<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Would You Want It?</title>
	<atom:link href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/10/08/would-you-want-it/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/10/08/would-you-want-it/</link>
	<description>Where science collides with life, slams into culture, crashes with politics, and gets totaled.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:28:30 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: skeptifem</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/10/08/would-you-want-it/#comment-33234</link>
		<dc:creator>skeptifem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/?p=3292#comment-33234</guid>
		<description>@22. Gross.  Don&#039;t talk about women that way, no one cares what grade or status you assign to her body and its abnormal that you think its an appropriate thing to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@22. Gross.  Don&#8217;t talk about women that way, no one cares what grade or status you assign to her body and its abnormal that you think its an appropriate thing to say.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: skeptifem</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/10/08/would-you-want-it/#comment-33233</link>
		<dc:creator>skeptifem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/?p=3292#comment-33233</guid>
		<description>Uh yeah, until these magazines are getting money from advertisers who do not want their customers to be on a diet there is no change in sight. Currently though, women&#039;s magazines are full of ads for various diet and exercise programs, and for cosmetics and clothes (which also thrive off of the beauty myth). People who feel like crap about their appearance will buy a lot more stuff to try and fix it. We can&#039;t make anything happen by buying more of these magazines. I am pretty enraged that instead of not buying any of this crap at all I am supposed to be so inspired by a magazine daring to have a tiny space devoted to realistic body images when the rest of the magazine is devoted to undoing the work of the tiny piece they so generously gave to american women. The way that they frame the issue is dishonest anyway; every half hearted article I read about &#039;feeling good about your body&#039; in those magazines always says something about how I don&#039;t need to beat myself up for not being a perfect size __, which just supports the idea that the beauty ideals pushed on us are somehow eternal or natural, that whatever size they name is by definition more perfect or beautiful than a different size. They just aren&#039;t, and a look at the history of beauty in our culture or a cross cultural study it becomes obvious that nothing that is unique to the magazine image is necessarily perfect or desirable everywhere, and that those variable qualities make up the vast majority of what we consider conventional beauty in this country.  You can see this bs idea being repeated in the comments here as well as the silly idea that beauty=health (HA!). 

One of these stories comes out every few months anyway, where they show some &#039;real&#039; woman, like the dove campaign or this or jamie lee curtis forever ago without any airbrushing. Its a friggin gimmick, the magazines can&#039;t realistically ditch their advertisers and still make any money. If you need a comparison, check out the price of an adbusters magazine sometime, it was about ten dollars an issue for an ad free magazine when I bought them... I think that was almost a decade ago, so who knows how much it costs now. 


Figuring out what we all like about ourselves without a magazine or some other cultural narrative to dictate perfection to us is the best answer. Demanding that advertisers make you feel better about yourself when they have no incentive to do so and would most likely lose profit as a result is a losing battle.


mko- I don&#039;t know if it is hypocritical when a lot of those &#039;real beauty&#039; ads were selling cellulite cream. You know, that thing over 90% of women have, and was used as a brand new source of insecurity around the 1970&#039;s. You can see the invention of new conditions to avoid all the time in beauty advertising, I mean, I have seen magazines talking about &#039;ugly hand veins&#039; like anyone can work out all the time/get as thin as the ads dictate without their veins showing. veins are airbrushed off of the hands of models most of the time now, because, i guess that women should be concerned about anyone knowing that they contain blood. ? It has always been pretty crazy, but its getting weirder and weirder as time goes on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh yeah, until these magazines are getting money from advertisers who do not want their customers to be on a diet there is no change in sight. Currently though, women&#8217;s magazines are full of ads for various diet and exercise programs, and for cosmetics and clothes (which also thrive off of the beauty myth). People who feel like crap about their appearance will buy a lot more stuff to try and fix it. We can&#8217;t make anything happen by buying more of these magazines. I am pretty enraged that instead of not buying any of this crap at all I am supposed to be so inspired by a magazine daring to have a tiny space devoted to realistic body images when the rest of the magazine is devoted to undoing the work of the tiny piece they so generously gave to american women. The way that they frame the issue is dishonest anyway; every half hearted article I read about &#8216;feeling good about your body&#8217; in those magazines always says something about how I don&#8217;t need to beat myself up for not being a perfect size __, which just supports the idea that the beauty ideals pushed on us are somehow eternal or natural, that whatever size they name is by definition more perfect or beautiful than a different size. They just aren&#8217;t, and a look at the history of beauty in our culture or a cross cultural study it becomes obvious that nothing that is unique to the magazine image is necessarily perfect or desirable everywhere, and that those variable qualities make up the vast majority of what we consider conventional beauty in this country.  You can see this bs idea being repeated in the comments here as well as the silly idea that beauty=health (HA!). </p>
<p>One of these stories comes out every few months anyway, where they show some &#8216;real&#8217; woman, like the dove campaign or this or jamie lee curtis forever ago without any airbrushing. Its a friggin gimmick, the magazines can&#8217;t realistically ditch their advertisers and still make any money. If you need a comparison, check out the price of an adbusters magazine sometime, it was about ten dollars an issue for an ad free magazine when I bought them&#8230; I think that was almost a decade ago, so who knows how much it costs now. </p>
<p>Figuring out what we all like about ourselves without a magazine or some other cultural narrative to dictate perfection to us is the best answer. Demanding that advertisers make you feel better about yourself when they have no incentive to do so and would most likely lose profit as a result is a losing battle.</p>
<p>mko- I don&#8217;t know if it is hypocritical when a lot of those &#8216;real beauty&#8217; ads were selling cellulite cream. You know, that thing over 90% of women have, and was used as a brand new source of insecurity around the 1970&#8242;s. You can see the invention of new conditions to avoid all the time in beauty advertising, I mean, I have seen magazines talking about &#8216;ugly hand veins&#8217; like anyone can work out all the time/get as thin as the ads dictate without their veins showing. veins are airbrushed off of the hands of models most of the time now, because, i guess that women should be concerned about anyone knowing that they contain blood. ? It has always been pretty crazy, but its getting weirder and weirder as time goes on.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: JEM</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/10/08/would-you-want-it/#comment-33160</link>
		<dc:creator>JEM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/?p=3292#comment-33160</guid>
		<description>Any thoughts on the photo appearing in the NYT yesterday of 4 American Marines in Afghanistan?  They are all women! Article title &quot;Afghan War Debate Now Leans to Focus on Al Qaeda&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any thoughts on the photo appearing in the NYT yesterday of 4 American Marines in Afghanistan?  They are all women! Article title &#8220;Afghan War Debate Now Leans to Focus on Al Qaeda&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: mko</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/10/08/would-you-want-it/#comment-33156</link>
		<dc:creator>mko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/?p=3292#comment-33156</guid>
		<description>I find it very hard to stomach the &quot;Dove Campaign For Real Beauty.&quot; As anyone who lives in Asia knows, their most heavily marketed and advertised products in the region are their  &quot;skin whiteners.&quot; The hypocrisy is stunning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it very hard to stomach the &#8220;Dove Campaign For Real Beauty.&#8221; As anyone who lives in Asia knows, their most heavily marketed and advertised products in the region are their  &#8220;skin whiteners.&#8221; The hypocrisy is stunning.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Linette Ancha</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/10/08/would-you-want-it/#comment-33137</link>
		<dc:creator>Linette Ancha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/?p=3292#comment-33137</guid>
		<description>Right on, Sheril!   What an amazing photo!

I agree that much of this IS nonsense.  I wish people would focus on cardiovascular health instead of body image.  THAT would be worthwhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, Sheril!   What an amazing photo!</p>
<p>I agree that much of this IS nonsense.  I wish people would focus on cardiovascular health instead of body image.  THAT would be worthwhile.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Gaythia</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/10/08/would-you-want-it/#comment-33094</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaythia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/?p=3292#comment-33094</guid>
		<description>Bioephmera has an interesting link to a Ralph Lauren advertisement in which they seem to be taking body image off into a very negative direction.  This is especially true if the ad in question influences anyone who already has issues with anorexia or their own body shape.

As said by #19 above, Madison Avenue does play mind games on how women feel about themselves.

The resulting controversy is another example of photoshopping potentially impacting the integrity of the creator, as discussed in the Euginie Samuel Reich posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bioephmera has an interesting link to a Ralph Lauren advertisement in which they seem to be taking body image off into a very negative direction.  This is especially true if the ad in question influences anyone who already has issues with anorexia or their own body shape.</p>
<p>As said by #19 above, Madison Avenue does play mind games on how women feel about themselves.</p>
<p>The resulting controversy is another example of photoshopping potentially impacting the integrity of the creator, as discussed in the Euginie Samuel Reich posting.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Blogger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/10/08/would-you-want-it/#comment-33072</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 04:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/?p=3292#comment-33072</guid>
		<description>Ever seen a pic of Sheril?  Looks like she works at keeping herself roll-free.  

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/files/2009/10/IMG_1928.JPG

(especially in comparison to pics from a while ago)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever seen a pic of Sheril?  Looks like she works at keeping herself roll-free.  </p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/files/2009/10/IMG_1928.JPG" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/files/2009/10/IMG_1928.JPG</a></p>
<p>(especially in comparison to pics from a while ago)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Erasmussimo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/10/08/would-you-want-it/#comment-33042</link>
		<dc:creator>Erasmussimo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/?p=3292#comment-33042</guid>
		<description>I agree, I don&#039;t think men see much difference between &quot;thin&quot; and &quot;normal healthy body fat&quot;. 

Here&#039;s an observation that I&#039;d like to ask everybody about: it seems that most American women fall into two groups:

1. &quot;I&#039;m going to keep my weight to a level that is reasonably attractive to men.&quot;
2. &quot;Screw it. I&#039;ll be as fat as I want.&quot;

That is, I don&#039;t see many women who are just overweight to be noticeable. Yes, there are some, but it seems that the majority of women fall into the above two groups. Here&#039;s another way to state it:

Suppose we built a histogram of the number of women in each class of body mass index. Doesn&#039;t it seem as if that histogram would turn out to be double-peaked?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, I don&#8217;t think men see much difference between &#8220;thin&#8221; and &#8220;normal healthy body fat&#8221;. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an observation that I&#8217;d like to ask everybody about: it seems that most American women fall into two groups:</p>
<p>1. &#8220;I&#8217;m going to keep my weight to a level that is reasonably attractive to men.&#8221;<br />
2. &#8220;Screw it. I&#8217;ll be as fat as I want.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is, I don&#8217;t see many women who are just overweight to be noticeable. Yes, there are some, but it seems that the majority of women fall into the above two groups. Here&#8217;s another way to state it:</p>
<p>Suppose we built a histogram of the number of women in each class of body mass index. Doesn&#8217;t it seem as if that histogram would turn out to be double-peaked?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: lubkin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/10/08/would-you-want-it/#comment-33036</link>
		<dc:creator>lubkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/?p=3292#comment-33036</guid>
		<description>Two thoughts: I don&#039;t know men who are attracted to spindly thin. And there&#039;s a third option, not mentioned in Glamour, this blog entry, or the comments — a fit, athletic body. The curves and grace of a form born of healthy functionality, such as you might see in a woman who was a soldier, police officer, martial artist, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two thoughts: I don&#8217;t know men who are attracted to spindly thin. And there&#8217;s a third option, not mentioned in Glamour, this blog entry, or the comments — a fit, athletic body. The curves and grace of a form born of healthy functionality, such as you might see in a woman who was a soldier, police officer, martial artist, etc.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/10/08/would-you-want-it/#comment-33034</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/?p=3292#comment-33034</guid>
		<description>Madison Avenue and other venues certainly have played great mind games on how women feel about themselves.  I think a woman needs to develop the healthiest self-image and inner confidence of herself, and let that shine through.  That is what makes a person truly beautiful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madison Avenue and other venues certainly have played great mind games on how women feel about themselves.  I think a woman needs to develop the healthiest self-image and inner confidence of herself, and let that shine through.  That is what makes a person truly beautiful.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

<!-- Performance optimized by W3 Total Cache. Learn more: http://www.w3-edge.com/wordpress-plugins/

Minified using disk
Page Caching using disk

Served from: blogs.discovermagazine.com @ 2012-02-14 11:28:44 -->
