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	<title>Comments on: Eugenie Scott Powerfully Makes the Case for Science-Religion Compatibility</title>
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		<title>By: Some More Words to the New Atheist Blogosphere on Unscientific America &#124; The Intersection &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some More Words to the New Atheist Blogosphere on Unscientific America &#124; The Intersection &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] became concerned a few weeks back, though, after posting (along with a few supporting words) a video of Eugenie Scott talking about science-religion compatibility. Merely for posting this video, Coyne accused Chris of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] became concerned a few weeks back, though, after posting (along with a few supporting words) a video of Eugenie Scott talking about science-religion compatibility. Merely for posting this video, Coyne accused Chris of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Vidi: Sunday Thoughts &#171; Archaeoastronomy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/10/eugenie-scott-powerfully-makes-the-case-for-science-religion-compatibility/comment-page-4/#comment-27060</link>
		<dc:creator>Vidi: Sunday Thoughts &#171; Archaeoastronomy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Eugenie Scott Powerfully Makes the Case for Science-Religion Compatibility &#124; The Intersection &#124; Disc... This is an oddity. As far as I can tell Scott says that if Science and Religion clash, you take the scientific explanation. It&#8217;s the God of the Gaps argument. That would seem an peculiar use of the word compatible to me. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Eugenie Scott Powerfully Makes the Case for Science-Religion Compatibility | The Intersection | Disc&#8230; This is an oddity. As far as I can tell Scott says that if Science and Religion clash, you take the scientific explanation. It&#8217;s the God of the Gaps argument. That would seem an peculiar use of the word compatible to me. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Negative Influence of PZ Myers &#171; Archaeoastronomy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/10/eugenie-scott-powerfully-makes-the-case-for-science-religion-compatibility/comment-page-4/#comment-26509</link>
		<dc:creator>The Negative Influence of PZ Myers &#171; Archaeoastronomy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] problems with statement. Are religious people really that fragile? There’s also the problem that Mooney believes that science and religion are compatible, though he’s never made it clear exactly what he means by compatible. I think he’s demonstrably [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] problems with statement. Are religious people really that fragile? There’s also the problem that Mooney believes that science and religion are compatible, though he’s never made it clear exactly what he means by compatible. I think he’s demonstrably [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Leigh Jackson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/10/eugenie-scott-powerfully-makes-the-case-for-science-religion-compatibility/comment-page-4/#comment-25228</link>
		<dc:creator>Leigh Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to point out that the news headline on the home page of NCSE which I quoted in an earlier post is wrong. The headline quotes the new Pew Report as stating 97% of scientists and 61% of the public accept evolution.

The report actually says, &quot;87% of scientists say that humans and other living things have evolved over time and that evolution is the result of natural processes such as natural selection. Just 32% of the public accepts this as true.&quot;

This represents a small improvement on the 2006 Pew Report which found 27% of the public acceptance of  evolution by natural processes alone.

Surely the evidence is compelling: science and religion - as practiced by most Americans, at least - are far from compatible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to point out that the news headline on the home page of NCSE which I quoted in an earlier post is wrong. The headline quotes the new Pew Report as stating 97% of scientists and 61% of the public accept evolution.</p>
<p>The report actually says, &#8220;87% of scientists say that humans and other living things have evolved over time and that evolution is the result of natural processes such as natural selection. Just 32% of the public accepts this as true.&#8221;</p>
<p>This represents a small improvement on the 2006 Pew Report which found 27% of the public acceptance of  evolution by natural processes alone.</p>
<p>Surely the evidence is compelling: science and religion &#8211; as practiced by most Americans, at least &#8211; are far from compatible.</p>
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		<title>By: John Kwok</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Kwok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Leigh -

Nor do I believe that you are &quot;Coyne&#039;s spokesman&quot;. My apologies for making you think that.

However, I have to differ strongly with your assessment regarding NCSE&#039;s &quot;accomodationism&quot;. It doesn&#039;t exist, period, even if you, Coyne, Myers et al. continue to believe so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Leigh -</p>
<p>Nor do I believe that you are &#8220;Coyne&#8217;s spokesman&#8221;. My apologies for making you think that.</p>
<p>However, I have to differ strongly with your assessment regarding NCSE&#8217;s &#8220;accomodationism&#8221;. It doesn&#8217;t exist, period, even if you, Coyne, Myers et al. continue to believe so.</p>
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		<title>By: Leigh Jackson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/10/eugenie-scott-powerfully-makes-the-case-for-science-religion-compatibility/comment-page-4/#comment-25004</link>
		<dc:creator>Leigh Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not Jerry Coyne&#039;s spokesman. 

Speaking for myself I will say that all those who are able to reconcile their religipus faith with evolution can join together and speak from the religious point of view, or points of view, in defense of evolution if they wish. The NCSE, as an organisation speaking on behalf of science education, is the wrong place to do it, though. A more correct platform would be an organisation which speaks on behalf of religious education. But this would never work because there is no religious consensus on the truth of evolution. A whole lot of religious people think it&#039;s the greatest evil the devil ever landed humankind with.

The NCSE&#039;s policy inevitably invites dissent from thoses who believe that religious faith and science do not mix; particularly those who believe that science and religion are antithetical. It  can appear to be sending a message that science needs the help of religion. It can also appear to be saying that science officially endorses religions which endorse science: whether or not it intends to do so.

Why should non-believing scientists buy into all this when it is obvious that religious objectors to evolution cannot be delivered unto science by the blandishments of false religions?

I believe that science can and must fight its own corner. Religion offers science nothing in return for a seat at its table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not Jerry Coyne&#8217;s spokesman. </p>
<p>Speaking for myself I will say that all those who are able to reconcile their religipus faith with evolution can join together and speak from the religious point of view, or points of view, in defense of evolution if they wish. The NCSE, as an organisation speaking on behalf of science education, is the wrong place to do it, though. A more correct platform would be an organisation which speaks on behalf of religious education. But this would never work because there is no religious consensus on the truth of evolution. A whole lot of religious people think it&#8217;s the greatest evil the devil ever landed humankind with.</p>
<p>The NCSE&#8217;s policy inevitably invites dissent from thoses who believe that religious faith and science do not mix; particularly those who believe that science and religion are antithetical. It  can appear to be sending a message that science needs the help of religion. It can also appear to be saying that science officially endorses religions which endorse science: whether or not it intends to do so.</p>
<p>Why should non-believing scientists buy into all this when it is obvious that religious objectors to evolution cannot be delivered unto science by the blandishments of false religions?</p>
<p>I believe that science can and must fight its own corner. Religion offers science nothing in return for a seat at its table.</p>
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		<title>By: John Kwok</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/10/eugenie-scott-powerfully-makes-the-case-for-science-religion-compatibility/comment-page-4/#comment-24921</link>
		<dc:creator>John Kwok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Leigh -

I&#039;ve spent much time - maybe too much time - looking over NCSE&#039;s website, and I don&#039;t see anything that remotely confirms Jerry Coyne&#039;s absurd &quot;accomodationism&quot; charge, unless you contend that NCSE Faith Project Director Paul Hess is ample confirmation of such &quot;accomodationism&quot; (It is not, since he doesn&#039;t write - nor has he written - anything explaining why science should accomodate certain - or all - religions.). And I&#039;m not the only one who has been checking. I asked Ken Miller - after I had done my own private investigation - and he claims that he hasn&#039;t seen anything at NCSE&#039;s website which supports Coyne&#039;s accusation (Now before you accuse me of being in collusion with Ken since he is both a friend and a fellow alumnus of our undergraduate alma mater, please bear in mind that I had asked Ken AFTER I checked and that I&#039;m a Deist, not a devout Roman Catholic (which is Ken&#039;s faith)).

Jerry Coyne has said that everyone who engages creationists should be &quot;together&quot; since we&#039;re all on the pro-evolution side. If he means what he has said, then why does he attack me, Ken Miller and others who strongly disagree with his &quot;accomodationist&quot; charge?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Leigh -</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve spent much time &#8211; maybe too much time &#8211; looking over NCSE&#8217;s website, and I don&#8217;t see anything that remotely confirms Jerry Coyne&#8217;s absurd &#8220;accomodationism&#8221; charge, unless you contend that NCSE Faith Project Director Paul Hess is ample confirmation of such &#8220;accomodationism&#8221; (It is not, since he doesn&#8217;t write &#8211; nor has he written &#8211; anything explaining why science should accomodate certain &#8211; or all &#8211; religions.). And I&#8217;m not the only one who has been checking. I asked Ken Miller &#8211; after I had done my own private investigation &#8211; and he claims that he hasn&#8217;t seen anything at NCSE&#8217;s website which supports Coyne&#8217;s accusation (Now before you accuse me of being in collusion with Ken since he is both a friend and a fellow alumnus of our undergraduate alma mater, please bear in mind that I had asked Ken AFTER I checked and that I&#8217;m a Deist, not a devout Roman Catholic (which is Ken&#8217;s faith)).</p>
<p>Jerry Coyne has said that everyone who engages creationists should be &#8220;together&#8221; since we&#8217;re all on the pro-evolution side. If he means what he has said, then why does he attack me, Ken Miller and others who strongly disagree with his &#8220;accomodationist&#8221; charge?</p>
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		<title>By: Leigh Jackson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/10/eugenie-scott-powerfully-makes-the-case-for-science-religion-compatibility/comment-page-4/#comment-24850</link>
		<dc:creator>Leigh Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Kwok, I am not saying that every scientific organisation is accommodationist. Nor is Jerry. He has named the AAAS and NAS and also the NCSE. I agree with him. I am saying that those organisations should drop their accommodationist position.

To a varying degree these organisations are straying beyond the bounds of science and into the bounds (or the embrace) of religion and philosophy to defend evolution. I don&#039;t think they should be doing so, nor does Jerry.

This list of organisations you have given: are they all commenting on the agreeableness of science and religion? I have no idea. If so I would find it quite extraordinary. I would assume that they would be making the point as strongly as possible that evolution qua theory is as well atttested a theory as any in science, and is also considered to be a fact in the same way that it is considered that atoms exist, that gravity exists, that the planets revolve around the sun, that germs cause diseases etc.

To engage in an attempt to tempt religious objectors to accept evolution by pointing to others from different religous faiths who say that they accept evolution is patently futile.

Scientists must not become missionary agents for science-religion compatible faiths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Kwok, I am not saying that every scientific organisation is accommodationist. Nor is Jerry. He has named the AAAS and NAS and also the NCSE. I agree with him. I am saying that those organisations should drop their accommodationist position.</p>
<p>To a varying degree these organisations are straying beyond the bounds of science and into the bounds (or the embrace) of religion and philosophy to defend evolution. I don&#8217;t think they should be doing so, nor does Jerry.</p>
<p>This list of organisations you have given: are they all commenting on the agreeableness of science and religion? I have no idea. If so I would find it quite extraordinary. I would assume that they would be making the point as strongly as possible that evolution qua theory is as well atttested a theory as any in science, and is also considered to be a fact in the same way that it is considered that atoms exist, that gravity exists, that the planets revolve around the sun, that germs cause diseases etc.</p>
<p>To engage in an attempt to tempt religious objectors to accept evolution by pointing to others from different religous faiths who say that they accept evolution is patently futile.</p>
<p>Scientists must not become missionary agents for science-religion compatible faiths.</p>
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		<title>By: John Kwok</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Kwok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mel -

Considering some of the famous people that I do know, I would say that meeting Dawkins and Ward that night was one of the most amazing meetings I ever had and one I still treasure a lot to this day (And I say this even though I&#039;ve been troubled by some of his recent rather harsh,  anti-religious biogtry.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mel -</p>
<p>Considering some of the famous people that I do know, I would say that meeting Dawkins and Ward that night was one of the most amazing meetings I ever had and one I still treasure a lot to this day (And I say this even though I&#8217;ve been troubled by some of his recent rather harsh,  anti-religious biogtry.).</p>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John Kwok

So jealous...</description>
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<p>So jealous&#8230;</p>
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