Comments on: Responding to Coyne–Since I Haven’t in a While

By: Mel

Mel — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:32:41 +0000

Thank you, Larry, for again proving my points about you. Seek help, please.

By: Larry Fafarman

Larry Fafarman — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:11:34 +0000

It doesn’t matter how many facts and logical arguments are thrown at you Darwinists — you will never be satisfied and you will always find some reason to reject and scoff. When I point out that only 22 percent of Mormon respondents to a survey agreed that evolution is the best explanation for human origins, you say that survey result doesn’t count because the Mormon church does not have an official position on evolution . Go ahead and scoff, Darwinists, if it makes you feel good, but you are making a very bad impression on reasonable people.

By: Mel

Mel — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:15:25 +0000

Larry, it is rather clear you haven’t read the content of your own blog. Content you have written. All of which contradicts what you have just written (anyone interested can go to Larry’s blog and see the evidence, which is more than clear to anyone but him). You need help, and it is clear you are neither well nor happy. You do have it in you to be a good, well person again. Dave, for one, will thank you for finally taking the necessary steps.

By: John Kwok

John Kwok — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:46:29 +0000

Larry -

I call myself a Conservative Republican with strong Libertarian leanings and remain delighted with both the content and tone of fellow Republican Judge John Jones’s historic Kitzmiller vs. Dover Area School District trial ruling. I wouldn’t be surprised if your brother would concur with my positive assessment. Maybe its time to realize the error of your ways and recant and seek the psychological help which Mel believes – and I agree with him completely – you are in dire need of.

By: Larry Fafarman

Larry Fafarman — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 21:20:11 +0000

Or do you consider how you have repeatedly and vilely slandered Judge Jones, Eugenie Scott, Ed Brayton, Chris Comer, and so many others decent?

I have not gossiped about these people’s private affairs, e.g., their employment status, financial situations, their relatives, how they live, how many friends they have, how happy they are with their lives, etc.. My criticisms of these people are specific and substantiated, e.g., in the case of Judge Jones, I have pointed out that: (1) he said that his Dover decision was based on his notion that the Founders based the establishment clause upon a belief that organized religions are not “true” religions; and (2) he has charged that critics of his Dover decision lack respect for “the rule of law” and “judicial independence.” I have not made such broad, vague and absurd criticisms of these people as you have made of me, e.g., “you don’t know enough about any issue to debate issues”; “your ‘points’ and ‘arguments’ are usually laughably inane at best”; and “your reading comprehension is among the lowest I have ever encountered.”

What is decent about calling people “dunghill” for merely trying to present a rational argument?

I call people “dunghill” for presenting frivolous arguments, not for presenting rational arguments.

By: Mel

Mel — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:33:24 +0000

Or do you consider how you have repeatedly and vilely slandered Judge Jones, Eugenie Scott, Ed Brayton, Chris Comer, and so many others decent? What is decent about calling people “dunghill” for merely trying to present a rational argument? I am just trying to get you to realize that you could get treatment that would allow you to have a normal life again. I think there might just be a good person still in you somewhere who could actually contribute to discussions and society.

By: Mel

Mel — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:19:08 +0000

Larry, what do you know of decency? Anyone who has looked at your blog can easily see that you do not.

By: Larry Fafarman

Larry Fafarman — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:01:00 +0000

Mel, your personal attacks and gossip about my private affairs violate every principle of decency and civility. I would be surprised to see Chris Mooney allow such comments had I not seen so many other Darwinist bloggers allow such comments from Darwinist commenters.

By: Mel

Mel — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:31:10 +0000

Larry, look at your life. At what it has become. Think of how it used to be. Are you really happy now? You used to have a job. You used to have friends. You used to no offend everyone with whom you came in contact. You used to not be so angry all the time. You can have a good friendship with Dave again. Get help. Things can change before it is too late.

Oh, and thank you for having a reply that illustrates perfectly the reasons I gave for why you shouldn’t be taken seriously on these boards.

By: Larry Fafarman

Larry Fafarman — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:11:25 +0000

Mel at #166 –
Once again, your scoffing shows your frustration at your inability to counter my arguments.

The part you quoted back is from a letter signed by 19 Mormon professors at BYU describing how Mormonism is not in conflict with evolution

WHAT? I did not quote that letter.

. . . for the LDS church does not have an official position . . .

I never said that the LDS church has an official position — I only said that the Seventh Day Adventists and the Jehovah’s Witnesses posted webpages stating the view that evolution and religion are incompatible.

and has shown no problem with BYU teaching evolutionary biology.

You have not shown that BYU has no problem teaching evolutionary biology — you only showed a letter signed by some BYU professors.

To say that portions of the adherents of a given religion have a problem with a finding of science is not the same as saying that the hierarchy of a religion or the religion itself is in conflict with that finding.

I never said that the two are the same. But it is certainly significant that in the PEW Forum survey only 22 percent of Mormon respondents “agree that evolution is the best explanation for the origins of human life on earth,” regardless of the official position of the Mormon church.

You need help.

You are the one who needs help.