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		<title>By: ScienceGoddess</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/02/04/iwaswondering-org-a-site-for-girls-about-science-by-nas/#comment-47924</link>
		<dc:creator>ScienceGoddess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not involved with the U of I Games 4 Girls listed above, but am involved in the Girls engineering camp at U of I. I like having the camp for girls, but wish I could also run exactly the same thing for boys.

I agree with Sheril that the list of scientists is limited. I like what they are trying to do, but I wonder, too if saying &quot;this is for girls&quot; does continue to maintain the gender division. 

I think it would be better to have women role models that both boys and girls can look up to, and not that &quot;this is a women speaking, and so only girls should be watching.&quot;

I consider how all major TV networks and science programs primarily show men articulating science. We are left with a subliminal message that women can&#039;t or don&#039;t articulate science. It&#039;d be nice to see female versions of Bill Nye or Carl Sagan. And not just a woman presenting science like a third grade teacher. I would love to see wonderful powerful female personas that would demonstrate that women are truly active in science. The shows wouldn&#039;t have to be aimed at girls only, it would be for all, but the important message would be there: It is great for women to be in science. 

And one day the networks will wake up and realize they might want to do the right thing....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not involved with the U of I Games 4 Girls listed above, but am involved in the Girls engineering camp at U of I. I like having the camp for girls, but wish I could also run exactly the same thing for boys.</p>
<p>I agree with Sheril that the list of scientists is limited. I like what they are trying to do, but I wonder, too if saying &#8220;this is for girls&#8221; does continue to maintain the gender division. </p>
<p>I think it would be better to have women role models that both boys and girls can look up to, and not that &#8220;this is a women speaking, and so only girls should be watching.&#8221;</p>
<p>I consider how all major TV networks and science programs primarily show men articulating science. We are left with a subliminal message that women can&#8217;t or don&#8217;t articulate science. It&#8217;d be nice to see female versions of Bill Nye or Carl Sagan. And not just a woman presenting science like a third grade teacher. I would love to see wonderful powerful female personas that would demonstrate that women are truly active in science. The shows wouldn&#8217;t have to be aimed at girls only, it would be for all, but the important message would be there: It is great for women to be in science. </p>
<p>And one day the networks will wake up and realize they might want to do the right thing&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: martha</title>
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		<dc:creator>martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://contexts.org/socimages/2009/12/29/girls-need-less-power/

This has been posted elsewhere.

I of course promote encouraging women in science, but to do it in pink turns me away immediately.</description>
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<p>This has been posted elsewhere.</p>
<p>I of course promote encouraging women in science, but to do it in pink turns me away immediately.</p>
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		<title>By: Raleigh Chem Dry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raleigh Chem Dry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 05:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For my little scientist I will be sending her there tomorrow to explore.  Thanks for the awesome info</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For my little scientist I will be sending her there tomorrow to explore.  Thanks for the awesome info</p>
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		<title>By: Gus Snarp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gus Snarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Walker, BTW it&#039;s a myth that these problems don&#039;t exist in Europe too.  I had a professor from Holland who had some shocking stories about the way she was treated in European academia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Walker, BTW it&#8217;s a myth that these problems don&#8217;t exist in Europe too.  I had a professor from Holland who had some shocking stories about the way she was treated in European academia.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheril Kirshenbaum</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/02/04/iwaswondering-org-a-site-for-girls-about-science-by-nas/#comment-47798</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheril Kirshenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm. Well I&#039;m not familiar with the dating game so can&#039;t comment on that, but given the strong need to engage more girls and women in STEM fields, I&#039;m very supportive of initiatives like this site by NAS that involved the excellent scientists featured in development.

Of course, to ultimately narrow the gender gap in academia, the system must fundamentally change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm. Well I&#8217;m not familiar with the dating game so can&#8217;t comment on that, but given the strong need to engage more girls and women in STEM fields, I&#8217;m very supportive of initiatives like this site by NAS that involved the excellent scientists featured in development.</p>
<p>Of course, to ultimately narrow the gender gap in academia, the system must fundamentally change.</p>
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		<title>By: Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not that these sites stereotype the mentors they highlight.  They do a fine job there.  The issue -- or so I gather -- is with how they market to young girls.  Things like the choice of color on the webpage (commented on above), the types of games that they have on their web pages, the narratives that they provide to make science interesting, and so on.

For example, UIUC runs a great competition (sponsored by Google) in computer science called Games 4 Girls, which requires an all-girl team to make a game for middle school girls.  That in itself is great.  However, the program often dictates the theme that the game must have.  Last year (I think) it was a dating game.  This completely turned off my crack team of female programmers, many of whom have gone on to grad school or successful industry jobs.

That is what I mean by stereotypes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not that these sites stereotype the mentors they highlight.  They do a fine job there.  The issue &#8212; or so I gather &#8212; is with how they market to young girls.  Things like the choice of color on the webpage (commented on above), the types of games that they have on their web pages, the narratives that they provide to make science interesting, and so on.</p>
<p>For example, UIUC runs a great competition (sponsored by Google) in computer science called Games 4 Girls, which requires an all-girl team to make a game for middle school girls.  That in itself is great.  However, the program often dictates the theme that the game must have.  Last year (I think) it was a dating game.  This completely turned off my crack team of female programmers, many of whom have gone on to grad school or successful industry jobs.</p>
<p>That is what I mean by stereotypes.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheril Kirshenbaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheril Kirshenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the women represented here span a variety of fields and expertise, I&#039;m not clear what you mean by &#039;perpetuate stereotypes.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the women represented here span a variety of fields and expertise, I&#8217;m not clear what you mean by &#8216;perpetuate stereotypes.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Walker</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/02/04/iwaswondering-org-a-site-for-girls-about-science-by-nas/#comment-47788</link>
		<dc:creator>Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a non-female, I am curious as to how well these things actually work.  My wife has the utmost contempt for the current girl-into-science programs; she believes that they perpetuate stereotypes of women as second-class science citizens. But then she is European, and not a product of the American education system.

I have heard similar murmurings from talented female undergraduates about the these middle school outreach programs also perpetuate stereotypes.  But then again, that might just be a biased sampling in the type of women that do well in my male-heavy department.

So I honestly cannot tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a non-female, I am curious as to how well these things actually work.  My wife has the utmost contempt for the current girl-into-science programs; she believes that they perpetuate stereotypes of women as second-class science citizens. But then she is European, and not a product of the American education system.</p>
<p>I have heard similar murmurings from talented female undergraduates about the these middle school outreach programs also perpetuate stereotypes.  But then again, that might just be a biased sampling in the type of women that do well in my male-heavy department.</p>
<p>So I honestly cannot tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheril Kirshenbaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheril Kirshenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pink&#039;s not all that bad, and Lia&#039;s blue hair is pretty cool ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pink&#8217;s not all that bad, and Lia&#8217;s blue hair is pretty cool <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Miriam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miriam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I clicked on this Twitter link I was praying OH GOD PLEASE NOT PINK. I kinda half got my wish. I&#039;ll actually look at the content now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I clicked on this Twitter link I was praying OH GOD PLEASE NOT PINK. I kinda half got my wish. I&#8217;ll actually look at the content now.</p>
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