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	<title>Comments on: How Can We Rouse the Silent Majority?</title>
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		<title>By: Rosenau on Rousing the Silent Middle &#124; The Intersection &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/06/22/how-can-we-rouse-the-silent-majority/comment-page-5/#comment-33013</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosenau on Rousing the Silent Middle &#124; The Intersection &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at Science&amp;Religion Today, Josh has an important piece about a subject I&#8217;ve also addressed here&#8211;how to get moderates more engaged in the science-religion conversation, thus [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at Science&amp;Religion Today, Josh has an important piece about a subject I&#8217;ve also addressed here&#8211;how to get moderates more engaged in the science-religion conversation, thus [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jeb</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/06/22/how-can-we-rouse-the-silent-majority/comment-page-5/#comment-27109</link>
		<dc:creator>jeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 01:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s I should add I am not unsympathetic to some if not all of the arguments raised just the language used in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s I should add I am not unsympathetic to some if not all of the arguments raised just the language used in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: jeb</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/06/22/how-can-we-rouse-the-silent-majority/comment-page-5/#comment-27085</link>
		<dc:creator>jeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the silient majority is a dreadful term beloved and employed by politicians and media comentators trying to make a cheap point. Its not a very original term and I find it a very lazy one.

The silent majority something of a mythical beast and claims to be representing such a group uuuuugh. Its sad.

Its most often used in the U.K by right wing politicians trying to inflict particular moral perspectives on society.

A more grown up debate without the standard meaningless terms, academic nonsense and backbiting may be a way forward out of this goldfishbowl into a more public debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the silient majority is a dreadful term beloved and employed by politicians and media comentators trying to make a cheap point. Its not a very original term and I find it a very lazy one.</p>
<p>The silent majority something of a mythical beast and claims to be representing such a group uuuuugh. Its sad.</p>
<p>Its most often used in the U.K by right wing politicians trying to inflict particular moral perspectives on society.</p>
<p>A more grown up debate without the standard meaningless terms, academic nonsense and backbiting may be a way forward out of this goldfishbowl into a more public debate.</p>
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		<title>By: The Survey Data on Science and Religion &#124; The Intersection &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/06/22/how-can-we-rouse-the-silent-majority/comment-page-5/#comment-22519</link>
		<dc:creator>The Survey Data on Science and Religion &#124; The Intersection &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] am not aware of having &#8220;tweaked&#8221; any survey data. At issue is this post of mine, which doesn&#8217;t even directly report any of the data&#8211;it merely links the Pew [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] am not aware of having &#8220;tweaked&#8221; any survey data. At issue is this post of mine, which doesn&#8217;t even directly report any of the data&#8211;it merely links the Pew [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Almost done: are science and faith compatible? &#171; Why Evolution Is True</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/06/22/how-can-we-rouse-the-silent-majority/comment-page-5/#comment-22456</link>
		<dc:creator>Almost done: are science and faith compatible? &#171; Why Evolution Is True</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] data say they aren&#8217;t, but Chris Mooney tweaks them a bit to claim the opposite.   See here, here,  here, and here (in order). Here are the relevant facts (my emphasis): Interestingly, many of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] data say they aren&#8217;t, but Chris Mooney tweaks them a bit to claim the opposite.   See here, here,  here, and here (in order). Here are the relevant facts (my emphasis): Interestingly, many of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave2</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/06/22/how-can-we-rouse-the-silent-majority/comment-page-5/#comment-21480</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The majority of Christians in America are young-earth creationists.

So what Mooney says about the &quot;silent majority&quot; appears to be demonstrably false.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The majority of Christians in America are young-earth creationists.</p>
<p>So what Mooney says about the &#8220;silent majority&#8221; appears to be demonstrably false.</p>
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		<title>By: Arcos Plage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arcos Plage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill C., why must proselytizing for Deism or Pantheism, or even Pandeism or Panendeism, be &quot;sneaky and underhanded&quot;? There are people who genuinely hold those positions, and they are defensible vis-a-vis science, at least to far greater a degree then theisms. So the Pandeist believes in a God-made-world, at least it is said to be discernible to scientific inquiry. I have no fear of faith so long as it does not stand against such inquiry or dispute the findings of science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill C., why must proselytizing for Deism or Pantheism, or even Pandeism or Panendeism, be &#8220;sneaky and underhanded&#8221;? There are people who genuinely hold those positions, and they are defensible vis-a-vis science, at least to far greater a degree then theisms. So the Pandeist believes in a God-made-world, at least it is said to be discernible to scientific inquiry. I have no fear of faith so long as it does not stand against such inquiry or dispute the findings of science.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/06/22/how-can-we-rouse-the-silent-majority/comment-page-5/#comment-21222</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Leigh

There are facts that are observer independent, features of reality that exist independently of us such as physical reality (Searle, 2006). And there are facts, such as social institutions, that are observer relative, i.e., that exist only because we think they exist yet they are objective facts. 20 dollar bills are just pieces of paper but in an objective sense they are 20 dollar bills because they have a collective acceptance as such. If I think a 20 dollar bill is not a 20 dollar bill I am wrong.  

Religion is clearly an observer relative social institution. However, the supernatural objects and entities in religious mythology do not have an observer indepedent objective existene, and if I believe they do I am simply mistaken. The social institution of relgion has an observer relative objective existence, of course. 

Science is interested in describing and explaining observer independent objectvie facts. Even those interpretations of quantum theory which question the existence of an observer indepedent reality have for the most part been discarded as implausible. 

After Galileo and Kepler, natural science has met with success after success in increasing our understanding of the universe. What accounts for this astonishing success? What&#039;s more, the pace of scientific advance is accelerating. 

Religious traditions, insofar as they attempt to explain the universe, utterly fail to explain the facts of the world. Simple examples such as the geographical distribution of animals cannot be explained as originating form a single georgraphical location. The failure of theology to function as a scientific theory was widely acknowledged even before Darwin.

It is unfortunate that scientific inquiry must concern itself at all with religious traditions, except to explain the evolutionary reasons for why humans collectively accept false beliefs. The NCSE should NOT MENTION RELIGION AT ALL anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Leigh</p>
<p>There are facts that are observer independent, features of reality that exist independently of us such as physical reality (Searle, 2006). And there are facts, such as social institutions, that are observer relative, i.e., that exist only because we think they exist yet they are objective facts. 20 dollar bills are just pieces of paper but in an objective sense they are 20 dollar bills because they have a collective acceptance as such. If I think a 20 dollar bill is not a 20 dollar bill I am wrong.  </p>
<p>Religion is clearly an observer relative social institution. However, the supernatural objects and entities in religious mythology do not have an observer indepedent objective existene, and if I believe they do I am simply mistaken. The social institution of relgion has an observer relative objective existence, of course. </p>
<p>Science is interested in describing and explaining observer independent objectvie facts. Even those interpretations of quantum theory which question the existence of an observer indepedent reality have for the most part been discarded as implausible. </p>
<p>After Galileo and Kepler, natural science has met with success after success in increasing our understanding of the universe. What accounts for this astonishing success? What&#8217;s more, the pace of scientific advance is accelerating. </p>
<p>Religious traditions, insofar as they attempt to explain the universe, utterly fail to explain the facts of the world. Simple examples such as the geographical distribution of animals cannot be explained as originating form a single georgraphical location. The failure of theology to function as a scientific theory was widely acknowledged even before Darwin.</p>
<p>It is unfortunate that scientific inquiry must concern itself at all with religious traditions, except to explain the evolutionary reasons for why humans collectively accept false beliefs. The NCSE should NOT MENTION RELIGION AT ALL anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Leigh Jackson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/06/22/how-can-we-rouse-the-silent-majority/comment-page-5/#comment-21179</link>
		<dc:creator>Leigh Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the 2006 Pew survey quoted by David Masci, 42% of Americans flatly deny evolution and 21% believe in invisible design. Once upon a time what was thought to be the visible evidence of design in biology was argued as reason for supposing a designer. Now the argument is the other way round: belief in a designer implies there must be invisible design. Totally incompatible with science, all of it.

But according to Peter Hess, David Masci and Chris Mooney,  science and religion can and do get along just fine and dandy; well, most of the time... sort of; excepting the extremist atheists and creationists. Using Hess&#039;s criteria, most Americans profess a profoundly unsound theological position - as well as a profoundly unsound scientific position. So most Americans are religious extremists. Unless it&#039;s Hess&#039;s theology that is unsound. 

Does this mean that the NCSE is endorsing a particular theology? A theology which accepts all theories which science says is supported by overwhelming evidence? If so this is very interesting but it puts the NCSE on a theological collision course with most of America, 64% of whom say that they would hold to what their religion teaches rather than accept the contrary scientific finding. (See Masci.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the 2006 Pew survey quoted by David Masci, 42% of Americans flatly deny evolution and 21% believe in invisible design. Once upon a time what was thought to be the visible evidence of design in biology was argued as reason for supposing a designer. Now the argument is the other way round: belief in a designer implies there must be invisible design. Totally incompatible with science, all of it.</p>
<p>But according to Peter Hess, David Masci and Chris Mooney,  science and religion can and do get along just fine and dandy; well, most of the time&#8230; sort of; excepting the extremist atheists and creationists. Using Hess&#8217;s criteria, most Americans profess a profoundly unsound theological position &#8211; as well as a profoundly unsound scientific position. So most Americans are religious extremists. Unless it&#8217;s Hess&#8217;s theology that is unsound. </p>
<p>Does this mean that the NCSE is endorsing a particular theology? A theology which accepts all theories which science says is supported by overwhelming evidence? If so this is very interesting but it puts the NCSE on a theological collision course with most of America, 64% of whom say that they would hold to what their religion teaches rather than accept the contrary scientific finding. (See Masci.)</p>
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		<title>By: Geck</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/06/22/how-can-we-rouse-the-silent-majority/comment-page-5/#comment-21141</link>
		<dc:creator>Geck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aha, Joke! Do you forget these silent majority is Unscientific American?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha, Joke! Do you forget these silent majority is Unscientific American?</p>
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