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		<title>By: ER Johnson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/02/why-climategate-is-something/#comment-33648</link>
		<dc:creator>ER Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some identified problems with the models:

http://bit.ly/3Ud0ts

The question remains -- given these issues, how accurate are they -- really -- in &quot;crystal balling&quot; future climate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some identified problems with the models:</p>
<p><a href="http://bit.ly/3Ud0ts" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/3Ud0ts</a></p>
<p>The question remains &#8212; given these issues, how accurate are they &#8212; really &#8212; in &#8220;crystal balling&#8221; future climate?</p>
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		<title>By: ehmoran</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/02/why-climategate-is-something/#comment-33647</link>
		<dc:creator>ehmoran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 04:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All Right, let&#039;s get to the nitty-gritty here:

I still want to see the laboratory experiment publication showing CO2 levels influence ambient temperatures. This question has always been avoided.

Also, scientists measured CO2 levels from Mt. Redoudt at 10,000 tons/day during the last eruption. How in the heck are you going to stop that?

When the relation between CO2 and temperatures were recently restudied, the data came from Hawaii about 2 miles from the active flowing volcano. Hmmm, Volcanoes produce large quantities of CO2. Hmmmm, lava is extremely hot. No bias there……..

Specific heat capacity water – 4.187 kJ/kgK
Specific heat capacity water vapor – 1.996 kJ/kgK
Specific heat capacity carbon dioxide at 300 (80 degrees F) kelvin – 0.846 kJ/kgK

Atmospheric concentration
Water vapor – 4% in upper atmosphere to 40% near the surface
CO2 – 0.036%

CO2 has been shown NOT to redirect energy back to the Earth’s Surface.

So, what’s up with these numbers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All Right, let&#8217;s get to the nitty-gritty here:</p>
<p>I still want to see the laboratory experiment publication showing CO2 levels influence ambient temperatures. This question has always been avoided.</p>
<p>Also, scientists measured CO2 levels from Mt. Redoudt at 10,000 tons/day during the last eruption. How in the heck are you going to stop that?</p>
<p>When the relation between CO2 and temperatures were recently restudied, the data came from Hawaii about 2 miles from the active flowing volcano. Hmmm, Volcanoes produce large quantities of CO2. Hmmmm, lava is extremely hot. No bias there……..</p>
<p>Specific heat capacity water – 4.187 kJ/kgK<br />
Specific heat capacity water vapor – 1.996 kJ/kgK<br />
Specific heat capacity carbon dioxide at 300 (80 degrees F) kelvin – 0.846 kJ/kgK</p>
<p>Atmospheric concentration<br />
Water vapor – 4% in upper atmosphere to 40% near the surface<br />
CO2 – 0.036%</p>
<p>CO2 has been shown NOT to redirect energy back to the Earth’s Surface.</p>
<p>So, what’s up with these numbers</p>
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		<title>By: ER Johnson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/02/why-climategate-is-something/#comment-33646</link>
		<dc:creator>ER Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 04:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jinchi --

who is &quot;we&quot;?  you  refer to &quot;we&quot; in your posts, instead of &quot;I&quot;.  Are you a &quot;group&quot; / &quot;pack&quot; or an &quot;individual&quot; making the posts?  Just curious.

And very nice website / blog you have.  Not exactly Science that you cover though -- seems to just be all about bashing the Right.  I am sure, certain, that is a mere coincidence though -- and that your politics would never, couldn&#039;t possibly modulate your interpretation of the science.  Good on you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jinchi &#8211;</p>
<p>who is &#8220;we&#8221;?  you  refer to &#8220;we&#8221; in your posts, instead of &#8220;I&#8221;.  Are you a &#8220;group&#8221; / &#8220;pack&#8221; or an &#8220;individual&#8221; making the posts?  Just curious.</p>
<p>And very nice website / blog you have.  Not exactly Science that you cover though &#8212; seems to just be all about bashing the Right.  I am sure, certain, that is a mere coincidence though &#8212; and that your politics would never, couldn&#8217;t possibly modulate your interpretation of the science.  Good on you!</p>
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		<title>By: Jinchi</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/02/why-climategate-is-something/#comment-33645</link>
		<dc:creator>Jinchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Specific scientists have placed themselves in the position of Gods. &lt;/i&gt;

Can you see why we have trouble taking you seriously?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Specific scientists have placed themselves in the position of Gods. </i></p>
<p>Can you see why we have trouble taking you seriously?</p>
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		<title>By: bilbo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/02/why-climategate-is-something/#comment-33644</link>
		<dc:creator>bilbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Bilbo, do you believe that the CRU and/or GISS temperature records are replicable?&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s a reeeaaaaaaallllllly vague statement that needs some clarifying before it can be answered, Sean. What do you mean by &quot;replicable?&quot; Do you mean &quot;replicable&quot; as in:

1.) another climate scientist with the correct background knowledge/training could repeat the analysis?

or 2.) we should be able to create a fake Earth, let it run for 6 billion years, and then go crank out some tree ring data and ice cores?

And if you don&#039;t understand what I&#039;m talking about, you likely don&#039;t have business asking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Bilbo, do you believe that the CRU and/or GISS temperature records are replicable?</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s a reeeaaaaaaallllllly vague statement that needs some clarifying before it can be answered, Sean. What do you mean by &#8220;replicable?&#8221; Do you mean &#8220;replicable&#8221; as in:</p>
<p>1.) another climate scientist with the correct background knowledge/training could repeat the analysis?</p>
<p>or 2.) we should be able to create a fake Earth, let it run for 6 billion years, and then go crank out some tree ring data and ice cores?</p>
<p>And if you don&#8217;t understand what I&#8217;m talking about, you likely don&#8217;t have business asking.</p>
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		<title>By: ER Johnson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/02/why-climategate-is-something/#comment-33643</link>
		<dc:creator>ER Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Name calling is the last resort in a failed argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Name calling is the last resort in a failed argument.</p>
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		<title>By: ehmoran</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/02/why-climategate-is-something/#comment-33642</link>
		<dc:creator>ehmoran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Specific scientists have placed themselves in the position of Gods. Having used their influence granted through more than $40-million from the tax payers, they have abused the trust afforded to them placing a dark cloud over the scientific community as a whole. Surely, science will recover from this event as time heals all wounds.

‘Truth is the daughter of time’ was forgotten by this specific Scientific Fiefdom, but acknowledgment of other traditional philosophies which built science to the current respect also have been ignored, such as “Science has no place in politics, religion, entertainment, fame and wealth”. Often, however, such important socially advancing fields as science need set backs and thus force both current and potential abusers to fall back to traditional thinking. This is the nature in the evolution of human thought and growth.

The hubris of denial by these abusers of social trust, along with their followers, of the devastating magnitude of their deceptive and deviant activity, while trying to maintain their stature in civilization, is incomprehensible. This denial will continue dragging the entire scientific community into the pit. Unfortunately, a self awakened reality of their misdeeds likely will not appear until admission followed by humility becomes obvious to society. Forgiveness is the divinity of our civilization but forgetting never can be allowed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Specific scientists have placed themselves in the position of Gods. Having used their influence granted through more than $40-million from the tax payers, they have abused the trust afforded to them placing a dark cloud over the scientific community as a whole. Surely, science will recover from this event as time heals all wounds.</p>
<p>‘Truth is the daughter of time’ was forgotten by this specific Scientific Fiefdom, but acknowledgment of other traditional philosophies which built science to the current respect also have been ignored, such as “Science has no place in politics, religion, entertainment, fame and wealth”. Often, however, such important socially advancing fields as science need set backs and thus force both current and potential abusers to fall back to traditional thinking. This is the nature in the evolution of human thought and growth.</p>
<p>The hubris of denial by these abusers of social trust, along with their followers, of the devastating magnitude of their deceptive and deviant activity, while trying to maintain their stature in civilization, is incomprehensible. This denial will continue dragging the entire scientific community into the pit. Unfortunately, a self awakened reality of their misdeeds likely will not appear until admission followed by humility becomes obvious to society. Forgiveness is the divinity of our civilization but forgetting never can be allowed.</p>
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		<title>By: Cayman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/02/why-climategate-is-something/#comment-33641</link>
		<dc:creator>Cayman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No surprise hear, really,  The man-made global warming movement has only fraud and deception to keep it going.  They rely heavily on the power of half truths and technicality.  For example, if one empties a glass of water into the ocean, haven&#039;t you just raised sea level a bit?  Well, technically, yes, but by such a miniscule amount that it is completely insignificant.  Do you see how the global warming crisis is perpetrated?  Objective scientists must by definition agree that human impact on climate from CO2 emissions is not zero, but many or most feel it is very, very small.  Yet when the news media and polsters reduce the question to a true/false context, -- wollah!-- the answer is the majority of scientists say that humans are warming the planet.  If news were a democracy, then things would have been settled long ago but the snotty little kid in the front row asking, &quot;How much?&quot;  To set the record staight, about 20,000 scientists have signed onto the Oregon Petition Project to go on record that global warming is not manmade.   The news media have all but ignored them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No surprise hear, really,  The man-made global warming movement has only fraud and deception to keep it going.  They rely heavily on the power of half truths and technicality.  For example, if one empties a glass of water into the ocean, haven&#8217;t you just raised sea level a bit?  Well, technically, yes, but by such a miniscule amount that it is completely insignificant.  Do you see how the global warming crisis is perpetrated?  Objective scientists must by definition agree that human impact on climate from CO2 emissions is not zero, but many or most feel it is very, very small.  Yet when the news media and polsters reduce the question to a true/false context, &#8212; wollah!&#8211; the answer is the majority of scientists say that humans are warming the planet.  If news were a democracy, then things would have been settled long ago but the snotty little kid in the front row asking, &#8220;How much?&#8221;  To set the record staight, about 20,000 scientists have signed onto the Oregon Petition Project to go on record that global warming is not manmade.   The news media have all but ignored them.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/02/why-climategate-is-something/#comment-33640</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  Lot&#039;s of comments so very hard to wade through.

Bilbo, do you believe that the CRU and/or GISS temperature records are replicable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Lot&#8217;s of comments so very hard to wade through.</p>
<p>Bilbo, do you believe that the CRU and/or GISS temperature records are replicable?</p>
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		<title>By: ER Johnson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/02/why-climategate-is-something/#comment-33639</link>
		<dc:creator>ER Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of this scandal is that we&#039;d be probably years ahead in understanding these enormously complex climatic processes if a tribal mentality of the AGW proponents had not set it.  If the process was fully open and inclusive, this debacle would likely not be in front of us and we&#039;d be a helluva lot closer to the truth.

Instead, it appears that the &quot;circle the wagons&quot; mentality has completely blown up in their faces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of this scandal is that we&#8217;d be probably years ahead in understanding these enormously complex climatic processes if a tribal mentality of the AGW proponents had not set it.  If the process was fully open and inclusive, this debacle would likely not be in front of us and we&#8217;d be a helluva lot closer to the truth.</p>
<p>Instead, it appears that the &#8220;circle the wagons&#8221; mentality has completely blown up in their faces.</p>
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