Comments on: Hitting Back Against the New War on Science

By: Byron

Byron — Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:06:23 +0000

Here’s a good article from Monbiot comparing the “Scandal” of “climate gate” to what Big Energy has been doing behind the scenes to obfuscate the issue in the minds of the public. Hint: there’s no comparison.

http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2009/12/07/the-real-climate-scandal/

By: Byron

Byron — Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:58:41 +0000

For some reason I can no longer get Real Climate. It just drags and drags on loading and nothing comes up. My guess is a DDOS attack, but I haven’t found anything on such mentioned in Google. Anyone else having this problem?

By: Busiturtle

Busiturtle — Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:35:24 +0000

What are the AGW adherents going to do with Phil Jones? Does he get excommunicated from the church of Global Warming for admitting the science is not settled? Or does he just get assigned to the rear pew for saying the dog ate his homework (ie data records).

By: anon

anon — Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:11:19 +0000

Meh, this post of yours helps demonstrate and confirm what a hack you are.

By: bob

bob — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:59:51 +0000

Well, if you single out antivaxxers from the larger problem of alternative medicine, then sure. However, that would be like singling out people who reject glacier data out of the larger community of AGW deniers.

And, I don’t know where you’re getting your funding numbers from. The FAQ on the ExxonSecrets site mentioned a 2.2 million dollar contribution. Whoop-dee-doo. NCCAM has wasted north of two billion.

Go ahead and continue to just make up your own criteria by which to judge pseudoscientists and those who defend science. It’s exactly what your boy Mooney does, so you should be able to as well.

Speaking of the patron saint of framing, you claim that he dug into the history and funding and ideologies and found facts relevant to his framing? Really? When? Where? What did he find? Why did he not find analogous things for AGW and vaccines and evolution? Can I haz links?

I’ll also point out that I anticipated this (empty) response from you, but you ignored it. Have you heard of Tom Harkin and his reasons for starting NCCAM? What is not analogous about that situation?

By: Marion Delgado

Marion Delgado — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:48:26 +0000

And bob, i never said all critics of Chris were sycophants of anyone – and we should all continue this on other threads.

By: Marion Delgado

Marion Delgado — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:46:04 +0000

My apologies to bilbo, who’s made similar points to those I am making.

This has become too big a thread to copy correctly for me.

Bob: You’re wrong by orders of magnitude. Look it up.

By: Marion Delgado

Marion Delgado — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:44:46 +0000

sorry, the above is BOB, not BILBO.

By: Marion Delgado

Marion Delgado — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:42:32 +0000

bilbo: with due respect, the anti-vax movement is not in the same funding orbit as the anti-AGW movement. I am surprised you’d believe that. Go to Exxonsecrets or any number of other sites and educate yourself on the difference. It’s at least 2 orders of magnitude.

There is certainly money in alternative medicine, but not only are you quite wrong about how much is available to fund the anti-vax movement, but calling me ill-informed on that basis is reckless.

Chris has made some of the same points I made. It’s not that I disagree with Orac, it’s that I see clear distinctions. So does Mooney, and for at least similar reasons – because once you dig into the history and funding and ideological statements, the facts back it up.

By: Dougetit

Dougetit — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:14:05 +0000

@Will 102.

Another apparent win for science…. another “hit” for shoddiness.

Good job!