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		<title>By: Noel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/30/my-latest-podcast-at-books-and-ideas/comment-page-2/#comment-41132</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 01:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phew. I just finished reading this entire thread. 

Well done, Paul; your arguments are both illuminating and entertaining. 

Pity the same can&#039;t be said for your &#039;opponents&#039;. If this were a boxing match you&#039;d be walking away unblemished, while the others would be flat-out on their backs, feebly crying &quot;we win&quot; (the Black Knight scene from the Holy Grail would work here too).

*applause*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phew. I just finished reading this entire thread. </p>
<p>Well done, Paul; your arguments are both illuminating and entertaining. </p>
<p>Pity the same can&#8217;t be said for your &#8216;opponents&#8217;. If this were a boxing match you&#8217;d be walking away unblemished, while the others would be flat-out on their backs, feebly crying &#8220;we win&#8221; (the Black Knight scene from the Holy Grail would work here too).</p>
<p>*applause*</p>
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		<title>By: Paul W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/30/my-latest-podcast-at-books-and-ideas/comment-page-2/#comment-40302</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spinozaist_4,

I followed up in the other thread with another comment, clarifying Mooney and Kirschenbaum&#039;s apparent inconsistency and hypocrisy about basic philosophy of science and religion.

(Basically, they seem just fine with science-of-religion stuff from Wade and Wilson that they reject and condescendingly vilify when the New Atheists say the very same things.)

That may just be gilding the lily of Bone of Contention #1, or it might clarify something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spinozaist_4,</p>
<p>I followed up in the other thread with another comment, clarifying Mooney and Kirschenbaum&#8217;s apparent inconsistency and hypocrisy about basic philosophy of science and religion.</p>
<p>(Basically, they seem just fine with science-of-religion stuff from Wade and Wilson that they reject and condescendingly vilify when the New Atheists say the very same things.)</p>
<p>That may just be gilding the lily of Bone of Contention #1, or it might clarify something.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/30/my-latest-podcast-at-books-and-ideas/comment-page-2/#comment-40270</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You, on the other hand seem to be taking quite a lot of time away from grant-writing for your thread-filling and turgid rants.&lt;/i&gt;

No, at present I&#039;m doing a bunch of stuff that gives me a few minutes slack several times an hour.  Hard to get serious work done in those little slack periods.   (Or to tighten up my comments here... it&#039;s easier to reel off a longish response in a few minutes than to carefully structure and edit one... and if nobody&#039;s going to bother to answer even one question, that&#039;s too much work.)

I notice you&#039;re still dodging the relevant questions.   (Pointedly failing to answer a question and gloating about it is hardly ignoring it---or if you call that &quot;ignoring,&quot; okay, whatever, but it&#039;s still dodging.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You, on the other hand seem to be taking quite a lot of time away from grant-writing for your thread-filling and turgid rants.</i></p>
<p>No, at present I&#8217;m doing a bunch of stuff that gives me a few minutes slack several times an hour.  Hard to get serious work done in those little slack periods.   (Or to tighten up my comments here&#8230; it&#8217;s easier to reel off a longish response in a few minutes than to carefully structure and edit one&#8230; and if nobody&#8217;s going to bother to answer even one question, that&#8217;s too much work.)</p>
<p>I notice you&#8217;re still dodging the relevant questions.   (Pointedly failing to answer a question and gloating about it is hardly ignoring it&#8212;or if you call that &#8220;ignoring,&#8221; okay, whatever, but it&#8217;s still dodging.)</p>
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		<title>By: Vindrisi</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/30/my-latest-podcast-at-books-and-ideas/comment-page-2/#comment-40233</link>
		<dc:creator>Vindrisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You basically admit that you have nothing better to do than poke at me to get a reaction...

No, I have plenty of better things to do, but it a nice distraction here and there through the day as I work on editing a tricky paper.  As I said, you are quite entertaining.  Besides, pokes don&#039;t take long.  You, on the other hand seem to be taking quite a lot of time away from grant-writing for your thread-filling and turgid rants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You basically admit that you have nothing better to do than poke at me to get a reaction&#8230;</p>
<p>No, I have plenty of better things to do, but it a nice distraction here and there through the day as I work on editing a tricky paper.  As I said, you are quite entertaining.  Besides, pokes don&#8217;t take long.  You, on the other hand seem to be taking quite a lot of time away from grant-writing for your thread-filling and turgid rants.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/30/my-latest-podcast-at-books-and-ideas/comment-page-2/#comment-40217</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 05:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vindrisi,

Wait a second...

You basically admit that you have nothing better to do than poke at me to get a reaction, rather than ever addressing anything I actually say...

...and bilbo is over in the &quot;An Armistice in the Religious Wars&quot; thread ranting about my supposed &lt;i&gt;bloody stumps&lt;/i&gt;... WTF?...

But &lt;i&gt;you&#039;re&lt;/i&gt; talking about &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; &quot;barely contained rage&quot;?

I think you must be misreading my tone!

*snicker*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vindrisi,</p>
<p>Wait a second&#8230;</p>
<p>You basically admit that you have nothing better to do than poke at me to get a reaction, rather than ever addressing anything I actually say&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;and bilbo is over in the &#8220;An Armistice in the Religious Wars&#8221; thread ranting about my supposed <i>bloody stumps</i>&#8230; WTF?&#8230;</p>
<p>But <i>you&#8217;re</i> talking about <i>my</i> &#8220;barely contained rage&#8221;?</p>
<p>I think you must be misreading my tone!</p>
<p>*snicker*</p>
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		<title>By: Paul W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/30/my-latest-podcast-at-books-and-ideas/comment-page-2/#comment-40202</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spinozaist_4,

Here&#039;s an explanation of the first major bone of contention:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/19/more-of-stephen-meyers-bad-history-of-science/#comment-37346

My latest comment in the &quot;An Armistice in the Religious Wars&quot; thread is essentially an illustration of that:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/02/an-armistice-in-the-religious-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-40140</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spinozaist_4,</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an explanation of the first major bone of contention:</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/19/more-of-stephen-meyers-bad-history-of-science/#comment-37346" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/19/more-of-stephen-meyers-bad-history-of-science/#comment-37346</a></p>
<p>My latest comment in the &#8220;An Armistice in the Religious Wars&#8221; thread is essentially an illustration of that:</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/02/an-armistice-in-the-religious-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-40140" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/02/an-armistice-in-the-religious-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-40140</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vindrisi</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/30/my-latest-podcast-at-books-and-ideas/comment-page-2/#comment-40101</link>
		<dc:creator>Vindrisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t read, can you, Paul?  I&#039;m ignoring your questions.  They had nothing to do with the point I made above, they aren&#039;t interesting, and the fact that you just keep demanding them be answered doesn&#039;t change that.  But, I am not ignoring you (how on Earth could I?  You are most of the thread!).  I don&#039;t it is possible to have a rational conversation with you because you off in some delusional world of your own that cannot be penetrated by anyone else, so I don&#039;t bother with even trying to do so with you.  That is not the same as ignoring you.  On the contrary, you are fun to observe and poke in order to test hypotheses about your state of mind and thought processes.  What is wonderful is that a tiny little poke provokes so much reaction,  even to the point of getting enormous mountains of disjointed, incoherent verbiage that betrays a dogmatic certainty and barely contained rage.  It is so amusing to observe and study!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t read, can you, Paul?  I&#8217;m ignoring your questions.  They had nothing to do with the point I made above, they aren&#8217;t interesting, and the fact that you just keep demanding them be answered doesn&#8217;t change that.  But, I am not ignoring you (how on Earth could I?  You are most of the thread!).  I don&#8217;t it is possible to have a rational conversation with you because you off in some delusional world of your own that cannot be penetrated by anyone else, so I don&#8217;t bother with even trying to do so with you.  That is not the same as ignoring you.  On the contrary, you are fun to observe and poke in order to test hypotheses about your state of mind and thought processes.  What is wonderful is that a tiny little poke provokes so much reaction,  even to the point of getting enormous mountains of disjointed, incoherent verbiage that betrays a dogmatic certainty and barely contained rage.  It is so amusing to observe and study!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/30/my-latest-podcast-at-books-and-ideas/comment-page-2/#comment-40097</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vindrisi: &lt;i&gt;Ignoring is not dodging.&lt;/i&gt;

Repeatedly, pointedly saying that you&#039;re ignoring someone is not ignoring them.  (What, are you five or something?)

If you keep telling me you won&#039;t talk to me, I&#039;ll have a hard time believing you.  (How can I miss you if you won&#039;t go away?)

Do feel free to actually &lt;i&gt;ignore&lt;/i&gt; me.

Saying you&#039;re ignoring people, and insulting them, while refusing to answer any serious questions, and excusing it with an ad hominem... well, that&#039;s not &lt;i&gt;ignoring&lt;/i&gt;.  It is &lt;i&gt;dodging&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vindrisi: <i>Ignoring is not dodging.</i></p>
<p>Repeatedly, pointedly saying that you&#8217;re ignoring someone is not ignoring them.  (What, are you five or something?)</p>
<p>If you keep telling me you won&#8217;t talk to me, I&#8217;ll have a hard time believing you.  (How can I miss you if you won&#8217;t go away?)</p>
<p>Do feel free to actually <i>ignore</i> me.</p>
<p>Saying you&#8217;re ignoring people, and insulting them, while refusing to answer any serious questions, and excusing it with an ad hominem&#8230; well, that&#8217;s not <i>ignoring</i>.  It is <i>dodging</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Spinozaist _4</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/30/my-latest-podcast-at-books-and-ideas/comment-page-2/#comment-40096</link>
		<dc:creator>Spinozaist _4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Not even once has any of you answered either of my questions about the two major bones of contention.&quot;

What are those two bones, Paul?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not even once has any of you answered either of my questions about the two major bones of contention.&#8221;</p>
<p>What are those two bones, Paul?</p>
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		<title>By: Vindrisi</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/30/my-latest-podcast-at-books-and-ideas/comment-page-2/#comment-40090</link>
		<dc:creator>Vindrisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...keep dodging the same damned questions you’ve always determinedly dodged...&quot;

Ignoring is not dodging.  I&#039;m not surprised you don&#039;t know the difference between the two concepts, though.  You seem to have a knack for living in your own reality.  And in that reality, you see to think you have dealt with me for far longer than you have.  What color is the sky in Paul W. world?  Of are your Overton Windows so polarized you can&#039;t really tell any more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;keep dodging the same damned questions you’ve always determinedly dodged&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Ignoring is not dodging.  I&#8217;m not surprised you don&#8217;t know the difference between the two concepts, though.  You seem to have a knack for living in your own reality.  And in that reality, you see to think you have dealt with me for far longer than you have.  What color is the sky in Paul W. world?  Of are your Overton Windows so polarized you can&#8217;t really tell any more?</p>
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