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	<title>Comments on: Michael Gerson Attempts Thoughtfulness on &quot;ClimateGate,&quot; Then Gives it Up</title>
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		<title>By: Brian B</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/11/michael-gerson-attempts-thoughtfulness-on-climategate-then-gives-it-up/#comment-34874</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 03:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some are comparing climate change science to a religion.  Looks to me like a doomsday cult!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some are comparing climate change science to a religion.  Looks to me like a doomsday cult!</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/11/michael-gerson-attempts-thoughtfulness-on-climategate-then-gives-it-up/#comment-34873</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It shouldn&#039;t matter who the request is from.&quot;

Seriously?  You seriously want scientist to spend significant amounts of time -- and grant money -- fielding *any and all* requests , at any level of detail, about any of their publicly -funded work past and present, even from people highly motivated to *manufacture doubt* due to their political ideology and commercial interests, rather than scientific curiosity?

This is insane.  Even the US government doesn&#039;t require that of its scientific fundees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It shouldn&#8217;t matter who the request is from.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously?  You seriously want scientist to spend significant amounts of time &#8212; and grant money &#8212; fielding *any and all* requests , at any level of detail, about any of their publicly -funded work past and present, even from people highly motivated to *manufacture doubt* due to their political ideology and commercial interests, rather than scientific curiosity?</p>
<p>This is insane.  Even the US government doesn&#8217;t require that of its scientific fundees.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/11/michael-gerson-attempts-thoughtfulness-on-climategate-then-gives-it-up/#comment-34872</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Oh, the poor beleagured “scientists”, harried as they jet hither and yon to one champagne and caviared conference after another.&quot;

Hilarious!  I&#039;m a biologist. Jetting hither and yon to consume champagne and cavier?  Can&#039;t say I can recall that happening.  Guess I need to step up my game.

Is this really the sort of moronic crap Fox and the right-wing noise machine is feeding its troops these days? It&#039;d be pathetic if it weren&#039;t so dangerous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oh, the poor beleagured “scientists”, harried as they jet hither and yon to one champagne and caviared conference after another.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hilarious!  I&#8217;m a biologist. Jetting hither and yon to consume champagne and cavier?  Can&#8217;t say I can recall that happening.  Guess I need to step up my game.</p>
<p>Is this really the sort of moronic crap Fox and the right-wing noise machine is feeding its troops these days? It&#8217;d be pathetic if it weren&#8217;t so dangerous.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Too</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/11/michael-gerson-attempts-thoughtfulness-on-climategate-then-gives-it-up/#comment-34871</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 01:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, deniers claiming there is BIG MONEY in climate change (why do the denialists always talk in all caps?).

There&#039;s the sections of the economy based upon oil, gas, coal, all related processing and transportation industries, the retail arms, dependant industries including autos, shipping, aircraft manufacturing and support, it goes on and on.

Then there&#039;s the scientific sector, the nascent solar power industry, geothermal, and wind industries.  All told it&#039;s smaller by, oh, about 10,000 times, than the carbon economy.

But don&#039;t let me stop you.  Talking rot IN ALL CAPS is what give you credibility.  Really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, deniers claiming there is BIG MONEY in climate change (why do the denialists always talk in all caps?).</p>
<p>There&#8217;s the sections of the economy based upon oil, gas, coal, all related processing and transportation industries, the retail arms, dependant industries including autos, shipping, aircraft manufacturing and support, it goes on and on.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the scientific sector, the nascent solar power industry, geothermal, and wind industries.  All told it&#8217;s smaller by, oh, about 10,000 times, than the carbon economy.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t let me stop you.  Talking rot IN ALL CAPS is what give you credibility.  Really.</p>
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		<title>By: Arrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Gerson is 100% right here but the fact is that Chris Mooney can only stand for scientific integrity when it suits his personal goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Gerson is 100% right here but the fact is that Chris Mooney can only stand for scientific integrity when it suits his personal goals.</p>
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		<title>By: John A. Jauregui</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/11/michael-gerson-attempts-thoughtfulness-on-climategate-then-gives-it-up/#comment-34869</link>
		<dc:creator>John A. Jauregui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you angry about this obvious fraud and the national media&#039;s complicity in the cover-up, misinformation, reframing and misdirection of the issue?   Take responsibility and take action.  STOP all donations to the political party(s) responsible for this fraud.  STOP donations to all environmental groups which funded this Global Warming propaganda campaign with our money, especially The Environmental Defense Fund.  They have violated the public trust.  KEEP donations local, close to home.  MAKE donations to Oklahoma’s Senator Inhofe, the only politician to stand firmly against this obvious government/media coordinated information operation (propaganda) targeted at its own people.   People that government leaders and employees are sworn to protect.   WRITE your state and federal representatives demanding wall to wall investigations of government sponsored funding and coordination of this and related propaganda campaigns and demand indictments of those responsible.  WRITE your state and federal Attorneys General demanding Al Gore and others conducting Global Warming/Climate Change racketeering and mail fraud operations be brought to justice, indicted, tried, convicted and jailed.  Carbon is the stuff of life.  He (Obama) who controls carbon, especially CO2, controls the world.   Think of the consequences if you do nothing!  For one, the UK is becoming the poster child for George Orwell’s “1984” and the US government’s sponsorship of this worldwide Global Warming propaganda campaign puts it in a class with the failed Soviet Union’s relentless violation of the basic human right to truthful government generated information.  Given ClimateGate’s burgeoning revelations of outrageous government misconduct and massive covert misinformation, what are the chances that this Administration’s National Health Care sales campaign is anywhere near the truth?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bdneX1djD0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you angry about this obvious fraud and the national media&#8217;s complicity in the cover-up, misinformation, reframing and misdirection of the issue?   Take responsibility and take action.  STOP all donations to the political party(s) responsible for this fraud.  STOP donations to all environmental groups which funded this Global Warming propaganda campaign with our money, especially The Environmental Defense Fund.  They have violated the public trust.  KEEP donations local, close to home.  MAKE donations to Oklahoma’s Senator Inhofe, the only politician to stand firmly against this obvious government/media coordinated information operation (propaganda) targeted at its own people.   People that government leaders and employees are sworn to protect.   WRITE your state and federal representatives demanding wall to wall investigations of government sponsored funding and coordination of this and related propaganda campaigns and demand indictments of those responsible.  WRITE your state and federal Attorneys General demanding Al Gore and others conducting Global Warming/Climate Change racketeering and mail fraud operations be brought to justice, indicted, tried, convicted and jailed.  Carbon is the stuff of life.  He (Obama) who controls carbon, especially CO2, controls the world.   Think of the consequences if you do nothing!  For one, the UK is becoming the poster child for George Orwell’s “1984” and the US government’s sponsorship of this worldwide Global Warming propaganda campaign puts it in a class with the failed Soviet Union’s relentless violation of the basic human right to truthful government generated information.  Given ClimateGate’s burgeoning revelations of outrageous government misconduct and massive covert misinformation, what are the chances that this Administration’s National Health Care sales campaign is anywhere near the truth?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bdneX1djD0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bdneX1djD0</a></p>
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		<title>By: John T</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/11/michael-gerson-attempts-thoughtfulness-on-climategate-then-gives-it-up/#comment-34868</link>
		<dc:creator>John T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no dog in this fight.  As a matter of principle, I believe we should be good stewards of the earth.

I&#039;m very puzzled by the author&#039;s use of the phrase, &quot;politically motivated data requests.&quot;

It shouldn&#039;t matter who the request is from.  If anyone requests information from a taxpayer funded research entity, that information should be provided promptly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no dog in this fight.  As a matter of principle, I believe we should be good stewards of the earth.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very puzzled by the author&#8217;s use of the phrase, &#8220;politically motivated data requests.&#8221;</p>
<p>It shouldn&#8217;t matter who the request is from.  If anyone requests information from a taxpayer funded research entity, that information should be provided promptly.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 01:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The denialists act as if the mountain of scientific evidence supporting AGW will go away solely on their say-so. Yep, it&#039;s a war on science. Presuppositions and aspersions, with zero evidence. Baseless invective and vitriolic railing against reason. A thousand different straw man arguments are raised and attacked. Throw in a bit of slick sophistry that damns with faint praise-- &quot;without sneering teach the rest to sneer&quot;. And all this denigration of science for what? To prop up a fossil fuel industry that is wrecking our climate?

&quot;The doubt industry&quot;
http://www.reformer.com/ci_13981983</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The denialists act as if the mountain of scientific evidence supporting AGW will go away solely on their say-so. Yep, it&#8217;s a war on science. Presuppositions and aspersions, with zero evidence. Baseless invective and vitriolic railing against reason. A thousand different straw man arguments are raised and attacked. Throw in a bit of slick sophistry that damns with faint praise&#8211; &#8220;without sneering teach the rest to sneer&#8221;. And all this denigration of science for what? To prop up a fossil fuel industry that is wrecking our climate?</p>
<p>&#8220;The doubt industry&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.reformer.com/ci_13981983" rel="nofollow">http://www.reformer.com/ci_13981983</a></p>
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		<title>By: FTM</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/11/michael-gerson-attempts-thoughtfulness-on-climategate-then-gives-it-up/#comment-34866</link>
		<dc:creator>FTM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I only capitalize proper nouns.

So, riddle me this, if research funded by oil comapnies is biased then how is research funded by the druids or the government not biased?  How do you get past the predispostition of the researcher to go out and get the data that the person/entity wants to see?

On another note, beings as how the CRU has been proven to be badly compromised why is it that NASA and NOAA haven&#039;t released their databases?  This entire sorry affair can be simply defused by cooperating with the FOIA requests that have been lawfully filed and illegally stonewalled for years.

Kind of like the current criminal in chief and his birth certificate, the question can be settled in seconds.  This isn&#039;t hard.

Is there a problem with climate change?  Maybe, it depends on which bunch of zealots you want to listen to.  Is mankinds contribution to climate change a factor, once again it&#039;s hard to tell it depends on which bunch of zealots you want to listen to.  However, from my chair the total absence of cooperation from the &quot;sky is falling&quot; crowd leads me toward the &quot;Denialist &quot;camp.  Publish the data, prove the point and then let&#039;s make some decisions.  Don&#039;t try to sell me a pig in a poke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I only capitalize proper nouns.</p>
<p>So, riddle me this, if research funded by oil comapnies is biased then how is research funded by the druids or the government not biased?  How do you get past the predispostition of the researcher to go out and get the data that the person/entity wants to see?</p>
<p>On another note, beings as how the CRU has been proven to be badly compromised why is it that NASA and NOAA haven&#8217;t released their databases?  This entire sorry affair can be simply defused by cooperating with the FOIA requests that have been lawfully filed and illegally stonewalled for years.</p>
<p>Kind of like the current criminal in chief and his birth certificate, the question can be settled in seconds.  This isn&#8217;t hard.</p>
<p>Is there a problem with climate change?  Maybe, it depends on which bunch of zealots you want to listen to.  Is mankinds contribution to climate change a factor, once again it&#8217;s hard to tell it depends on which bunch of zealots you want to listen to.  However, from my chair the total absence of cooperation from the &#8220;sky is falling&#8221; crowd leads me toward the &#8220;Denialist &#8220;camp.  Publish the data, prove the point and then let&#8217;s make some decisions.  Don&#8217;t try to sell me a pig in a poke.</p>
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		<title>By: FTM</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/11/michael-gerson-attempts-thoughtfulness-on-climategate-then-gives-it-up/#comment-34865</link>
		<dc:creator>FTM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I only capitalize proper nouns.</description>
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