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		<title>By: CST</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/02/cru-hack-latest/#comment-40553</link>
		<dc:creator>CST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 05:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jallen, from an IT perspective I would bet a computer was compromised by some form of malware that allowed a backdoor to be opened up.  Once your on the same network as that email/file server.  You&#039;d be amazed how poor information security is at &quot;institutions&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jallen, from an IT perspective I would bet a computer was compromised by some form of malware that allowed a backdoor to be opened up.  Once your on the same network as that email/file server.  You&#8217;d be amazed how poor information security is at &#8220;institutions&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: bilbo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/02/cru-hack-latest/#comment-40285</link>
		<dc:creator>bilbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It was a closed-loop system comprised of several dozen researchers in an incestuous, self-affirming academic relationship. &lt;/i&gt;

Please tell me &quot;it&quot; doesn&#039;t refer to &quot;climate research&quot; in that quite, jallen (I love dangling promouns - they&#039;re so...vague!!). &#039;cause if it does, you need to learn a LOT about who is doing climate research and how it&#039;s being done. (Hint: it&#039;s not just &quot;several dozen researchers&quot; who all know each other).

Try again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It was a closed-loop system comprised of several dozen researchers in an incestuous, self-affirming academic relationship. </i></p>
<p>Please tell me &#8220;it&#8221; doesn&#8217;t refer to &#8220;climate research&#8221; in that quite, jallen (I love dangling promouns &#8211; they&#8217;re so&#8230;vague!!). &#8217;cause if it does, you need to learn a LOT about who is doing climate research and how it&#8217;s being done. (Hint: it&#8217;s not just &#8220;several dozen researchers&#8221; who all know each other).</p>
<p>Try again.</p>
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		<title>By: jallen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/02/cru-hack-latest/#comment-40207</link>
		<dc:creator>jallen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any data that did not corroborate the pre-conceived conclusion was presumed to be false. Instead, the model is assumed to be correct and the data is assumed to be in error. 

However, data fabrication and algorithm manipulation are not the only important issues here: 

The travesty is that they were peer-reviewing each other&#039;s work! They had control of their own process. It was a closed-loop system comprised of several dozen researchers in an incestuous, self-affirming academic relationship. 

Also...

Consider - The emails were not a result of a hacker&#039;s activity.  They were also not going to be produced under a FOIA request.

Rather, they are the residual emails comprising those which had already been *sanitized* from the CRU systems to illegally prepare an incomplete reponse for a future (likely successful) FOIA request.  

Note that there is a very small percentage of personal chatter that typically make up close colleague&#039;s communication. Therefore, it points to a previous culling.

Theory: These are deleted emails from a sanitized batch which were foolishly or purposely archived and/or discovered by an insider (perhaps the sanitizer himself).  The insider then had pangs of conscience or an axe to grind and released them surreptitiously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any data that did not corroborate the pre-conceived conclusion was presumed to be false. Instead, the model is assumed to be correct and the data is assumed to be in error. </p>
<p>However, data fabrication and algorithm manipulation are not the only important issues here: </p>
<p>The travesty is that they were peer-reviewing each other&#8217;s work! They had control of their own process. It was a closed-loop system comprised of several dozen researchers in an incestuous, self-affirming academic relationship. </p>
<p>Also&#8230;</p>
<p>Consider &#8211; The emails were not a result of a hacker&#8217;s activity.  They were also not going to be produced under a FOIA request.</p>
<p>Rather, they are the residual emails comprising those which had already been *sanitized* from the CRU systems to illegally prepare an incomplete reponse for a future (likely successful) FOIA request.  </p>
<p>Note that there is a very small percentage of personal chatter that typically make up close colleague&#8217;s communication. Therefore, it points to a previous culling.</p>
<p>Theory: These are deleted emails from a sanitized batch which were foolishly or purposely archived and/or discovered by an insider (perhaps the sanitizer himself).  The insider then had pangs of conscience or an axe to grind and released them surreptitiously.</p>
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		<title>By: bilbo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/02/cru-hack-latest/#comment-40204</link>
		<dc:creator>bilbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thoughtcrime is enough when you&#039;ve got a predetermined conclusion to reinforce. 

For the rest of us: not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoughtcrime is enough when you&#8217;ve got a predetermined conclusion to reinforce. </p>
<p>For the rest of us: not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: observer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/02/cru-hack-latest/#comment-40199</link>
		<dc:creator>observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jinchi wins this argument. Well stated and thoughtful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jinchi wins this argument. Well stated and thoughtful.</p>
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		<title>By: TTT</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/02/cru-hack-latest/#comment-40171</link>
		<dc:creator>TTT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Suggested? No, he was asked and replied that he would&lt;/i&gt;

And there&#039;s no proof he DID.  So you&#039;ve got nothing, except thoughtcrime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Suggested? No, he was asked and replied that he would</i></p>
<p>And there&#8217;s no proof he DID.  So you&#8217;ve got nothing, except thoughtcrime.</p>
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		<title>By: bilbo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/02/cru-hack-latest/#comment-40161</link>
		<dc:creator>bilbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I was able to reverse engineered the East Anglia CRU Scientific Methodology from the procedures documented in the purloined e-mails and code&lt;/i&gt;

But alas, you&#039;re unable to engineer the most basic rules of English grammar.

Predictable? Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I was able to reverse engineered the East Anglia CRU Scientific Methodology from the procedures documented in the purloined e-mails and code</i></p>
<p>But alas, you&#8217;re unable to engineer the most basic rules of English grammar.</p>
<p>Predictable? Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/02/cru-hack-latest/#comment-40146</link>
		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Phil Jones stepped aside as &lt;strike&gt;Director&lt;/strike&gt; High Priest of the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit pending an investigation. Well, if his GW warming projections don&#039;t hold up, at least he knows that his legacy  will live on with his groundbreaking New &amp; Improved CRU Scientific Method.  I was able to  reverse engineered the &lt;a href=&quot;http://westanddivided.blogspot.com/2009/12/university-of-east-anglia-climatic.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;East Anglia CRU Scientific Methodology&lt;/a&gt; from the procedures documented in the purloined e-mails and code. It is clear to me that they have built on the work of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theonion.com/content/node/49180&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;maverick chemist Theodore Hapner&lt;/a&gt;, who revolutionized thinking about the scientific method in 2006. Godspeed Phil Jones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Phil Jones stepped aside as <strike>Director</strike> High Priest of the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit pending an investigation. Well, if his GW warming projections don&#8217;t hold up, at least he knows that his legacy  will live on with his groundbreaking New &#038; Improved CRU Scientific Method.  I was able to  reverse engineered the <a href="http://westanddivided.blogspot.com/2009/12/university-of-east-anglia-climatic.html" rel="nofollow">East Anglia CRU Scientific Methodology</a> from the procedures documented in the purloined e-mails and code. It is clear to me that they have built on the work of <a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/node/49180" rel="nofollow">maverick chemist Theodore Hapner</a>, who revolutionized thinking about the scientific method in 2006. Godspeed Phil Jones.</p>
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		<title>By: some guy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/02/cru-hack-latest/#comment-40099</link>
		<dc:creator>some guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, learn statistical analysis before commenting =__=

4, 5, or 6 dots on your graph don&#039;t mean much of front of 1000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, learn statistical analysis before commenting =__=</p>
<p>4, 5, or 6 dots on your graph don&#8217;t mean much of front of 1000.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/02/cru-hack-latest/#comment-40092</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Wow, Jon, you’re pretty angry.&lt;/i&gt;

If I am, Doug, why do you think that might be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Wow, Jon, you’re pretty angry.</i></p>
<p>If I am, Doug, why do you think that might be?</p>
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