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		<title>By: Pascal Lapointe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pascal Lapointe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orson was saying: &lt;i&gt;Didn’t Marx say that “cultural change is the opiate of the intellectual”? - or rather, isn’t this how neo-Marxists construe Marx?
Based on this utopianism, I see no cause for optimism - rather, the reverse: pessimism.&lt;/i&gt;



I don&#039;t know what Marx really says, but having myself studied History, I can guarantee you that cultural changes do exist... :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orson was saying: <i>Didn’t Marx say that “cultural change is the opiate of the intellectual”? &#8211; or rather, isn’t this how neo-Marxists construe Marx?<br />
Based on this utopianism, I see no cause for optimism &#8211; rather, the reverse: pessimism.</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what Marx really says, but having myself studied History, I can guarantee you that cultural changes do exist&#8230; <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who said anything about utopia? The idea is to *mitigate* climate change. Pragmatism, not utopia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who said anything about utopia? The idea is to *mitigate* climate change. Pragmatism, not utopia.</p>
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		<title>By: Orson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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Orson: Didn’t Marx say that “cultural change is the opiate of the intellectual”? - or rather, isn’t this how neo-Marxists construe Marx? Based on this utopianism, I see no cause for optimism…

JJ replies: None of this is based on Marx, nope, it’s good old Anglo empiricism in the tradition of Hume and Isaac Newton &lt;/i&gt;

[JJ - it&#039;s sarcasm ; ) ]

THE CHALLENGE is to show us how such utopianism is empirically practical (but then some people don&#039;t &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; sarcasm).</description>
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Orson: Didn’t Marx say that “cultural change is the opiate of the intellectual”? &#8211; or rather, isn’t this how neo-Marxists construe Marx? Based on this utopianism, I see no cause for optimism…</p>
<p>JJ replies: None of this is based on Marx, nope, it’s good old Anglo empiricism in the tradition of Hume and Isaac Newton </i></p>
<p>[JJ - it's sarcasm ; ) ]</p>
<p>THE CHALLENGE is to show us how such utopianism is empirically practical (but then some people don&#8217;t <i>do</i> sarcasm).</p>
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		<dc:creator>Commodities Broker &#124; DrumBeat: June 23, 2009 &#124; Commodities Options &#124; Commodities Futures &#124; Commodities Prices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 03:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] From a Scientist and a Writer: A Plea to Change Our Science-Anemic Culture A plea for enhanced scientific literacy, Unscientific America urges those who care about the place of science in our society to take unprecedented action. We must begin to train a small army of ambassadors who can translate science’s message and make it relevant to the media, to politicians, and to the public in the broadest sense. An impassioned call to arms worthy of Snow’s original manifesto, this book lays the groundwork for reintegrating science into the public discourse–before it’s too late. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] From a Scientist and a Writer: A Plea to Change Our Science-Anemic Culture A plea for enhanced scientific literacy, Unscientific America urges those who care about the place of science in our society to take unprecedented action. We must begin to train a small army of ambassadors who can translate science’s message and make it relevant to the media, to politicians, and to the public in the broadest sense. An impassioned call to arms worthy of Snow’s original manifesto, this book lays the groundwork for reintegrating science into the public discourse–before it’s too late. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Are there any unbiased scientists out there?&lt;/i&gt;

If there wasn&#039;t unbiased scientists then the computer you&#039;re typing on wouldn&#039;t work. Science is empirical. If something doesn&#039;t comport with reality, then someone shoots it down (or the technology doesn&#039;t work). 

That&#039;s how careers are made (or not, as the case may be) in the sciences. 

And only ideologues don&#039;t get this kind of common sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Are there any unbiased scientists out there?</i></p>
<p>If there wasn&#8217;t unbiased scientists then the computer you&#8217;re typing on wouldn&#8217;t work. Science is empirical. If something doesn&#8217;t comport with reality, then someone shoots it down (or the technology doesn&#8217;t work). </p>
<p>That&#8217;s how careers are made (or not, as the case may be) in the sciences. </p>
<p>And only ideologues don&#8217;t get this kind of common sense.</p>
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		<title>By: JeffM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The authors said: &quot;We must begin to train a small army of ambassadors who can translate science’s message and make it relevant to the media, to politicians, and to the public in the broadest sense.&quot;  Does this make any sense?

If we can agree on this, then the only issue to resolve is what religion these missionaries will preach.

Actually, what we need is a small army of unbiased scientists to validate or refute the global climate models.  Are there any unbiased scientists out there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The authors said: &#8220;We must begin to train a small army of ambassadors who can translate science’s message and make it relevant to the media, to politicians, and to the public in the broadest sense.&#8221;  Does this make any sense?</p>
<p>If we can agree on this, then the only issue to resolve is what religion these missionaries will preach.</p>
<p>Actually, what we need is a small army of unbiased scientists to validate or refute the global climate models.  Are there any unbiased scientists out there?</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops. I meant that Kevin Phillips link to point here: http://tinyurl.com/kugfmv</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops. I meant that Kevin Phillips link to point here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/kugfmv" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/kugfmv</a></p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orson: &lt;i&gt;Didn’t Marx say that “cultural change is the opiate of the intellectual”? - or rather, isn’t this how neo-Marxists construe Marx? Based on this utopianism, I see no cause for optimism...&lt;/i&gt;

None of this is based on Marx, nope, it&#039;s good old Anglo empiricism in the tradition of Hume and Isaac Newton. 

Now *your* thinking, on the other hand, (&quot;intellectuals&quot; addicted to  “cultural change&quot; blah blah blah) is heavily influenced by New York intellectuals like &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=dM_enWzoghoC&amp;lpg=PA277&amp;dq=&quot;toryhood%20of%20change&quot;&amp;pg=PA366&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kevin Phillips&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/llhel8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Irving Kristol&lt;/a&gt;--who *were*, in fact, heavily influenced by Marx. Kristol was a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pbs.org/arguing/nyintellectuals_krystol_2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;recovering Trotskyist&lt;/a&gt;. And it showed ; - ). 

Further, nowadays, this view about conspiracies of elite social changers is pushing 40 years old. We are a long ways from Nixon&#039;s 60&#039;s and 70&#039;s. All the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;scientific organizations mentioned in this article&lt;/a&gt; are not &quot;hippies&quot; or &quot;elite&quot; Great Society social tinkerers. They&#039;re scientists. 

So get some new ideas. Empirically-based ones this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orson: <i>Didn’t Marx say that “cultural change is the opiate of the intellectual”? &#8211; or rather, isn’t this how neo-Marxists construe Marx? Based on this utopianism, I see no cause for optimism&#8230;</i></p>
<p>None of this is based on Marx, nope, it&#8217;s good old Anglo empiricism in the tradition of Hume and Isaac Newton. </p>
<p>Now *your* thinking, on the other hand, (&#8221;intellectuals&#8221; addicted to  “cultural change&#8221; blah blah blah) is heavily influenced by New York intellectuals like <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=dM_enWzoghoC&#038;lpg=PA277&#038;dq="toryhood%20of%20change"&#038;pg=PA366" rel="nofollow">Kevin Phillips</a> and <a href="http://tinyurl.com/llhel8" rel="nofollow">Irving Kristol</a>&#8211;who *were*, in fact, heavily influenced by Marx. Kristol was a <a href="http://www.pbs.org/arguing/nyintellectuals_krystol_2.html" rel="nofollow">recovering Trotskyist</a>. And it showed ; &#8211; ). </p>
<p>Further, nowadays, this view about conspiracies of elite social changers is pushing 40 years old. We are a long ways from Nixon&#8217;s 60&#8217;s and 70&#8217;s. All the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change" rel="nofollow">scientific organizations mentioned in this article</a> are not &#8220;hippies&#8221; or &#8220;elite&#8221; Great Society social tinkerers. They&#8217;re scientists. </p>
<p>So get some new ideas. Empirically-based ones this time.</p>
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		<title>By: Orson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pascal &lt;i&gt; So, rather than seeing this as something military, you should think about it as a change of attitude.
A change of culture, if I’m reading Chris’ mind correctly… &lt;/i&gt;

Didn&#039;t Marx say that &quot;cultural change is the opiate of the intellectual&quot;? - or rather, isn&#039;t this how neo-Marxists construe Marx?

Based on this utopianism, I see no cause for optimism - rather, the reverse: pessimism.

Instead, since US society is being revolutionized by IT, the proper issue is what actually constitutes knowledge. Thus the internet conserves knowledge and spreads its standards of information-attainment.

Properly harnessed to contemporary institutions of knowledge keeping, science standards ought to improve over time. This incremental improvement is what Karl Popper expects of the Open Society, but what institutionalized science keeps down - as seen above in Evans account of the boot-licking authoritarianism of the &quot;consensus&quot; on AGW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pascal <i> So, rather than seeing this as something military, you should think about it as a change of attitude.<br />
A change of culture, if I’m reading Chris’ mind correctly… </i></p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t Marx say that &#8220;cultural change is the opiate of the intellectual&#8221;? &#8211; or rather, isn&#8217;t this how neo-Marxists construe Marx?</p>
<p>Based on this utopianism, I see no cause for optimism &#8211; rather, the reverse: pessimism.</p>
<p>Instead, since US society is being revolutionized by IT, the proper issue is what actually constitutes knowledge. Thus the internet conserves knowledge and spreads its standards of information-attainment.</p>
<p>Properly harnessed to contemporary institutions of knowledge keeping, science standards ought to improve over time. This incremental improvement is what Karl Popper expects of the Open Society, but what institutionalized science keeps down &#8211; as seen above in Evans account of the boot-licking authoritarianism of the &#8220;consensus&#8221; on AGW.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant Goodness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant Goodness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...or are a confirmed progressive [liberal] who will blindly follow some loud-mouthed politician...  I really don’t like being called names or being stereotyped.&quot;

Then perhaps you should not stereotype, yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;or are a confirmed progressive [liberal] who will blindly follow some loud-mouthed politician&#8230;  I really don’t like being called names or being stereotyped.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then perhaps you should not stereotype, yourself.</p>
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