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		<title>By: Caroline Bulleck</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/09/13/sex-death-and-art/#comment-56057</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline Bulleck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 22:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Gunther von Hagens&#039; work and I just recently seen the exhibit in Philadelphia. I spent a solid three hours looking at the plastinated bodies without getting tired. It is a wonderful display of art and the human body stripped down to the muscle and bone. Nothing is censored and it is all meant to be educational. It was an enjoyable experience and I&#039;m sad I sad I couldn&#039;t have stayed longer. People who criticize von Hagens&#039; unique exhibit just can&#039;t appreciate a new form of art. There have aalways been sculptures of people, and they&#039;re nice and all; but plastination lets us have the person be that sculpture. It&#039;s simply amazing and will add to educational means. After seeing the exhibit, there is no doubt in my mind that I want to donate my body now. Plastination is art in its truest form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Gunther von Hagens&#8217; work and I just recently seen the exhibit in Philadelphia. I spent a solid three hours looking at the plastinated bodies without getting tired. It is a wonderful display of art and the human body stripped down to the muscle and bone. Nothing is censored and it is all meant to be educational. It was an enjoyable experience and I&#8217;m sad I sad I couldn&#8217;t have stayed longer. People who criticize von Hagens&#8217; unique exhibit just can&#8217;t appreciate a new form of art. There have aalways been sculptures of people, and they&#8217;re nice and all; but plastination lets us have the person be that sculpture. It&#8217;s simply amazing and will add to educational means. After seeing the exhibit, there is no doubt in my mind that I want to donate my body now. Plastination is art in its truest form.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Body Sex Worlds Death Reference Desk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/09/13/sex-death-and-art/#comment-31876</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Body Sex Worlds Death Reference Desk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 01:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Discover, &#8220;Sex, Death, Science, And Art?&#8221; (Sheril Kirshenbaum, September 13, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Discover, &#8220;Sex, Death, Science, And Art?&#8221; (Sheril Kirshenbaum, September 13, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Blogger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/09/13/sex-death-and-art/#comment-31844</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just another example of cheapening something beautiful for profit.

Saying that it&#039;s &#039;artistic&#039; or &#039;instructive&#039; is nothing more than justification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another example of cheapening something beautiful for profit.</p>
<p>Saying that it&#8217;s &#8216;artistic&#8217; or &#8216;instructive&#8217; is nothing more than justification.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony McCarthy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/09/13/sex-death-and-art/#comment-31815</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony McCarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t see putting plasticized corpses in postures simulating sex as anything but repulsive.  I would have to see what those permission slips spelled out.   I&#039;m not sure that I&#039;d think even &quot;informed consent&quot; would make up for that.  

I didn&#039;t think of it later but a husband and wife team is doing this?   I don&#039;t want to begin to tell you the questions that come to mind over that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t see putting plasticized corpses in postures simulating sex as anything but repulsive.  I would have to see what those permission slips spelled out.   I&#8217;m not sure that I&#8217;d think even &#8220;informed consent&#8221; would make up for that.  </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t think of it later but a husband and wife team is doing this?   I don&#8217;t want to begin to tell you the questions that come to mind over that.</p>
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		<title>By: JakeR</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/09/13/sex-death-and-art/#comment-31800</link>
		<dc:creator>JakeR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 00:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Filthy grandeur has the advantage of those who assume Dr. Von Hagens&#039; showings lack any value.  Von Hagen&#039;s materials are all donated by the deceased, who sign informed consent. I have seen the forms and do not recall any provision for limiting the artistic or scientific purpose for which the remains may be used. I understand several people sign up during every run of one of the two shows.

Beside the educational value, the displays are also artistic, both in the subtlety of the materials, for example, an entire central nervous system from  brain to tiny filaments at the periphery, and in the  merit in not just posing bodies or parts, but in exposing the anatomy. There&#039;s a certain esthetic appeal to the sensuous curve of a kidney,  say, just as there&#039;s horrific malformation in a cirrhotic liver. Further, the artist has taken liberties for the sake of exposition, such as cm-thick transparent, colored saggital slices of a man arranged in order perhaps 35 mm apart. If you can see the beauty in a face, why not in the skull under it? If you respect science, craftsmanship, and an artistic vision, you will find Von Hagens&#039; work interesting, perhaps compelling.

Criminals&#039; corpses are used in one or more Chinese rip-offs of Von Hagens&#039; work, which I agree everybody should avoid for ethical reasons. Those shows don&#039;t even plastinate the materials well--they leak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Filthy grandeur has the advantage of those who assume Dr. Von Hagens&#8217; showings lack any value.  Von Hagen&#8217;s materials are all donated by the deceased, who sign informed consent. I have seen the forms and do not recall any provision for limiting the artistic or scientific purpose for which the remains may be used. I understand several people sign up during every run of one of the two shows.</p>
<p>Beside the educational value, the displays are also artistic, both in the subtlety of the materials, for example, an entire central nervous system from  brain to tiny filaments at the periphery, and in the  merit in not just posing bodies or parts, but in exposing the anatomy. There&#8217;s a certain esthetic appeal to the sensuous curve of a kidney,  say, just as there&#8217;s horrific malformation in a cirrhotic liver. Further, the artist has taken liberties for the sake of exposition, such as cm-thick transparent, colored saggital slices of a man arranged in order perhaps 35 mm apart. If you can see the beauty in a face, why not in the skull under it? If you respect science, craftsmanship, and an artistic vision, you will find Von Hagens&#8217; work interesting, perhaps compelling.</p>
<p>Criminals&#8217; corpses are used in one or more Chinese rip-offs of Von Hagens&#8217; work, which I agree everybody should avoid for ethical reasons. Those shows don&#8217;t even plastinate the materials well&#8211;they leak.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/09/13/sex-death-and-art/#comment-31795</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My partner and I saw the BODIES exhibit when it first came to town (which I realize is a different exhibit than Body Worlds, but same idea). We very much enjoyed the display, I wish I had brought my sketchbook and had more time. We both have fairly busy schedules at the moment, but I would love to go see this if we can find the time to go. As an aside, we really should have eaten dinner before we went to the BODIES exhibit - seeing all of that muscle meat made us both hungry.. so we spent less time than we were able because we had to go grab some dinner. Which is admittedly pretty terrible, but it&#039;s the truth. :P

Erasmussimo, yes I would absolutely consent to this. Though my current plans are to be cremated and turned into a giant concrete wiffle ball, which will be placed in the ocean for reef creation (eternalreefs.com). I feel that once I die, my body is mere flesh and my spirit no longer has a use for it. (Conversely I may die and that&#039;s utterly the end, spirit included, so the body is still useless.) I&#039;d rather that body be used for something positive, either to facilitate new life (by organ donation and/or through eternal reefs) or for education. I&#039;d be honored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My partner and I saw the BODIES exhibit when it first came to town (which I realize is a different exhibit than Body Worlds, but same idea). We very much enjoyed the display, I wish I had brought my sketchbook and had more time. We both have fairly busy schedules at the moment, but I would love to go see this if we can find the time to go. As an aside, we really should have eaten dinner before we went to the BODIES exhibit &#8211; seeing all of that muscle meat made us both hungry.. so we spent less time than we were able because we had to go grab some dinner. Which is admittedly pretty terrible, but it&#8217;s the truth. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Erasmussimo, yes I would absolutely consent to this. Though my current plans are to be cremated and turned into a giant concrete wiffle ball, which will be placed in the ocean for reef creation (eternalreefs.com). I feel that once I die, my body is mere flesh and my spirit no longer has a use for it. (Conversely I may die and that&#8217;s utterly the end, spirit included, so the body is still useless.) I&#8217;d rather that body be used for something positive, either to facilitate new life (by organ donation and/or through eternal reefs) or for education. I&#8217;d be honored.</p>
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		<title>By: magistramorous</title>
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		<dc:creator>magistramorous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erasmussimo, I&#039;d sign that contract: if not sex in life, then, at least, sex after death!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erasmussimo, I&#8217;d sign that contract: if not sex in life, then, at least, sex after death!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/09/13/sex-death-and-art/#comment-31782</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 18:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is such a thing as bad taste and this is quite far into that territory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is such a thing as bad taste and this is quite far into that territory.</p>
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		<title>By: FilthyGrandeur</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/09/13/sex-death-and-art/#comment-31780</link>
		<dc:creator>FilthyGrandeur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i went to see Body Worlds last summer, and will definitely go see this new exhibit should it come to my city.  i get that the purpose is to show raw sexual function and is not intended to be perverse, and i don&#039;t think it&#039;s supposed to imitate pornography.  while it inevitably links death and sex by utilizing actual deceased human bodies, the exhibit illustrates the life cycle beginning at conception.  

i&#039;m not uncomfortable with sexuality either, so i&#039;m not offended.  plus, i also see the artistic merit as bodies as sculptures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i went to see Body Worlds last summer, and will definitely go see this new exhibit should it come to my city.  i get that the purpose is to show raw sexual function and is not intended to be perverse, and i don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s supposed to imitate pornography.  while it inevitably links death and sex by utilizing actual deceased human bodies, the exhibit illustrates the life cycle beginning at conception.  </p>
<p>i&#8217;m not uncomfortable with sexuality either, so i&#8217;m not offended.  plus, i also see the artistic merit as bodies as sculptures.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna K.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/09/13/sex-death-and-art/#comment-31769</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erasmussimo, a couple years ago I read that some of the bodies on display are those of Chinese prisoners.  I doubt informed consent was obtained.   

I won&#039;t be going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erasmussimo, a couple years ago I read that some of the bodies on display are those of Chinese prisoners.  I doubt informed consent was obtained.   </p>
<p>I won&#8217;t be going.</p>
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