpreted to, via the 9th Amendment.  Now stop being so cranky!

Signed,
-A happy areligious Democrat on a cloudy day</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Axel:  Actually, it has been interpreted to, via the 9th Amendment.  Now stop being so cranky!</p>
<p>Signed,<br />
-A happy areligious Democrat on a cloudy day</p>
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		<title>By: mk</title>
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		<dc:creator>mk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 00:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I SAID I&#039;M FUCKING HAPPY!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I SAID I&#8217;M FUCKING HAPPY!!!</p>
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		<title>By: mk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/05/19/the-pursuit-of-happiness/comment-page-1/#comment-17254</link>
		<dc:creator>mk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 00:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey Frasz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoffrey Frasz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 18:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not be too hasty with the view that happiness is an emotion.  Cetainly manypeople, including probably, some the respondents in the survey use &quot;happiness&quot; to refer to a feeling, an emotional state, of pleasure, contentment, etc.  But that is not the only way to understand the term and I suspect many people even today use a different meaning.  For instance, happiness was understood by classical hedonists, past and present, as an absence of pain and anxiety.  Stoics see happiness  in terms of tranquility that comes from detachment, and don&#039;t forget the sense of happiness used by Aristotle as meaning the flourishing of person when all that persons potentials as a specific human being are being actualized.  In Aristotle&#039;s case,  pleasure would be a by-product of happiness but not something sort for its own sake.  

So I urge caution when interpreting such surveys that use a notoriously slippery term such as happiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not be too hasty with the view that happiness is an emotion.  Cetainly manypeople, including probably, some the respondents in the survey use &#8220;happiness&#8221; to refer to a feeling, an emotional state, of pleasure, contentment, etc.  But that is not the only way to understand the term and I suspect many people even today use a different meaning.  For instance, happiness was understood by classical hedonists, past and present, as an absence of pain and anxiety.  Stoics see happiness  in terms of tranquility that comes from detachment, and don&#8217;t forget the sense of happiness used by Aristotle as meaning the flourishing of person when all that persons potentials as a specific human being are being actualized.  In Aristotle&#8217;s case,  pleasure would be a by-product of happiness but not something sort for its own sake.  </p>
<p>So I urge caution when interpreting such surveys that use a notoriously slippery term such as happiness.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 17:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez, people. Happy is happy. Of course it&#039;s totally subjective. How could it not be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez, people. Happy is happy. Of course it&#8217;s totally subjective. How could it not be?</p>
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		<title>By: Axel in Montreal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Axel in Montreal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 16:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neither this item nor any of its links that I followed mentioned the presence of a strong social network or a friendly neighbourhood or village. Certainly for me (male, Canadian, urban, 69) the neighbourhood is a great source of happiness. Could the silence on this be a result of the Usanian reluctance to acknowledge the importance of the broad social context? There are other points where a more comparative approach would be welcome. For example if religious people in the US are happier than their non-religious fellow citizens, the question arises of what it is about Usanian society that makes religious people happier. Canada is far less religious that the US yet usually scores above the US in comparative happiness surveys, for example this one at http://www.fortunebound.com/happiness/boomer-tips/1543-bigger-is-not-better-in-happiness-and-life-satisfaction 
 
And by the way your Declaration of Independence can&#039;t guarantee anything; it is not your constitution. Does ignorance of your laws make you happier?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither this item nor any of its links that I followed mentioned the presence of a strong social network or a friendly neighbourhood or village. Certainly for me (male, Canadian, urban, 69) the neighbourhood is a great source of happiness. Could the silence on this be a result of the Usanian reluctance to acknowledge the importance of the broad social context? There are other points where a more comparative approach would be welcome. For example if religious people in the US are happier than their non-religious fellow citizens, the question arises of what it is about Usanian society that makes religious people happier. Canada is far less religious that the US yet usually scores above the US in comparative happiness surveys, for example this one at <a href="http://www.fortunebound.com/happiness/boomer-tips/1543-bigger-is-not-better-in-happiness-and-life-satisfaction" rel="nofollow">http://www.fortunebound.com/happiness/boomer-tips/1543-bigger-is-not-better-in-happiness-and-life-satisfaction</a> </p>
<p>And by the way your Declaration of Independence can&#8217;t guarantee anything; it is not your constitution. Does ignorance of your laws make you happier?</p>
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