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	<title>Comments on: New Website Devoted to Swifthack/ClimateGate</title>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/07/new-website-devoted-to-swifthackclimategate/#comment-44002</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello i am so delighted I found your blog, I really found you by mistake, while I was searching Yahoo for something else, Anyway I am here now and would just like to say thanks for a tremendous blog posting and a all round interesting blog (I also love the theme/design), I do not have time to read it all at the moment but I have bookmarked it and also added your RSS feeds, so when I have time I will be back to read more,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello i am so delighted I found your blog, I really found you by mistake, while I was searching Yahoo for something else, Anyway I am here now and would just like to say thanks for a tremendous blog posting and a all round interesting blog (I also love the theme/design), I do not have time to read it all at the moment but I have bookmarked it and also added your RSS feeds, so when I have time I will be back to read more,</p>
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		<title>By: Walter Highland</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/07/new-website-devoted-to-swifthackclimategate/#comment-42177</link>
		<dc:creator>Walter Highland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess if someone gets enough Twitter followers.  They can then turn around and market anything to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess if someone gets enough Twitter followers.  They can then turn around and market anything to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/07/new-website-devoted-to-swifthackclimategate/#comment-41520</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;At some point the climatologists will have to recognize that a certain segment of the population is beyond the reach of science, logic, reason and argumentation.&quot;

Yeah, but the good news is ... thousands of such unscientific loons are now in Copenhagen, willing participants in the unscientific brainwashing via Hollywood style scare tactics. They dont need science, logic or reason to find out how bad CO2 is - they just &#039;know it&#039;.

So, fear not! More PR, propaganda, and alarmist lies will fill in where science fears to tread!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;At some point the climatologists will have to recognize that a certain segment of the population is beyond the reach of science, logic, reason and argumentation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, but the good news is &#8230; thousands of such unscientific loons are now in Copenhagen, willing participants in the unscientific brainwashing via Hollywood style scare tactics. They dont need science, logic or reason to find out how bad CO2 is &#8211; they just &#8216;know it&#8217;.</p>
<p>So, fear not! More PR, propaganda, and alarmist lies will fill in where science fears to tread!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/07/new-website-devoted-to-swifthackclimategate/#comment-41519</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lubos: &quot;It only contains links to random far-left radical propaganda and obfuscation &quot;

This baby-site response to the ClimateGate CRU emails and data is not intended to convince. It&#039;s intended to keep their own advocates as uninformed as possible as you say to &quot;parrot&quot; their line.

I&#039;m not surprised by it. it is shocking to see Chris Mooney reduce himself to an obvious partisan hack in repeating the silly &quot;swifthack&quot; term, which is meaningless and without substance. A) there was no &#039;hacking&#039;, this was a leak. and B) this has zero relation or connection with Vietnam veterans who sought to have a different take on John Kerry&#039;s Vietnam war record.

As for clearinghouse ... the #1 Drudge-like site on the topic is this one ... with lots of timely links:
http://www.climatedepot.com/

... will Chris ever admit that? Wont hold my breath!

&quot;mountain-molehill controversy that just won’t go away…&quot; ... gee, it wont go away, and so you post on it, pointing to a really dumb website. If I was the biggest AGW-promoter in the world (I&#039;m not) I&#039;d be shaking my head in despar at the stupidity of it.

Meanwhile Hans von Stork got a new blog ... does he link to that??? No!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lubos: &#8220;It only contains links to random far-left radical propaganda and obfuscation &#8221;</p>
<p>This baby-site response to the ClimateGate CRU emails and data is not intended to convince. It&#8217;s intended to keep their own advocates as uninformed as possible as you say to &#8220;parrot&#8221; their line.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not surprised by it. it is shocking to see Chris Mooney reduce himself to an obvious partisan hack in repeating the silly &#8220;swifthack&#8221; term, which is meaningless and without substance. A) there was no &#8216;hacking&#8217;, this was a leak. and B) this has zero relation or connection with Vietnam veterans who sought to have a different take on John Kerry&#8217;s Vietnam war record.</p>
<p>As for clearinghouse &#8230; the #1 Drudge-like site on the topic is this one &#8230; with lots of timely links:<br />
<a href="http://www.climatedepot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.climatedepot.com/</a></p>
<p>&#8230; will Chris ever admit that? Wont hold my breath!</p>
<p>&#8220;mountain-molehill controversy that just won’t go away…&#8221; &#8230; gee, it wont go away, and so you post on it, pointing to a really dumb website. If I was the biggest AGW-promoter in the world (I&#8217;m not) I&#8217;d be shaking my head in despar at the stupidity of it.</p>
<p>Meanwhile Hans von Stork got a new blog &#8230; does he link to that??? No!</p>
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		<title>By: John M</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/07/new-website-devoted-to-swifthackclimategate/#comment-41495</link>
		<dc:creator>John M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are both demonstrating that you are very, very naive. 

Climategate is much larger than a mere mountain and has affected climate change politics for the next 20 years. Easily. Perhaps 50 years. Advocates of change are just in the initial stage of denial about its impact. For right or wrong, the science is now REGARDED BY THE MAINSTREAM as primitive, biased, and untrustworthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are both demonstrating that you are very, very naive. </p>
<p>Climategate is much larger than a mere mountain and has affected climate change politics for the next 20 years. Easily. Perhaps 50 years. Advocates of change are just in the initial stage of denial about its impact. For right or wrong, the science is now REGARDED BY THE MAINSTREAM as primitive, biased, and untrustworthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Luboš Motl</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/07/new-website-devoted-to-swifthackclimategate/#comment-41471</link>
		<dc:creator>Luboš Motl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s somewhat remarkable to see this random, largely unformatted page on the internet - one of billions of pages like that - being labeled a &quot;clearinghouse&quot;.

The page doesn&#039;t even contain the basic facts about the ClimateGate. It only contains links to random far-left radical propaganda and obfuscation - the kind of stuff that the militant Left would surely like everyone to parrot if they controlled the human society by the state police, but also the kind of stuff that is absolutely useless and worthless for a reader who actually wants to learn the truth about these matters and who is able to use his or her own brain.

The alarmists such as Mooney must be really desperate to promote this kind of extraordinarily low-quality garbage in individual postings on their blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s somewhat remarkable to see this random, largely unformatted page on the internet &#8211; one of billions of pages like that &#8211; being labeled a &#8220;clearinghouse&#8221;.</p>
<p>The page doesn&#8217;t even contain the basic facts about the ClimateGate. It only contains links to random far-left radical propaganda and obfuscation &#8211; the kind of stuff that the militant Left would surely like everyone to parrot if they controlled the human society by the state police, but also the kind of stuff that is absolutely useless and worthless for a reader who actually wants to learn the truth about these matters and who is able to use his or her own brain.</p>
<p>The alarmists such as Mooney must be really desperate to promote this kind of extraordinarily low-quality garbage in individual postings on their blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Hubble Fan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/07/new-website-devoted-to-swifthackclimategate/#comment-41454</link>
		<dc:creator>Hubble Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is the most embarrassing website I have seen in years. It may have some good data (links didn&#039;t work for me either) but it looks like a 4 year old designed it. 

Chris - What the frick are you thinking here? Swifthack is an utterly idiotic name. The ship has left the dock buddy. Like it or not it&#039;s Climategate. It....just....is (read and watch the news). And who came up with the name &quot;Swifthack&quot; anyway? Gad that is teh stoopid.

Copenhagen is going on now. And you are linking to this stupidity? No wonder the skeptics are winning the media war at this point.

The climate science is real. I think most agree. What you are doing is ineffective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the most embarrassing website I have seen in years. It may have some good data (links didn&#8217;t work for me either) but it looks like a 4 year old designed it. </p>
<p>Chris &#8211; What the frick are you thinking here? Swifthack is an utterly idiotic name. The ship has left the dock buddy. Like it or not it&#8217;s Climategate. It&#8230;.just&#8230;.is (read and watch the news). And who came up with the name &#8220;Swifthack&#8221; anyway? Gad that is teh stoopid.</p>
<p>Copenhagen is going on now. And you are linking to this stupidity? No wonder the skeptics are winning the media war at this point.</p>
<p>The climate science is real. I think most agree. What you are doing is ineffective.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch Cumstein</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/07/new-website-devoted-to-swifthackclimategate/#comment-41407</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch Cumstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.  Looks like Drudge with Down Syndrome.

Pretty compelling links they have there though.  As of this writing every link has failed to load.   Way to get the word out...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  Looks like Drudge with Down Syndrome.</p>
<p>Pretty compelling links they have there though.  As of this writing every link has failed to load.   Way to get the word out&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Coward</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/07/new-website-devoted-to-swifthackclimategate/#comment-41403</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for two posts in a row.  I guess this is a small nit, since I presume swifthack will improve it&#039;s website over the next few days, and getting anything up is actually a pretty good achievement even knowing how simple it seems in these days.

Nevertheless, I have to give the current swifthack kudos for having the most timecube like website design of any modern website since 2000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for two posts in a row.  I guess this is a small nit, since I presume swifthack will improve it&#8217;s website over the next few days, and getting anything up is actually a pretty good achievement even knowing how simple it seems in these days.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I have to give the current swifthack kudos for having the most timecube like website design of any modern website since 2000.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Coward</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/07/new-website-devoted-to-swifthackclimategate/#comment-41402</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you ever heard of the Streisand Effect?

Just keep denying it&#039;s big stuff.  You seem to be doing a good job of making points for your opponents.

And what Matteo says is 100% accurate.  It&#039;s a name that speaks only to the choir.  Anyone else will be confused by it, because sadly, they believe the swift boat turkeys.

Chris, you may be a good science writer, but I don&#039;t think you know much about scientific integrity or the ethical duties of the scientist to the public.  Nb: Cargo Cult Science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever heard of the Streisand Effect?</p>
<p>Just keep denying it&#8217;s big stuff.  You seem to be doing a good job of making points for your opponents.</p>
<p>And what Matteo says is 100% accurate.  It&#8217;s a name that speaks only to the choir.  Anyone else will be confused by it, because sadly, they believe the swift boat turkeys.</p>
<p>Chris, you may be a good science writer, but I don&#8217;t think you know much about scientific integrity or the ethical duties of the scientist to the public.  Nb: Cargo Cult Science.</p>
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