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		<title>By: On being a scientist and a woman &#124; BlogCABLE.COM</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/05/21/on-motherhood-identity-and-feminism/#comment-19094</link>
		<dc:creator>On being a scientist and a woman &#124; BlogCABLE.COM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 07:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] over at The Intersection has two items particularly of note &#8212; one is her musings on parents who post photos of their kids, and the other is her blog movement starting June 1 to work towards stopping violence towards women [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] over at The Intersection has two items particularly of note &#8212; one is her musings on parents who post photos of their kids, and the other is her blog movement starting June 1 to work towards stopping violence towards women [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Open Thread: Books For First Time Parents &#124; The Intersection &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/05/21/on-motherhood-identity-and-feminism/#comment-17940</link>
		<dc:creator>Open Thread: Books For First Time Parents &#124; The Intersection &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 15:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] topic, our conversation shifted to motherhood.  Kate&#8217;s a new mom and as I recently mentioned here, many of my friends are now pregnant and/or first time parents.  I&#8217;m always looking for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] topic, our conversation shifted to motherhood.  Kate&#8217;s a new mom and as I recently mentioned here, many of my friends are now pregnant and/or first time parents.  I&#8217;m always looking for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sabra</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/05/21/on-motherhood-identity-and-feminism/#comment-17671</link>
		<dc:creator>Sabra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 15:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a friend who had one of his new Transformers as his profile picture for a short while.  This is the same fellow who has had things like his paintings as the default photograph.  These things are no less David than an actual picture of David.  I know exactly whose photo that is before I see the name.

I suspect photos of your child suffice in much the same fashion.  I have another friend who only recently became a mother; while her profile photo is of her, I&#039;ve looked at enough pictures of the wee babe that I automatically associate the two: &quot;Wow, there&#039;s Christine&#039;s daughter!&quot;  

This is to say: both of these photographs of something not the person make me think &lt;i&gt;of&lt;/i&gt; the person.  It&#039;s not a loss of identity in either person&#039;s case.

If you are honestly the exact same person as a parent that you were before you became a parent, then that&#039;s a problem.  Your life &lt;i&gt;must&lt;/i&gt; change, your focus &lt;i&gt;must&lt;/i&gt; shift at least somewhat, because you now have another person wholly dependent upon you.  Loss of self &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; happen, but it&#039;s certainly not the norm, and a changing profile picture is in no way indicative of this.  My default pic on Facebook is of me alone; on MySpace it is of me and all three kids.  More of my &quot;friends&quot; on MySpace know me as a parent, so it makes sense to emphasize that part of myself there.  I do think there is something to be said for tailoring your presentation of yourself to the situation you&#039;re in.  I don&#039;t mind being &quot;B---&#039;s mom&quot; at her school, but when &lt;i&gt;I&#039;m&lt;/i&gt; at school, I&#039;m just Sabra.  And quite honestly, while I&#039;d love to see your pix of your kids and chat about them before or after class, I don&#039;t want to see pictures of them during your presentation unless they&#039;re somehow a &lt;i&gt;part&lt;/i&gt; of said presentation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a friend who had one of his new Transformers as his profile picture for a short while.  This is the same fellow who has had things like his paintings as the default photograph.  These things are no less David than an actual picture of David.  I know exactly whose photo that is before I see the name.</p>
<p>I suspect photos of your child suffice in much the same fashion.  I have another friend who only recently became a mother; while her profile photo is of her, I&#8217;ve looked at enough pictures of the wee babe that I automatically associate the two: &#8220;Wow, there&#8217;s Christine&#8217;s daughter!&#8221;  </p>
<p>This is to say: both of these photographs of something not the person make me think <i>of</i> the person.  It&#8217;s not a loss of identity in either person&#8217;s case.</p>
<p>If you are honestly the exact same person as a parent that you were before you became a parent, then that&#8217;s a problem.  Your life <i>must</i> change, your focus <i>must</i> shift at least somewhat, because you now have another person wholly dependent upon you.  Loss of self <i>can</i> happen, but it&#8217;s certainly not the norm, and a changing profile picture is in no way indicative of this.  My default pic on Facebook is of me alone; on MySpace it is of me and all three kids.  More of my &#8220;friends&#8221; on MySpace know me as a parent, so it makes sense to emphasize that part of myself there.  I do think there is something to be said for tailoring your presentation of yourself to the situation you&#8217;re in.  I don&#8217;t mind being &#8220;B&#8212;&#8217;s mom&#8221; at her school, but when <i>I&#8217;m</i> at school, I&#8217;m just Sabra.  And quite honestly, while I&#8217;d love to see your pix of your kids and chat about them before or after class, I don&#8217;t want to see pictures of them during your presentation unless they&#8217;re somehow a <i>part</i> of said presentation.</p>
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		<title>By: Candid Engineer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/05/21/on-motherhood-identity-and-feminism/#comment-17665</link>
		<dc:creator>Candid Engineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 13:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always assumed that parents post pictures of their kids of facebook because they are proud of their kids and also proud of what they have accomplished as parents. Almost as a way of saying &quot;here&#039;s what I&#039;ve been doing with the last year of my life, isn&#039;t she beautiful?&quot;

What I hate the most about the article is what you get at at the end of your post- this notion of arbitrarily judging other people without even knowing them. This is a horrendous practice that most of us play into in many facets of our lives, not just when discussing feminism or parenting. You don&#039;t know me, you don&#039;t know anything about who I am or what I&#039;ve gone through to get where I am, so don&#039;t judge me based on some smallish detail of my life.

As an aside, we must be just about the same age. I turn 29 in ~10 days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always assumed that parents post pictures of their kids of facebook because they are proud of their kids and also proud of what they have accomplished as parents. Almost as a way of saying &#8220;here&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve been doing with the last year of my life, isn&#8217;t she beautiful?&#8221;</p>
<p>What I hate the most about the article is what you get at at the end of your post- this notion of arbitrarily judging other people without even knowing them. This is a horrendous practice that most of us play into in many facets of our lives, not just when discussing feminism or parenting. You don&#8217;t know me, you don&#8217;t know anything about who I am or what I&#8217;ve gone through to get where I am, so don&#8217;t judge me based on some smallish detail of my life.</p>
<p>As an aside, we must be just about the same age. I turn 29 in ~10 days.</p>
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		<title>By: Blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 22:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://pascalesthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/04/on-childbearing.html</description>
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		<title>By: D. C. Sessions</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/05/21/on-motherhood-identity-and-feminism/#comment-17548</link>
		<dc:creator>D. C. Sessions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 18:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why isn’t overseeing the development of said child into a successful contributing member of society an acceptable “life’s work” and the very pinnacle of the development of “one’s talents”?&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Sort of depends on whether it&#039;s freely chosen or not, no?

Now, consider how many ways for the &quot;freely&quot; to be leached away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why isn’t overseeing the development of said child into a successful contributing member of society an acceptable “life’s work” and the very pinnacle of the development of “one’s talents”?</p></blockquote>
<p>Sort of depends on whether it&#8217;s freely chosen or not, no?</p>
<p>Now, consider how many ways for the &#8220;freely&#8221; to be leached away.</p>
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		<title>By: I.P. Freeley</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/05/21/on-motherhood-identity-and-feminism/#comment-17547</link>
		<dc:creator>I.P. Freeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 18:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s kinda creepy when people set their profile picture to images of their kid.  For the record, I also thought it was icky when folks used &quot;couple pictures&quot; as their profile pic (especially when their significant other was more prominent in the pic).  In both cases, people seem to have missed the point of FACEbook.  How are friends supposed to find you if you put up a pic of your kid?  Do you not see the symbolism of making your profile picture the image of another person?

I guess we&#039;ve all had those conversations with uber-parents that go something like:
&quot;How are you doing?&quot;
&quot;Timmy just started teething!!!&quot;
&quot;Great, but what about you?&quot;
&quot;Janie is doing great with potty training!!!&quot;
&quot;Have you forgotten how to use personal pronouns?&quot;
&quot;Hannah just started learning about nouns and verbs is school!!!&quot;

I just have to hold out hope that new parents eventually grow out of it and rediscover their individualism.  Setting your profile pic to kid pics is probably just the latest form of showing off baby pictures even though no one seemed to have asked about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s kinda creepy when people set their profile picture to images of their kid.  For the record, I also thought it was icky when folks used &#8220;couple pictures&#8221; as their profile pic (especially when their significant other was more prominent in the pic).  In both cases, people seem to have missed the point of FACEbook.  How are friends supposed to find you if you put up a pic of your kid?  Do you not see the symbolism of making your profile picture the image of another person?</p>
<p>I guess we&#8217;ve all had those conversations with uber-parents that go something like:<br />
&#8220;How are you doing?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Timmy just started teething!!!&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Great, but what about you?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Janie is doing great with potty training!!!&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Have you forgotten how to use personal pronouns?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Hannah just started learning about nouns and verbs is school!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>I just have to hold out hope that new parents eventually grow out of it and rediscover their individualism.  Setting your profile pic to kid pics is probably just the latest form of showing off baby pictures even though no one seemed to have asked about them.</p>
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		<title>By: Blogger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/05/21/on-motherhood-identity-and-feminism/#comment-17545</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 18:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The majority of working women continue to shoulder the burden of all domestic responsibilities in addition to earning a wage. Not much time left over for self-reflection, developing one’s talents or pursuing a life’s work.&quot;

Why isn&#039;t overseeing the development of said child into a successful contributing member of society an acceptable &quot;life&#039;s work&quot; and the very pinnacle of the development of &quot;one&#039;s talents&quot;?

You have to make sacrifices and you have to make choices.  Trying to have it all almost never works out.  That goes for both genders.  Regardless of his means of gaining a paycheck, raising a child successfully should become the fathers main career as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The majority of working women continue to shoulder the burden of all domestic responsibilities in addition to earning a wage. Not much time left over for self-reflection, developing one’s talents or pursuing a life’s work.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why isn&#8217;t overseeing the development of said child into a successful contributing member of society an acceptable &#8220;life&#8217;s work&#8221; and the very pinnacle of the development of &#8220;one&#8217;s talents&#8221;?</p>
<p>You have to make sacrifices and you have to make choices.  Trying to have it all almost never works out.  That goes for both genders.  Regardless of his means of gaining a paycheck, raising a child successfully should become the fathers main career as well.</p>
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		<title>By: CyberLizard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/05/21/on-motherhood-identity-and-feminism/#comment-17537</link>
		<dc:creator>CyberLizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 17:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of comment #24 struck a chord with me, from a purely intellectual standpoint
&lt;blockquote&gt;. You can do whatever you want with it, but a “profile picture” is meant to be an avatar, that is to say, a representation of yourself in the “virtual world”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
For someone as literal as myself, it does make me wonder what the intent of putting a picture of something other than a representation of your self on there is. Fortunately, I am aware of my literalness and try not to make generalizations based on my faulty interpretation of one piece of data. A little thought quickly reveals that a person&#039;s children &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; a representation of at least one part of their life and then it makes perfect logical sense to present it as an avatar.
Me? My profile picture is of an iguana. Feel free to draw whatever conclusions you like ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of comment #24 struck a chord with me, from a purely intellectual standpoint</p>
<blockquote><p>. You can do whatever you want with it, but a “profile picture” is meant to be an avatar, that is to say, a representation of yourself in the “virtual world”.</p></blockquote>
<p>For someone as literal as myself, it does make me wonder what the intent of putting a picture of something other than a representation of your self on there is. Fortunately, I am aware of my literalness and try not to make generalizations based on my faulty interpretation of one piece of data. A little thought quickly reveals that a person&#8217;s children <em>are</em> a representation of at least one part of their life and then it makes perfect logical sense to present it as an avatar.<br />
Me? My profile picture is of an iguana. Feel free to draw whatever conclusions you like <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sheril Kirshenbaum</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/05/21/on-motherhood-identity-and-feminism/#comment-17519</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheril Kirshenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 15:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catharine raises an interesting point about parenthood, economics, and time. However, it&#039;s important to note that work without a desk and laptop can be equally--if not more--important, though I do understand it often requires sacrifice. 

That said, since I know what Catharine does, I&#039;m appreciative and indebted to wonderful individuals like her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catharine raises an interesting point about parenthood, economics, and time. However, it&#8217;s important to note that work without a desk and laptop can be equally&#8211;if not more&#8211;important, though I do understand it often requires sacrifice. </p>
<p>That said, since I know what Catharine does, I&#8217;m appreciative and indebted to wonderful individuals like her.</p>
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