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	<title>Comments on: Classic Quote from PZ&#8217;s Blog, vs. Classic Quote from RealClimate</title>
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		<title>By: Marcel Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/09/classic-quote-from-pzs-blog-vs-classic-quote-from-realclimate/comment-page-10/#comment-29240</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcel Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 06:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What will M&amp;K say now that Jerry Coyne has demolished their book in the pages of Science? Will Mooney, who said he was betting that the review would be &quot;balanced and fair&quot;, now claim he lost the bet and attack Dr. Coyne? Or will he, for once, accept the judgment of his betters that he is *wrong*?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will M&#038;K say now that Jerry Coyne has demolished their book in the pages of Science? Will Mooney, who said he was betting that the review would be &#8220;balanced and fair&#8221;, now claim he lost the bet and attack Dr. Coyne? Or will he, for once, accept the judgment of his betters that he is *wrong*?</p>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s the matter with Unscientific America? &#171; how not to win a war</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/09/classic-quote-from-pzs-blog-vs-classic-quote-from-realclimate/comment-page-10/#comment-28146</link>
		<dc:creator>What&#8217;s the matter with Unscientific America? &#171; how not to win a war</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] weaknesses of their book, despite being constantly reminded of those weaknesses by commenters. They enjoy playing the &#8220;tone card&#8221;, since it allows them to distract from actual matters... Their critics are the rabble, beneath them, not Their Kind of People. These ape-loving new atheists [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] weaknesses of their book, despite being constantly reminded of those weaknesses by commenters. They enjoy playing the &#8220;tone card&#8221;, since it allows them to distract from actual matters&#8230; Their critics are the rabble, beneath them, not Their Kind of People. These ape-loving new atheists [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Watchman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/09/classic-quote-from-pzs-blog-vs-classic-quote-from-realclimate/comment-page-10/#comment-25873</link>
		<dc:creator>Watchman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Kwok: &lt;blockquote&gt;Well if you’ve watched “Star Trek” closely, I think you can spot assimilated Ferengi, Klingons and Romulans as members of tbe Borg.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

True enough. I see no &lt;b&gt;hybrids&lt;/b&gt;, though, which is what we were talking about, yes? In your words, &quot;a most curious hybrid of Ferengi, Klingon and Romulan.&quot; No?

Now that we&#039;ve descended into the first circle of silliness, can we call it a draw?

I have no particular quarrel with you, John, other than your insistence on characterizing Kseniya as a &quot;delusional troll&quot; when it&#039;s you who has persisted in misunderstanding her, you who has failed to address criticisms of your own dissonant statements and questionable behaviors.  I&#039;m not sure I care enough to continue this, though.  It&#039;s all OT anyway. Cheers, have a nice day, live and let live, etc. etc. etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Kwok:<br />
<blockquote>Well if you’ve watched “Star Trek” closely, I think you can spot assimilated Ferengi, Klingons and Romulans as members of tbe Borg.</p></blockquote>
<p>True enough. I see no <b>hybrids</b>, though, which is what we were talking about, yes? In your words, &#8220;a most curious hybrid of Ferengi, Klingon and Romulan.&#8221; No?</p>
<p>Now that we&#8217;ve descended into the first circle of silliness, can we call it a draw?</p>
<p>I have no particular quarrel with you, John, other than your insistence on characterizing Kseniya as a &#8220;delusional troll&#8221; when it&#8217;s you who has persisted in misunderstanding her, you who has failed to address criticisms of your own dissonant statements and questionable behaviors.  I&#8217;m not sure I care enough to continue this, though.  It&#8217;s all OT anyway. Cheers, have a nice day, live and let live, etc. etc. etc.</p>
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		<title>By: ndt</title>
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		<dc:creator>ndt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The undeniable reality of the situation is that the gap between scientists and the public is the fault of both&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ll deny that, and I also notice that you omitted the party most at fault - the liars. It&#039;s the Ken Hams, Kent Hovinds, Jerry Falwells, Andrew Wakefields, and Jenny McCarthys that bear most of the blame for this. Why do you not even mention them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The undeniable reality of the situation is that the gap between scientists and the public is the fault of both</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ll deny that, and I also notice that you omitted the party most at fault &#8211; the liars. It&#8217;s the Ken Hams, Kent Hovinds, Jerry Falwells, Andrew Wakefields, and Jenny McCarthys that bear most of the blame for this. Why do you not even mention them?</p>
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		<title>By: John Kwok</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/09/classic-quote-from-pzs-blog-vs-classic-quote-from-realclimate/comment-page-10/#comment-25341</link>
		<dc:creator>John Kwok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Watchmen -

Well if you&#039;ve watched &quot;Star Trek&quot; closely, I think you can spot assimilated Ferengi, Klingons and Romulans as members of tbe Borg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Watchmen -</p>
<p>Well if you&#8217;ve watched &#8220;Star Trek&#8221; closely, I think you can spot assimilated Ferengi, Klingons and Romulans as members of tbe Borg.</p>
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		<title>By: Watchman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Watchman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when are Ferengi, Klingon and Romulan hybrids members of the Borg Collective? Haven&#039;t we had enough retconning for one season?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when are Ferengi, Klingon and Romulan hybrids members of the Borg Collective? Haven&#8217;t we had enough retconning for one season?</p>
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		<title>By: Unscientific Unscientific America. Part 1. &#171; Why Evolution Is True</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/09/classic-quote-from-pzs-blog-vs-classic-quote-from-realclimate/comment-page-10/#comment-25254</link>
		<dc:creator>Unscientific Unscientific America. Part 1. &#171; Why Evolution Is True</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to improve scientific literacy because they see the pubic as dumb or intractable. As M&amp;K say on their website: “Yes, well, this whole mindset is precisely what we wrote a book against. The blame the public [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to improve scientific literacy because they see the pubic as dumb or intractable. As M&amp;K say on their website: “Yes, well, this whole mindset is precisely what we wrote a book against. The blame the public [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Kwok</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/09/classic-quote-from-pzs-blog-vs-classic-quote-from-realclimate/comment-page-10/#comment-25025</link>
		<dc:creator>John Kwok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Sven -

I understand Ken made an important discovery on cellular membranes years ago. His current success is due more to his ongoing work as a staunch defender of the teaching of evolution in science classrooms than as a science textbook author; a &quot;hobby&quot; of his which started when he debated Institute for Creation Research vice president Henry Morris years ago on the campus of our undergraduate alma mater (I will take credit - and deservedly so - for getting him started in his &quot;hobby&quot;, since I assisted him at that debate.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Sven -</p>
<p>I understand Ken made an important discovery on cellular membranes years ago. His current success is due more to his ongoing work as a staunch defender of the teaching of evolution in science classrooms than as a science textbook author; a &#8220;hobby&#8221; of his which started when he debated Institute for Creation Research vice president Henry Morris years ago on the campus of our undergraduate alma mater (I will take credit &#8211; and deservedly so &#8211; for getting him started in his &#8220;hobby&#8221;, since I assisted him at that debate.).</p>
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		<title>By: John Kwok</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/09/classic-quote-from-pzs-blog-vs-classic-quote-from-realclimate/comment-page-10/#comment-25024</link>
		<dc:creator>John Kwok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Watchman -

Nor do I really have any interest in contending with someone like yourself who is undoubtedly a most curious hybrid of Ferengi, Klingon and Romulan. Enjoy your current membership in the Coyne/Myers 
Militant Atheist Borg Collective. You are most certainly enjoying it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Watchman -</p>
<p>Nor do I really have any interest in contending with someone like yourself who is undoubtedly a most curious hybrid of Ferengi, Klingon and Romulan. Enjoy your current membership in the Coyne/Myers<br />
Militant Atheist Borg Collective. You are most certainly enjoying it.</p>
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		<title>By: Watchman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Watchman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Kwock, you have no talent for barbed comebacks. How refreshing. I salute you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Kwock, you have no talent for barbed comebacks. How refreshing. I salute you.</p>
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