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		<title>By: Anna K.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/18/im-actually-with-sarah/#comment-36774</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Paul W., agreed.  People play it as a political card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Paul W., agreed.  People play it as a political card.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/18/im-actually-with-sarah/#comment-36762</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna K,

&lt;i&gt;Even Sarah Palin called it sexist, as Sheril quoted her above.&lt;/i&gt;

I generally agree with you wholeheartedly, but I gotta say, this is beneath you.  When was Sarah Palin ever right about anything?  :-)

Semiseriously, the McCain-Palin camp &amp; their right wing media chorus demonstrated a willingness to hypocritically play the sexism card during the campaign.  They said outrageous stuff about how the liberals would make sexist criticisms of Palin in ways &lt;i&gt;they never would&lt;/i&gt;---easily refuted by miles of footage and tape of right wing pundits talking about Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, etc.

They&#039;re perfectly happy to be anti-feminist most of the time and play the martyred feminist card when it&#039;s to their advantage.

IIRC Jon Stewart had a funny bit showing &lt;i&gt;the very same pundits&lt;/i&gt; defending Palin against that ghastly sexism (mostly but not entirely imagined) and, in old footage, gleefully calling liberal women &quot;shrill,&quot; etc., implying that their looks were unacceptable, etc.

And of course, on right wing radio during the Clinton Years, there were years of frequent call-ins where the callers would talk about how &lt;i&gt;ugly&lt;/i&gt; Hillary Clinton was, suggestions that she was probably a lesbian because of her &quot;unfeminine&quot; speech, etc.  

(Remember the whole travesty about Hillary&#039;s comment about being too busy with politics to stay home baking cookies, and then having to publicly &lt;i&gt;bake cookies&lt;/i&gt; to prove she wasn&#039;t anti-housewife?)

I throw up a little in my mouth just thinking about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna K,</p>
<p><i>Even Sarah Palin called it sexist, as Sheril quoted her above.</i></p>
<p>I generally agree with you wholeheartedly, but I gotta say, this is beneath you.  When was Sarah Palin ever right about anything?  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Semiseriously, the McCain-Palin camp &#038; their right wing media chorus demonstrated a willingness to hypocritically play the sexism card during the campaign.  They said outrageous stuff about how the liberals would make sexist criticisms of Palin in ways <i>they never would</i>&#8212;easily refuted by miles of footage and tape of right wing pundits talking about Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, etc.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re perfectly happy to be anti-feminist most of the time and play the martyred feminist card when it&#8217;s to their advantage.</p>
<p>IIRC Jon Stewart had a funny bit showing <i>the very same pundits</i> defending Palin against that ghastly sexism (mostly but not entirely imagined) and, in old footage, gleefully calling liberal women &#8220;shrill,&#8221; etc., implying that their looks were unacceptable, etc.</p>
<p>And of course, on right wing radio during the Clinton Years, there were years of frequent call-ins where the callers would talk about how <i>ugly</i> Hillary Clinton was, suggestions that she was probably a lesbian because of her &#8220;unfeminine&#8221; speech, etc.  </p>
<p>(Remember the whole travesty about Hillary&#8217;s comment about being too busy with politics to stay home baking cookies, and then having to publicly <i>bake cookies</i> to prove she wasn&#8217;t anti-housewife?)</p>
<p>I throw up a little in my mouth just thinking about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gus Snarp</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/18/im-actually-with-sarah/#comment-36759</link>
		<dc:creator>Gus Snarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paul W. - Yeah, that&#039;s what happens when I comment late, I get long winded and unintelligible.  What you said is really the point I meant to make - it&#039;s the hypocrisy that bothers me most (although I have been so indoctrinated into respect for the flag that I do cringe when I see some of these things).  I would rather see an honest protester burn the flag than see a supposed red-blooded, patriotic American treat it casually with no regard for the rules, like Palin does in this picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul W. &#8211; Yeah, that&#8217;s what happens when I comment late, I get long winded and unintelligible.  What you said is really the point I meant to make &#8211; it&#8217;s the hypocrisy that bothers me most (although I have been so indoctrinated into respect for the flag that I do cringe when I see some of these things).  I would rather see an honest protester burn the flag than see a supposed red-blooded, patriotic American treat it casually with no regard for the rules, like Palin does in this picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/18/im-actually-with-sarah/#comment-36756</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gus... no problem.  It happens.

FWIW, I suspect that the part of the U.S. Code you cite doesn&#039;t actually create laws in the normal sense, with penalties and stuff.  I think that section is mainly a bunch of definitions---what the state seal and flag consist of, what proper handling of the flag consist of, etc.

I could be wrong, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s generally illegal to handle the flag &quot;improperly&quot; by all those persnickety rules.

And personally, I don&#039;t really care about flag handling.  As far as I&#039;m concerned, if you buy a flag,  it&#039;s your property to do with as you please.  Certainly you can burn it, but you can also drape it over a chair and lean on it, or cut a hole in it and wear it as a poncho.

What I don&#039;t like is all the right-wing hypocrisy about it.  (If Obama draped a flag casually over a chair and leaned on it to model clothing, it would be all over Fox as a demonstration of his lack of patriotism and maybe even unAmericanism.)

I think it&#039;s ridiculous that we treat symbols as though they were literally sacred.  (And there&#039;s something weird in the code about how we should treat the flag as though it were a person.  When we start according symbols the regard due to persons, something is way, way wrong.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gus&#8230; no problem.  It happens.</p>
<p>FWIW, I suspect that the part of the U.S. Code you cite doesn&#8217;t actually create laws in the normal sense, with penalties and stuff.  I think that section is mainly a bunch of definitions&#8212;what the state seal and flag consist of, what proper handling of the flag consist of, etc.</p>
<p>I could be wrong, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s generally illegal to handle the flag &#8220;improperly&#8221; by all those persnickety rules.</p>
<p>And personally, I don&#8217;t really care about flag handling.  As far as I&#8217;m concerned, if you buy a flag,  it&#8217;s your property to do with as you please.  Certainly you can burn it, but you can also drape it over a chair and lean on it, or cut a hole in it and wear it as a poncho.</p>
<p>What I don&#8217;t like is all the right-wing hypocrisy about it.  (If Obama draped a flag casually over a chair and leaned on it to model clothing, it would be all over Fox as a demonstration of his lack of patriotism and maybe even unAmericanism.)</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s ridiculous that we treat symbols as though they were literally sacred.  (And there&#8217;s something weird in the code about how we should treat the flag as though it were a person.  When we start according symbols the regard due to persons, something is way, way wrong.)</p>
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		<title>By: Gus Snarp</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/18/im-actually-with-sarah/#comment-36750</link>
		<dc:creator>Gus Snarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, really, sorry about that.  Remind me not to comment on blogs past my bed time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, really, sorry about that.  Remind me not to comment on blogs past my bed time.</p>
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		<title>By: Gus Snarp</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/18/im-actually-with-sarah/#comment-36665</link>
		<dc:creator>Gus Snarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy have I gone off topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy have I gone off topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Gus Snarp</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/18/im-actually-with-sarah/#comment-36664</link>
		<dc:creator>Gus Snarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Laura -  OK, a stagehand caught it.  He still threw it.  I don&#039;t really care if he&#039;s patriotic or not, he&#039;s a sweaty rocker doing a humping dance while wearing an American flag with a hole cut in it.  Then he flings it off behind him as if it is meaningless.  That&#039;s showing disrespect to the flag.  It&#039;s also illegal.  This is what I mean though, we&#039;ve forgotten how to be respectful, forgotten all the rules, as long as we&#039;re flaunting our own personal patriotism for the crowd, who cares how the flag is supposed to be treated.  If you aren&#039;t patriotic and you treat the flag badly, I actually don&#039;t mind so much.  What bothers me is people who claim to be patriotic, but can&#039;t be bothered to learn proper flag handling.

UNITED STATES CODE
TITLE 36
CHAPTER 10
§ 176. 
(d)The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. 
(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. 
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Laura &#8211;  OK, a stagehand caught it.  He still threw it.  I don&#8217;t really care if he&#8217;s patriotic or not, he&#8217;s a sweaty rocker doing a humping dance while wearing an American flag with a hole cut in it.  Then he flings it off behind him as if it is meaningless.  That&#8217;s showing disrespect to the flag.  It&#8217;s also illegal.  This is what I mean though, we&#8217;ve forgotten how to be respectful, forgotten all the rules, as long as we&#8217;re flaunting our own personal patriotism for the crowd, who cares how the flag is supposed to be treated.  If you aren&#8217;t patriotic and you treat the flag badly, I actually don&#8217;t mind so much.  What bothers me is people who claim to be patriotic, but can&#8217;t be bothered to learn proper flag handling.</p>
<p>UNITED STATES CODE<br />
TITLE 36<br />
CHAPTER 10<br />
§ 176.<br />
(d)The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery.<br />
(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.<br />
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.<br />
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard.<br />
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna K.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/18/im-actually-with-sarah/#comment-36656</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ bilbo, #52 or so,

Being in shape and exercising is not the issue here, nor is exercising unpresidential.  Heaven knows we&#039;ve got plenty of photos over the last twenty years of presidents exercising, even in running shorts.  

It&#039;s Newsweek&#039;s use of that particular photo -- which is not of Sarah Palin actually running or exercising, but is of Palin modeling exercise togs -- to illustrate an article about her impact in politics.   The problem is the context.

Even Sarah Palin called it sexist, as Sheril quoted her above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ bilbo, #52 or so,</p>
<p>Being in shape and exercising is not the issue here, nor is exercising unpresidential.  Heaven knows we&#8217;ve got plenty of photos over the last twenty years of presidents exercising, even in running shorts.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s Newsweek&#8217;s use of that particular photo &#8212; which is not of Sarah Palin actually running or exercising, but is of Palin modeling exercise togs &#8212; to illustrate an article about her impact in politics.   The problem is the context.</p>
<p>Even Sarah Palin called it sexist, as Sheril quoted her above.</p>
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		<title>By: bilbo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/18/im-actually-with-sarah/#comment-36639</link>
		<dc:creator>bilbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I would speculate that given that most mainstream media people are not Sarah Palin-style evangelical conservatives, there may be a strong temptation to make her look like a lightweight who is unpresidential&lt;/i&gt;

Forgive me if I don&#039;t find a person being in shape and frequent exerciser &quot;unpresidential.&quot;

Don&#039;t get me wrong - Palin&#039;s a nutjob and not fit for office, but because she dons running shorts evey so often isn&#039;t one of the reasons why she&#039;s not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I would speculate that given that most mainstream media people are not Sarah Palin-style evangelical conservatives, there may be a strong temptation to make her look like a lightweight who is unpresidential</i></p>
<p>Forgive me if I don&#8217;t find a person being in shape and frequent exerciser &#8220;unpresidential.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8211; Palin&#8217;s a nutjob and not fit for office, but because she dons running shorts evey so often isn&#8217;t one of the reasons why she&#8217;s not.</p>
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		<title>By: Erasmussimo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/18/im-actually-with-sarah/#comment-36608</link>
		<dc:creator>Erasmussimo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blogger, that&#039;s useful information. If indeed the report is true and the photographer violated their contract, I think that Ms. Palin should sue them for breach of contract. Unfortunately, she&#039;ll get bad press for pursuing such a course and she can&#039;t collect much from the photographer. I may not like Ms. Palin&#039;s politics, but I readily condemn any gross breach of contract such as this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blogger, that&#8217;s useful information. If indeed the report is true and the photographer violated their contract, I think that Ms. Palin should sue them for breach of contract. Unfortunately, she&#8217;ll get bad press for pursuing such a course and she can&#8217;t collect much from the photographer. I may not like Ms. Palin&#8217;s politics, but I readily condemn any gross breach of contract such as this.</p>
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