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		<title>By: Dr. Professor Reverend</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/28/my-cameo-in-the-climategate-emails/#comment-44645</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Professor Reverend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, If Chris says he didn&#039;t inhale, then he didn&#039;t have sex with that woman.
Let it go now. He&#039;s not a crook!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, If Chris says he didn&#8217;t inhale, then he didn&#8217;t have sex with that woman.<br />
Let it go now. He&#8217;s not a crook!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Coward</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/28/my-cameo-in-the-climategate-emails/#comment-44580</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 01:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Occam&#039;s Razor and Bayes Theorem, my take away is that it is now much more likely that Chris Mooney is involved with the leaking of the emails and that the one email we are seeing is a red herring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using Occam&#8217;s Razor and Bayes Theorem, my take away is that it is now much more likely that Chris Mooney is involved with the leaking of the emails and that the one email we are seeing is a red herring.</p>
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		<title>By: Comish</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/28/my-cameo-in-the-climategate-emails/#comment-44566</link>
		<dc:creator>Comish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Still, I can see why scientists concerned about global warming, and accepting of the scientific consensus, would want me to cover the topic, including its political side. By 2007 I already had a track record for exposing the misinformation campaign to mislead the public about climate change, something I continue to do today.&quot;

With all due respect, this is exactly the &quot;conspiracy&quot; that the AGW skeptics are talking about.  Why should people trust the reporting on AGW, when the reporters are clearly approaching the issue with a bias?  People are told to trust the scientists and peer review process, when the emails make pretty clear that these folks were doing everything in their power to manipulate the peer review process to totally exclude AGW skeptical evidence, not based on flaws in their science, but based solely on their unfavorable conclusion.  People are told to trust that reporters are unbiased and delivering the news in straightforward and honest fashion, but you admit that you&#039;re known for your own bias in favor of AGW.  Nothing can change your mind, and you&#039;re going to make every effort to debunk skeptical reports, regardless of their merit.  Apparently, you&#039;ve arrived at your conclusions, and won&#039;t put up with any contrary evidence.

Guess what?  You&#039;re an advocate, not a journalist.  

Which is fine.  But to many of us, that&#039;s kind of surprising.  You should probably disclose in your columns that you&#039;re biased toward AGW and will make every attempt to refute contrary evidence.  If I&#039;m supposed to believe that AGW skeptical reports are biased merely because they&#039;re funded by (for example) an oil company, why should I believe your reports are valid if you admit you&#039;re biased toward AGW?

If you don&#039;t see any problem with being cited as a reporter with bias, then I&#039;m not going to trust your conclusion that the rest of the emails are kosher, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Still, I can see why scientists concerned about global warming, and accepting of the scientific consensus, would want me to cover the topic, including its political side. By 2007 I already had a track record for exposing the misinformation campaign to mislead the public about climate change, something I continue to do today.&#8221;</p>
<p>With all due respect, this is exactly the &#8220;conspiracy&#8221; that the AGW skeptics are talking about.  Why should people trust the reporting on AGW, when the reporters are clearly approaching the issue with a bias?  People are told to trust the scientists and peer review process, when the emails make pretty clear that these folks were doing everything in their power to manipulate the peer review process to totally exclude AGW skeptical evidence, not based on flaws in their science, but based solely on their unfavorable conclusion.  People are told to trust that reporters are unbiased and delivering the news in straightforward and honest fashion, but you admit that you&#8217;re known for your own bias in favor of AGW.  Nothing can change your mind, and you&#8217;re going to make every effort to debunk skeptical reports, regardless of their merit.  Apparently, you&#8217;ve arrived at your conclusions, and won&#8217;t put up with any contrary evidence.</p>
<p>Guess what?  You&#8217;re an advocate, not a journalist.  </p>
<p>Which is fine.  But to many of us, that&#8217;s kind of surprising.  You should probably disclose in your columns that you&#8217;re biased toward AGW and will make every attempt to refute contrary evidence.  If I&#8217;m supposed to believe that AGW skeptical reports are biased merely because they&#8217;re funded by (for example) an oil company, why should I believe your reports are valid if you admit you&#8217;re biased toward AGW?</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t see any problem with being cited as a reporter with bias, then I&#8217;m not going to trust your conclusion that the rest of the emails are kosher, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley J. Fikes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/28/my-cameo-in-the-climategate-emails/#comment-44553</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradley J. Fikes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;/i&gt;Paul W.
&quot;6 days is less than a hundredth of the time that the email has existed on a server somewhere. That counts as “now” in a common English sense that I would have thought everyone would immediately recognize. It is precise to within a percent, and accurate within that precision, and that’s plenty good for normal speech about such things.&quot;

Does all that spinning make you dizzy?

No matter, it&#039;s not the most important point as far as I&#039;m concerned. What is important that by his own admission, Mooney didn&#039;t know &lt;b&gt;his own name&lt;/b&gt;was  in the Climategate emails until it was brought to his attention. He obviously didn&#039;t examine the Climategate emails and documents very carefully.

Yet Mooney was proclaiming in November that Climategate &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/23/why-climategate-aint-nothing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;ain&#039;t nothing&quot;&lt;/a&gt;. He even cited Michael Mann, who sent an email to a colleague telling him to keep &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=345&amp;filename=1059664704.txt&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;dirty laundry&quot;&lt;/a&gt; about the tree ring residuals away from skeptics.

There&#039;s also the &lt;a hrefhttp://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=321&amp;filename=1054756929.txtcollusion to keep skeptical papers from being published.&lt;/a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;

&lt;i&gt;&quot;I am really sorry but I have to nag about that review - Confidentially I now need a hard
and if required extensive case for rejecting - to support Dave Stahle&#039;s and really as
soon as you can&quot; . . .

&quot;Hi Keith,
Okay, today. Promise! Now something to ask from you. Actually somewhat important too. I
got a paper to review (submitted to the Journal of Agricultural, Biological, and
Environmental Sciences), written by a Korean guy and someone from Berkeley, that claims
that the method of reconstruction that we use in dendroclimatology (reverse regression)
is wrong, biased, lousy, horrible, etc. They use your Tornetrask recon as the main
whipping boy. I have a file that you gave me in 1993 that comes from your 1992 paper.
Below is part of that file. Is this the right one? Also, is it possible to resurrect the
column headings? I would like to play with it in an effort to refute their claims.
If published as is, this paper could really do some damage. . .&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

This collusion undermines &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/24/the-climategate-burden-of-proof/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mooney&#039;s claim about how there&#039;s so much independently gathered evidence supporting the warmist view&lt;/a&gt;. Look at how Mooney makes his strawmen.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Let’s say, just for the sake of argument, that all of the worst and most damning interpretations of these exposed emails are accurate. I don’t think this is remotely true, but let’s assume it.

&quot;Even if this is the case, it does not prove the following :

&quot;1) The scientists whose emails have been revealed are representative of or somehow a proxy for every other climate scientist on the planet.

&quot;2) The studies that have been called into questions based on the emails (e.g., that old chestnut the “hockey stick”) are somehow the foundations of our concern about global warming, and those concerns stand or fall based on those studies.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Far from &quot;every other climate scientist on the planet&quot; needs to be involved, if the ones colluding are extremely influential, and have no scruples about promoting each others&#039; work or running down the work of those who disagree, even it means subverting the peer review process.

Mooney also makes this an either-or case -- you either believe or you don&#039;t. But there&#039;s a third possibility, that legitimate evidence has been exaggerated for political reasons.

Plainly, Mooney just doesn&#039;t want to look too closely into Climategate, and he doesn&#039;t want the public to, either. A rather curious attitude for a journalist to take.

Science writers with political connections face a dilemma when the evidence clashes with their politics. One alternative is to be true to the science and risk political discomfort and ostracism from their allies. If Mooney were, for example, to call out Michael Mann for his unethical behavior that defrauds science, he&#039;d lose a politically sympathetic source. Same with Phil Jones, Ben Santer and the rest of the bad actors.

The other choice for a science writer is to defend their politics by betraying the science. It&#039;s pretty obvious which course Mooney has taken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul W.<br />
&#8220;6 days is less than a hundredth of the time that the email has existed on a server somewhere. That counts as “now” in a common English sense that I would have thought everyone would immediately recognize. It is precise to within a percent, and accurate within that precision, and that’s plenty good for normal speech about such things.&#8221;</p>
<p>Does all that spinning make you dizzy?</p>
<p>No matter, it&#8217;s not the most important point as far as I&#8217;m concerned. What is important that by his own admission, Mooney didn&#8217;t know <b>his own name</b>was  in the Climategate emails until it was brought to his attention. He obviously didn&#8217;t examine the Climategate emails and documents very carefully.</p>
<p>Yet Mooney was proclaiming in November that Climategate <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/23/why-climategate-aint-nothing/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;ain&#8217;t nothing&#8221;</a>. He even cited Michael Mann, who sent an email to a colleague telling him to keep <a href="http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=345&#038;filename=1059664704.txt" rel="nofollow">&#8220;dirty laundry&#8221;</a> about the tree ring residuals away from skeptics.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the <a hrefhttp://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=321&#038;filename=1054756929.txtcollusion to keep skeptical papers from being published.</a rel="nofollow"></p>
<p><i>&#8220;I am really sorry but I have to nag about that review &#8211; Confidentially I now need a hard<br />
and if required extensive case for rejecting &#8211; to support Dave Stahle&#8217;s and really as<br />
soon as you can&#8221; . . .</p>
<p>&#8220;Hi Keith,<br />
Okay, today. Promise! Now something to ask from you. Actually somewhat important too. I<br />
got a paper to review (submitted to the Journal of Agricultural, Biological, and<br />
Environmental Sciences), written by a Korean guy and someone from Berkeley, that claims<br />
that the method of reconstruction that we use in dendroclimatology (reverse regression)<br />
is wrong, biased, lousy, horrible, etc. They use your Tornetrask recon as the main<br />
whipping boy. I have a file that you gave me in 1993 that comes from your 1992 paper.<br />
Below is part of that file. Is this the right one? Also, is it possible to resurrect the<br />
column headings? I would like to play with it in an effort to refute their claims.<br />
If published as is, this paper could really do some damage. . .&#8221;</i></p>
<p>This collusion undermines </a><a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/11/24/the-climategate-burden-of-proof/" rel="nofollow">Mooney&#8217;s claim about how there&#8217;s so much independently gathered evidence supporting the warmist view</a>. Look at how Mooney makes his strawmen.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Let’s say, just for the sake of argument, that all of the worst and most damning interpretations of these exposed emails are accurate. I don’t think this is remotely true, but let’s assume it.</p>
<p>&#8220;Even if this is the case, it does not prove the following :</p>
<p>&#8220;1) The scientists whose emails have been revealed are representative of or somehow a proxy for every other climate scientist on the planet.</p>
<p>&#8220;2) The studies that have been called into questions based on the emails (e.g., that old chestnut the “hockey stick”) are somehow the foundations of our concern about global warming, and those concerns stand or fall based on those studies.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Far from &#8220;every other climate scientist on the planet&#8221; needs to be involved, if the ones colluding are extremely influential, and have no scruples about promoting each others&#8217; work or running down the work of those who disagree, even it means subverting the peer review process.</p>
<p>Mooney also makes this an either-or case &#8212; you either believe or you don&#8217;t. But there&#8217;s a third possibility, that legitimate evidence has been exaggerated for political reasons.</p>
<p>Plainly, Mooney just doesn&#8217;t want to look too closely into Climategate, and he doesn&#8217;t want the public to, either. A rather curious attitude for a journalist to take.</p>
<p>Science writers with political connections face a dilemma when the evidence clashes with their politics. One alternative is to be true to the science and risk political discomfort and ostracism from their allies. If Mooney were, for example, to call out Michael Mann for his unethical behavior that defrauds science, he&#8217;d lose a politically sympathetic source. Same with Phil Jones, Ben Santer and the rest of the bad actors.</p>
<p>The other choice for a science writer is to defend their politics by betraying the science. It&#8217;s pretty obvious which course Mooney has taken.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/28/my-cameo-in-the-climategate-emails/#comment-44538</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh, folks, it seems obvious to me that when Chris says he learned about the email &quot;now,&quot; he&#039;s speaking about this week or month or so, but not a year ago, much less two.

It&#039;s a short, &lt;i&gt;two-year old&lt;/i&gt; email that Chris didn&#039;t know about until now---i.e., until  the events of the last few weeks that we&#039;re commenting on.  It means &quot;in the present&quot; where &quot;the present&quot; doesn&#039;t mean &lt;i&gt;just this very moment,&lt;/i&gt; but &quot;in the current period,&quot; i.e., &quot;much, much closer to this moment than that moment two years ago.&quot;

That was &lt;i&gt;then&lt;/i&gt;---the two whole years that he didn&#039;t know---and &lt;i&gt;this is now&lt;/i&gt;, the comparatively very short period when he does.

6 days is less than a hundredth of the time that the email has existed on a server somewhere.  That counts as &quot;now&quot; in a common English sense that I would have thought everyone would immediately recognize.  It is precise to within a percent, and accurate within that precision, and that&#039;s plenty good for normal speech about such things.

Besides, you can&#039;t assume somebody who&#039;s &lt;i&gt;busy&lt;/i&gt;---you know, going off to copenhagen, interviewing people, being interviewed---literally posts things as soon as he begins to write them.   &quot;Now&quot; can mean &quot;since I last posted about this subject.&quot;

People say stuff like this very, very frequently in normal speech.  It&#039;s paranoid to think that a six-day lag in writing and posting stuff that&#039;s two years old amounts to lying about what counts as &quot;now&quot;.

Hyeesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh, folks, it seems obvious to me that when Chris says he learned about the email &#8220;now,&#8221; he&#8217;s speaking about this week or month or so, but not a year ago, much less two.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a short, <i>two-year old</i> email that Chris didn&#8217;t know about until now&#8212;i.e., until  the events of the last few weeks that we&#8217;re commenting on.  It means &#8220;in the present&#8221; where &#8220;the present&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean <i>just this very moment,</i> but &#8220;in the current period,&#8221; i.e., &#8220;much, much closer to this moment than that moment two years ago.&#8221;</p>
<p>That was <i>then</i>&#8212;the two whole years that he didn&#8217;t know&#8212;and <i>this is now</i>, the comparatively very short period when he does.</p>
<p>6 days is less than a hundredth of the time that the email has existed on a server somewhere.  That counts as &#8220;now&#8221; in a common English sense that I would have thought everyone would immediately recognize.  It is precise to within a percent, and accurate within that precision, and that&#8217;s plenty good for normal speech about such things.</p>
<p>Besides, you can&#8217;t assume somebody who&#8217;s <i>busy</i>&#8212;you know, going off to copenhagen, interviewing people, being interviewed&#8212;literally posts things as soon as he begins to write them.   &#8220;Now&#8221; can mean &#8220;since I last posted about this subject.&#8221;</p>
<p>People say stuff like this very, very frequently in normal speech.  It&#8217;s paranoid to think that a six-day lag in writing and posting stuff that&#8217;s two years old amounts to lying about what counts as &#8220;now&#8221;.</p>
<p>Hyeesh.</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley J. Fikes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bradley J. Fikes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;/i&gt;I hope we can all agree that whenever a science writer puts politics first, whether it be on the left or the right, the science suffers.

A few years ago, I was more worried about science distortion from the right, such as from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nctimes.com/news/science/columnists/fikes/article_475d1132-bffc-54bf-b6c1-e611c0280de9.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Michael Fumento&lt;/a&gt;. I wrote this after his Monsanto payola was disclosed:

&lt;i&gt;Science and traditional journalism have an important principle in common: the concept of objectivity. Whether performing an experiment or writing a news story, the scientist or journalist is supposed to make sure one&#039;s personal beliefs don&#039;t get in the way of the facts or present a misleading picture. And when there is personal involvement, disclosure is the best policy.

Failure to meet those ethical standards is why Michael Fumento, the self-proclaimed &quot;extremely pro-biotech&quot; writer and acerbic conservative pundit, was dropped by Scripps Howard News Service earlier this month.

Since 2003, Fumento had written a column in which he frequently extolled the wonders of biotech. But Fumento had a hidden financial motive for writing his column: He took money from agricultural biotech giant Monsanto, and was looking for more biotech cash. . .&lt;/i&gt;

Admittedly, Mooney is far more intelligent than Fumento, a clownish character who wrote a book on biotech that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/review/RQH5AB0SFBOVR/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;described DNA as a protein molecule!&lt;/a&gt; I do a lot of biotech writing, so Fumento&#039;s idiocy is particularly offensive to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope we can all agree that whenever a science writer puts politics first, whether it be on the left or the right, the science suffers.</p>
<p>A few years ago, I was more worried about science distortion from the right, such as from <a href="http://www.nctimes.com/news/science/columnists/fikes/article_475d1132-bffc-54bf-b6c1-e611c0280de9.html" rel="nofollow">Michael Fumento</a>. I wrote this after his Monsanto payola was disclosed:</p>
<p><i>Science and traditional journalism have an important principle in common: the concept of objectivity. Whether performing an experiment or writing a news story, the scientist or journalist is supposed to make sure one&#8217;s personal beliefs don&#8217;t get in the way of the facts or present a misleading picture. And when there is personal involvement, disclosure is the best policy.</p>
<p>Failure to meet those ethical standards is why Michael Fumento, the self-proclaimed &#8220;extremely pro-biotech&#8221; writer and acerbic conservative pundit, was dropped by Scripps Howard News Service earlier this month.</p>
<p>Since 2003, Fumento had written a column in which he frequently extolled the wonders of biotech. But Fumento had a hidden financial motive for writing his column: He took money from agricultural biotech giant Monsanto, and was looking for more biotech cash. . .</i></p>
<p>Admittedly, Mooney is far more intelligent than Fumento, a clownish character who wrote a book on biotech that <a href="http://www.amazon.com/review/RQH5AB0SFBOVR/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm" rel="nofollow">described DNA as a protein molecule!</a> I do a lot of biotech writing, so Fumento&#8217;s idiocy is particularly offensive to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Upon returning from a week of blissful disconnectedness, I have to say I was surprised when I wandered over to The Intersection only to find that Chris hasn&#039;t continued his climate science demonstrator.  It would appear that negotiations have stalled at this point, even before the shape of the table was decided upon.

Agreeing with other posters here, Chris&#039; appearance in the emails was mentioned quite a while ago, and this post, like others I&#039;ve read, feels disingenuous.  If I&#039;m to believe that this is the first time Chris has been made aware of his admittedly tiny role in this whole affair, then I have to question the weight of his opinions on the matter as a whole.  To put it smugly, you can&#039;t teach the course if you haven&#039;t read the coursework.

Sorry, teach, but you sound less like a journalist and more like an advocate as time goes on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upon returning from a week of blissful disconnectedness, I have to say I was surprised when I wandered over to The Intersection only to find that Chris hasn&#8217;t continued his climate science demonstrator.  It would appear that negotiations have stalled at this point, even before the shape of the table was decided upon.</p>
<p>Agreeing with other posters here, Chris&#8217; appearance in the emails was mentioned quite a while ago, and this post, like others I&#8217;ve read, feels disingenuous.  If I&#8217;m to believe that this is the first time Chris has been made aware of his admittedly tiny role in this whole affair, then I have to question the weight of his opinions on the matter as a whole.  To put it smugly, you can&#8217;t teach the course if you haven&#8217;t read the coursework.</p>
<p>Sorry, teach, but you sound less like a journalist and more like an advocate as time goes on.</p>
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		<title>By: moptop</title>
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		<dc:creator>moptop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am pretty sure that &quot;Hansen&quot; is posting ironically, but he has The Riddler&#039;s delemma from the Batman movie: &quot;Was that over the top? I can never tell.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am pretty sure that &#8220;Hansen&#8221; is posting ironically, but he has The Riddler&#8217;s delemma from the Batman movie: &#8220;Was that over the top? I can never tell.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan B.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/28/my-cameo-in-the-climategate-emails/#comment-44439</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  Hansen has really come in guns blazing.  We&#039;re now deniers of reality.  All the points made above are completely valid points and don&#039;t include Chris Mooney in any conspiracy.  It just shows that he is not a journalist capable of being critical of AGW scientists (we should call them theorists).  It&#039;s pretty disgusting that he has already labelled the emails as nothing when he clearly hasn&#039;t even looked into the emails.  

I find it pretty amazing how Hansen (and possibly Chris Mooney) can isolate an email.  Look at the one email and it&#039;s no big deal, it says nothing.  

Look at other emails to get the story.  It&#039;s like reading one page of a book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  Hansen has really come in guns blazing.  We&#8217;re now deniers of reality.  All the points made above are completely valid points and don&#8217;t include Chris Mooney in any conspiracy.  It just shows that he is not a journalist capable of being critical of AGW scientists (we should call them theorists).  It&#8217;s pretty disgusting that he has already labelled the emails as nothing when he clearly hasn&#8217;t even looked into the emails.  </p>
<p>I find it pretty amazing how Hansen (and possibly Chris Mooney) can isolate an email.  Look at the one email and it&#8217;s no big deal, it says nothing.  </p>
<p>Look at other emails to get the story.  It&#8217;s like reading one page of a book.</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley J. Fikes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/28/my-cameo-in-the-climategate-emails/#comment-44435</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradley J. Fikes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 04:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s really amazing how the warmists are in denial that Chris Mooney is politically aligned with the AGW activists and Democrats, and biases his reporting in that direction. Mooney&#039;s mention in an email as the kind of reporter who would write a hit piece on a skeptic is just icing on the cake.

Even if he were not mentioned, Mooney has every motive to pretend Climategate isn&#039;t a big deal -- it contradicts &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/14/climategate-continues-to-expose-anti-science-tendencies-on-the-right-wing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the line he&#039;s been feeding us about how these are just innocent apolitical scientists studying global warming, harassed by those meanie conservative denialists&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;...(A)nybody who knows anything about scientists knows that they tend to be really shy about venturing into the political arena. Bizarrely, Theroux wants to lock scientists back up in the lab where, frankly, many would be glad to stay in the first place–because they know well there are many ideological opponents out there, out gunning for them.&quot;&lt;i/&gt;

If you read the emails, you find &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/14/climategate-continues-to-expose-anti-science-tendencies-on-the-right-wing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;how these supposedly apolitical scientists really behave when they&#039;re just among friends:&lt;/a&gt;


&lt;i&gt;From: Joseph Alcamo &lt;alcamo@xxxxxxxxx.xxx&gt;
To: m.hulme@xxxxxxxxx.xxx, Rob.Swart@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: Timing, Distribution of the Statement
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:52:33 0100
Reply-to: alcamo@xxxxxxxxx.xxx

Mike, Rob,

Sounds like you guys have been busy doing good things for the cause.

I would like to weigh in on two important questions --

Distribution for Endorsements --
I am very strongly in favor of as wide and rapid a distribution as possible for endorsements. I think the only thing that counts is numbers. The media is going to say &quot;1000 scientists signed&quot; or &quot;1500 signed&quot;. No one is going to check if it is 600 with PhDs versus 2000 without. They will mention the prominent ones, but that is a different story.

Conclusion -- Forget the screening, forget asking them about their last publication (most will ignore you.) Get those names!

Timing -- I feel strongly that the week of 24 November is too late. 1. We wanted to announce the Statement in the period when there was a sag in related news, but in the week before Kyoto we should expect that we will have to crowd out many other articles about climate. 2. If the Statement comes out just a few days before Kyoto I am afraid that the delegates who we want to influence will not have any time to pay attention to it. We should give them a few weeks to hear about it.
3. If Greenpeace is having an event the week before, we should have it a week before them so that they and other NGOs can further spread the word about the Statement. On the other hand, it wouldn&#039;t be so bad to release the Statement in the same week, but on a diffeent day. The media might enjoy hearing the message from two very different directions.

Conclusion -- I suggest the week of 10 November, or the week of 17 November at the latest.

Mike -- I have no organized email list that could begin to compete with the list you can get from the Dutch. But I am still willing to send you what I have, if you wish. 

Best wishes,

Joe Alcamo&lt;/i&gt;

--------------------------------

If such an email were sent by scientists trying to discredit global warming, Mooney would be all over it. This one? Crickets chirping. That kind of selective indignation would be normal at a politically identified magazine, but it&#039;s really out of place here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really amazing how the warmists are in denial that Chris Mooney is politically aligned with the AGW activists and Democrats, and biases his reporting in that direction. Mooney&#8217;s mention in an email as the kind of reporter who would write a hit piece on a skeptic is just icing on the cake.</p>
<p>Even if he were not mentioned, Mooney has every motive to pretend Climategate isn&#8217;t a big deal &#8212; it contradicts <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/14/climategate-continues-to-expose-anti-science-tendencies-on-the-right-wing/" rel="nofollow">the line he&#8217;s been feeding us about how these are just innocent apolitical scientists studying global warming, harassed by those meanie conservative denialists</a>:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;(A)nybody who knows anything about scientists knows that they tend to be really shy about venturing into the political arena. Bizarrely, Theroux wants to lock scientists back up in the lab where, frankly, many would be glad to stay in the first place–because they know well there are many ideological opponents out there, out gunning for them.&#8221;<i /></p>
<p>If you read the emails, you find <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/14/climategate-continues-to-expose-anti-science-tendencies-on-the-right-wing/" rel="nofollow">how these supposedly apolitical scientists really behave when they&#8217;re just among friends:</a></p>
<p></i><i>From: Joseph Alcamo <alcamo @xxxxxxxxx.xxx><br />
To: <a href="mailto:m.hulme@xxxxxxxxx.xxx">m.hulme@xxxxxxxxx.xxx</a>, <a href="mailto:Rob.Swart@xxxxxxxxx.xxx">Rob.Swart@xxxxxxxxx.xxx</a><br />
Subject: Timing, Distribution of the Statement<br />
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:52:33 0100<br />
Reply-to: <a href="mailto:alcamo@xxxxxxxxx.xxx">alcamo@xxxxxxxxx.xxx</a></p>
<p>Mike, Rob,</p>
<p>Sounds like you guys have been busy doing good things for the cause.</p>
<p>I would like to weigh in on two important questions &#8211;</p>
<p>Distribution for Endorsements &#8211;<br />
I am very strongly in favor of as wide and rapid a distribution as possible for endorsements. I think the only thing that counts is numbers. The media is going to say &#8220;1000 scientists signed&#8221; or &#8220;1500 signed&#8221;. No one is going to check if it is 600 with PhDs versus 2000 without. They will mention the prominent ones, but that is a different story.</p>
<p>Conclusion &#8212; Forget the screening, forget asking them about their last publication (most will ignore you.) Get those names!</p>
<p>Timing &#8212; I feel strongly that the week of 24 November is too late. 1. We wanted to announce the Statement in the period when there was a sag in related news, but in the week before Kyoto we should expect that we will have to crowd out many other articles about climate. 2. If the Statement comes out just a few days before Kyoto I am afraid that the delegates who we want to influence will not have any time to pay attention to it. We should give them a few weeks to hear about it.<br />
3. If Greenpeace is having an event the week before, we should have it a week before them so that they and other NGOs can further spread the word about the Statement. On the other hand, it wouldn&#8217;t be so bad to release the Statement in the same week, but on a diffeent day. The media might enjoy hearing the message from two very different directions.</p>
<p>Conclusion &#8212; I suggest the week of 10 November, or the week of 17 November at the latest.</p>
<p>Mike &#8212; I have no organized email list that could begin to compete with the list you can get from the Dutch. But I am still willing to send you what I have, if you wish. </p>
<p>Best wishes,</p>
<p>Joe Alcamo</alcamo></i></p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>If such an email were sent by scientists trying to discredit global warming, Mooney would be all over it. This one? Crickets chirping. That kind of selective indignation would be normal at a politically identified magazine, but it&#8217;s really out of place here.</p>
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