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	<title>Comments on: Some More Words to the New Atheist Blogosphere on Unscientific America</title>
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		<title>By: Getting Back to Unscientific America &#124; The Intersection &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/27/some-more-words-to-the-new-atheist-blogosphere-on-unscientific-america/comment-page-4/#comment-31678</link>
		<dc:creator>Getting Back to Unscientific America &#124; The Intersection &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Myers is now asking, &#8220;Is this book dead yet?&#8220;; as noted before, he apparently doesn&#8217;t even want you to read this work that criticizes him. But the reviews [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Myers is now asking, &#8220;Is this book dead yet?&#8220;; as noted before, he apparently doesn&#8217;t even want you to read this work that criticizes him. But the reviews [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mooney and co. vs. the new atheists &#124; weird things</title>
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		<dc:creator>mooney and co. vs. the new atheists &#124; weird things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] right again” less than two weeks after he sternly warned that the internet’s vocal atheists are just motivated by culture war instincts and don’t invest enough in civil dialogue that’s necessary to build bridges between scientists [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] right again” less than two weeks after he sternly warned that the internet’s vocal atheists are just motivated by culture war instincts and don’t invest enough in civil dialogue that’s necessary to build bridges between scientists [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Wright: Coyne Has &#8220;Misrepresented My Argument&#8221; &#124; The Intersection &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/27/some-more-words-to-the-new-atheist-blogosphere-on-unscientific-america/comment-page-4/#comment-30255</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Wright: Coyne Has &#8220;Misrepresented My Argument&#8221; &#124; The Intersection &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] full description of just how extensively Coyne has gotten him wrong&#8211;and then compare with our own documentation of how Coyne has misrepresented our book Unscientific [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] full description of just how extensively Coyne has gotten him wrong&#8211;and then compare with our own documentation of how Coyne has misrepresented our book Unscientific [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bsk</title>
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		<dc:creator>bsk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At first, with everyone giving such intense, ongoing publicity to a book they disagreed with, I was somewhat intrigued. But the incomprehensible whine on your blog over the past few weeks has just completely put me off. Even if your arguments are being misrepresented, you have given me no reason to doubt the criticisms and every reason to believe that they&#039;re actually well founded. At the very least, you seem to be undercutting your own intentions in the public relations department.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At first, with everyone giving such intense, ongoing publicity to a book they disagreed with, I was somewhat intrigued. But the incomprehensible whine on your blog over the past few weeks has just completely put me off. Even if your arguments are being misrepresented, you have given me no reason to doubt the criticisms and every reason to believe that they&#8217;re actually well founded. At the very least, you seem to be undercutting your own intentions in the public relations department.</p>
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		<title>By: Mooney and Kirshenbaum self-destruct at last &#171; Why Evolution Is True</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/27/some-more-words-to-the-new-atheist-blogosphere-on-unscientific-america/comment-page-4/#comment-29601</link>
		<dc:creator>Mooney and Kirshenbaum self-destruct at last &#171; Why Evolution Is True</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] take on Unscientific America, saying that they thought it would be &#8220;honest and fair,&#8221; to dismissing my critical opinion because I am a biased &#8220;New Atheist.&#8221;  I&#8217;m sorry but my opinion was indeed honest [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] take on Unscientific America, saying that they thought it would be &#8220;honest and fair,&#8221; to dismissing my critical opinion because I am a biased &#8220;New Atheist.&#8221;  I&#8217;m sorry but my opinion was indeed honest [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dear Moderate Christian &#171; Crowded Head, Cozy Bed</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/27/some-more-words-to-the-new-atheist-blogosphere-on-unscientific-america/comment-page-4/#comment-29012</link>
		<dc:creator>Dear Moderate Christian &#171; Crowded Head, Cozy Bed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Coynes, and the Harrises, and suddenly the airwaves are full of plaintive protests of &#8216;you&#8217;re just being too uncivil&#8216; and we should go back to our quiet little closets and politely ask you for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the Coynes, and the Harrises, and suddenly the airwaves are full of plaintive protests of &#8216;you&#8217;re just being too uncivil&#8216; and we should go back to our quiet little closets and politely ask you for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin S. Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin S. Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, I think comments from now on should just be single sentences as they don&#039;t get kidnapped by the filters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, I think comments from now on should just be single sentences as they don&#8217;t get kidnapped by the filters.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Beattie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/27/some-more-words-to-the-new-atheist-blogosphere-on-unscientific-america/comment-page-4/#comment-28531</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Beattie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if a comment dated July 31st, 2009 at 1:03 pm appears here, please excuse the copy-and-paste error. That one belongs in another thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if a comment dated July 31st, 2009 at 1:03 pm appears here, please excuse the copy-and-paste error. That one belongs in another thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Beattie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/27/some-more-words-to-the-new-atheist-blogosphere-on-unscientific-america/comment-page-4/#comment-28526</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Beattie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Then there’s the problem of “balance”–the idea that reporters must give roughly equal space to two different “sides” of a controversy. When applied to science, especially in politicized areas, this media norm becomes extremely problematic. Should journalists really grant equal time to the small band of scientists who deny the causal relationship between HIV and AIDS when the vast majority of researchers accept the connection between the two?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

First, I’ll have to say that your analysis—which is, of course, more extensive than the paragraph quoted here—rings painfully true. The one conclusion I would jump to, though, by dint of seeming rather glaringly obvious, is that journalists simply have no idea how one forms an independent opinion. In that, one should add, they are in plentiful, if not exactly good, company.

The basic process is actually quite simple. One makes observations about the world that one interprets, necessarily, in terms of what one assumes about the world. Then, one checks those interpretations against a different set of observable facts. The key in this second step, however, is not to look for facts that would make sense in light of your interpretation but to look for such facts that &lt;i&gt;would not make sense&lt;/i&gt; in light of your interpretation.

In the HIV example, it would &lt;i&gt;not make sense&lt;/i&gt; for anti-viral drugs to work in AIDS patients, or for specific immunity against HIV to be due to mutated T-cell genes blocking virus particles from docking to the cells, or for the transmission to be inhibited by using condoms if AIDS was actually caused by some Juju up some mountain or other or even by looking in the general direction of a gay bar. That makes any of the made-up stories appreciably inferior to the scientifically corroborated story. It would blow any ideas of so-called ‘balance’ right out of the water. And anyone who actually explained &lt;i&gt;the reasoning&lt;/i&gt; behind the science would not only further the cause of the public understanding of science, he would probably also improve his ratings. Because he would treat his audience like adults. In today’s media landscape, that kind of thing would stand out like a freshly groomed rottweiler in a pack of wet poodles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Then there’s the problem of “balance”–the idea that reporters must give roughly equal space to two different “sides” of a controversy. When applied to science, especially in politicized areas, this media norm becomes extremely problematic. Should journalists really grant equal time to the small band of scientists who deny the causal relationship between HIV and AIDS when the vast majority of researchers accept the connection between the two?</p></blockquote>
<p>First, I’ll have to say that your analysis—which is, of course, more extensive than the paragraph quoted here—rings painfully true. The one conclusion I would jump to, though, by dint of seeming rather glaringly obvious, is that journalists simply have no idea how one forms an independent opinion. In that, one should add, they are in plentiful, if not exactly good, company.</p>
<p>The basic process is actually quite simple. One makes observations about the world that one interprets, necessarily, in terms of what one assumes about the world. Then, one checks those interpretations against a different set of observable facts. The key in this second step, however, is not to look for facts that would make sense in light of your interpretation but to look for such facts that <i>would not make sense</i> in light of your interpretation.</p>
<p>In the HIV example, it would <i>not make sense</i> for anti-viral drugs to work in AIDS patients, or for specific immunity against HIV to be due to mutated T-cell genes blocking virus particles from docking to the cells, or for the transmission to be inhibited by using condoms if AIDS was actually caused by some Juju up some mountain or other or even by looking in the general direction of a gay bar. That makes any of the made-up stories appreciably inferior to the scientifically corroborated story. It would blow any ideas of so-called ‘balance’ right out of the water. And anyone who actually explained <i>the reasoning</i> behind the science would not only further the cause of the public understanding of science, he would probably also improve his ratings. Because he would treat his audience like adults. In today’s media landscape, that kind of thing would stand out like a freshly groomed rottweiler in a pack of wet poodles.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Beattie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Beattie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, wow, now it was deleted. I&#039;m starting to like this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, wow, now it was deleted. I&#8217;m starting to like this blog.</p>
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