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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/02/11/paul-offit-will-be-my-first-point-of-inquiry-guest/#comment-49082</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops,  I did not look close enough.  I am terribly sorry.

(and you have the same name as John Wayne&#039;s birth name!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops,  I did not look close enough.  I am terribly sorry.</p>
<p>(and you have the same name as John Wayne&#8217;s birth name!)</p>
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		<title>By: Marion Delgado</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/02/11/paul-offit-will-be-my-first-point-of-inquiry-guest/#comment-49079</link>
		<dc:creator>Marion Delgado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 04:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Chris.  I downloaded  both.

I should point out that I&#039;m a guy Marion not a maid Marian.

Other commenters - if I think someone&#039;s just picking fights, I don&#039;t respond to them. This doesn&#039;t have to be a big deal. If it becomes a big deal, that wastes ENORMOUS amounts of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Chris.  I downloaded  both.</p>
<p>I should point out that I&#8217;m a guy Marion not a maid Marian.</p>
<p>Other commenters &#8211; if I think someone&#8217;s just picking fights, I don&#8217;t respond to them. This doesn&#8217;t have to be a big deal. If it becomes a big deal, that wastes ENORMOUS amounts of time.</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/02/11/paul-offit-will-be-my-first-point-of-inquiry-guest/#comment-48972</link>
		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh, more measured and reasonable responses to criticism from commenters at The Intersection.  You guys know more about me than I do.  I&#039;m now apparently a trekkie, autistic cult member who regularly comments at Pharyngula.  I had no idea!

Indeed, what a bastion of rational thought this place is.  Speaking of the sort of discourse going on here, bilbo has now posted someone&#039;s personal information and is swearing regularly in the other thread.  I&#039;ll ask again:  how does the moderation work here?  Do you get a free pass if you defend the authors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh, more measured and reasonable responses to criticism from commenters at The Intersection.  You guys know more about me than I do.  I&#8217;m now apparently a trekkie, autistic cult member who regularly comments at Pharyngula.  I had no idea!</p>
<p>Indeed, what a bastion of rational thought this place is.  Speaking of the sort of discourse going on here, bilbo has now posted someone&#8217;s personal information and is swearing regularly in the other thread.  I&#8217;ll ask again:  how does the moderation work here?  Do you get a free pass if you defend the authors?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/02/11/paul-offit-will-be-my-first-point-of-inquiry-guest/#comment-48969</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marian, there are a couple of other good interviews with Paul Offit that I have listened to that he did close to when his last book came out (I have a copy, and refer to it during online debates with anti-vaxers... I also enjoyed his biography of Maurice Hilleman):
http://docartemis.com/blog/2009/01/books-25-vaccines/
and
http://theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=1&amp;pid=173

I will be downloading the Point of Inquiry (which has been a bit sparse lately).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marian, there are a couple of other good interviews with Paul Offit that I have listened to that he did close to when his last book came out (I have a copy, and refer to it during online debates with anti-vaxers&#8230; I also enjoyed his biography of Maurice Hilleman):<br />
<a href="http://docartemis.com/blog/2009/01/books-25-vaccines/" rel="nofollow">http://docartemis.com/blog/2009/01/books-25-vaccines/</a><br />
and<br />
<a href="http://theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=1&#038;pid=173" rel="nofollow">http://theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=1&#038;pid=173</a></p>
<p>I will be downloading the Point of Inquiry (which has been a bit sparse lately).</p>
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		<title>By: Another typical, bitter New Atheist</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/02/11/paul-offit-will-be-my-first-point-of-inquiry-guest/#comment-48967</link>
		<dc:creator>Another typical, bitter New Atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn you, Chris Mooney! Once upon a time you criticized one of my favorite bloggers and got into an argument with him in the blogosphere! If I thought you had done a terrible job and/or had no argument, I probably would have treated you as not worth the time and would ignore you.

But I must have perceived you as a threat, because now every time you post something, I feel the need to come here and troll you, call you and your readers names, and even go as far as to equate you calling something a &quot;war on science&quot; to some of my favorite NA bloggers&#039; tactics of justifying physical torture! Damn you, Chris Mooney, indeed!

But I&#039;ll be damned if you don&#039;t put together some very good interviews....back to Pharyngula!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn you, Chris Mooney! Once upon a time you criticized one of my favorite bloggers and got into an argument with him in the blogosphere! If I thought you had done a terrible job and/or had no argument, I probably would have treated you as not worth the time and would ignore you.</p>
<p>But I must have perceived you as a threat, because now every time you post something, I feel the need to come here and troll you, call you and your readers names, and even go as far as to equate you calling something a &#8220;war on science&#8221; to some of my favorite NA bloggers&#8217; tactics of justifying physical torture! Damn you, Chris Mooney, indeed!</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll be damned if you don&#8217;t put together some very good interviews&#8230;.back to Pharyngula!</p>
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		<title>By: science-based humanist</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/02/11/paul-offit-will-be-my-first-point-of-inquiry-guest/#comment-48871</link>
		<dc:creator>science-based humanist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woo-hoo!  After reading the Wired article, I sent Offit an e-mail with thanks from PRO-vax parents for the work he&#039;s doing at significant emotional cost.  He wrote back - I don&#039;t think he hears from PRO-vax parents enough.  Folks, write him!  Chris, if Offit is allowed to comment, ask him to comment about the lawsuit againt him and Wired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woo-hoo!  After reading the Wired article, I sent Offit an e-mail with thanks from PRO-vax parents for the work he&#8217;s doing at significant emotional cost.  He wrote back &#8211; I don&#8217;t think he hears from PRO-vax parents enough.  Folks, write him!  Chris, if Offit is allowed to comment, ask him to comment about the lawsuit againt him and Wired.</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does the filtering matter?  I don&#039;t know, maybe because my comment wasn&#039;t allowed?

You ask why I&#039;m here.  I was here originally because I didn&#039;t think Mooney&#039;s attacks on scare-quoted New Atheists were warranted.  He never explained his positions or outlined a detailed plan going forward.  He just appealed to &quot;framing,&quot; as if those seven letters said it all.

Now, he turns around and makes himself the PZ Myers of environmentalism.  Look at his posts regarding AGW deniers: obvious anger and frustration, name-calling, accusations of ideological bias, violent imagery.  You know, exactly the sort of tactics used by certain non-religious authors and bloggers when confronting creationists (i.e. evolution deniers).

This is seer hypocrisy.  The only way it isn&#039;t would be if Mooney has conducted some kind of framing research that demonstrated being mean works for AGW deniers but doesn&#039;t work for creationists or anti-vaxxers.  Since we never got any arguments or data back in the day regarding creationists, I think it&#039;s safe to presume that none of it exists for antivaxxers or AGW deniers.

The approach (&quot;framing&quot;) is completely arbitrary!  Mooney cares about the environment, thus AGW deniers annoy him, thus we get vitriol.  He&#039;s not passionate about medicine or evolution, thus medicine and evolution deniers don&#039;t bother him that much, thus we get peace and love and accommodation and puppies.

That&#039;s my problem, in a nutshell.  But, feel free to ignore me, call me unreasonable, accuse me of only being here for an &quot;agenda,&quot; say I&#039;m in a cult, call me autistic, and misuse the term ad hominem.  At this point, I&#039;m totally used to it from the commenters here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does the filtering matter?  I don&#8217;t know, maybe because my comment wasn&#8217;t allowed?</p>
<p>You ask why I&#8217;m here.  I was here originally because I didn&#8217;t think Mooney&#8217;s attacks on scare-quoted New Atheists were warranted.  He never explained his positions or outlined a detailed plan going forward.  He just appealed to &#8220;framing,&#8221; as if those seven letters said it all.</p>
<p>Now, he turns around and makes himself the PZ Myers of environmentalism.  Look at his posts regarding AGW deniers: obvious anger and frustration, name-calling, accusations of ideological bias, violent imagery.  You know, exactly the sort of tactics used by certain non-religious authors and bloggers when confronting creationists (i.e. evolution deniers).</p>
<p>This is seer hypocrisy.  The only way it isn&#8217;t would be if Mooney has conducted some kind of framing research that demonstrated being mean works for AGW deniers but doesn&#8217;t work for creationists or anti-vaxxers.  Since we never got any arguments or data back in the day regarding creationists, I think it&#8217;s safe to presume that none of it exists for antivaxxers or AGW deniers.</p>
<p>The approach (&#8220;framing&#8221;) is completely arbitrary!  Mooney cares about the environment, thus AGW deniers annoy him, thus we get vitriol.  He&#8217;s not passionate about medicine or evolution, thus medicine and evolution deniers don&#8217;t bother him that much, thus we get peace and love and accommodation and puppies.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my problem, in a nutshell.  But, feel free to ignore me, call me unreasonable, accuse me of only being here for an &#8220;agenda,&#8221; say I&#8217;m in a cult, call me autistic, and misuse the term ad hominem.  At this point, I&#8217;m totally used to it from the commenters here.</p>
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		<title>By: debaser</title>
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		<dc:creator>debaser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh nooooo an accommodationist has taken over Point of Inquiry!  I can&#039;t accommodate thiiiiissss...  

Hehe.  Good luck with P.O.I. Chris.  Grothe will be a tough act to follow, he was a great interviewer.  I look forward to listening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh nooooo an accommodationist has taken over Point of Inquiry!  I can&#8217;t accommodate thiiiiissss&#8230;  </p>
<p>Hehe.  Good luck with P.O.I. Chris.  Grothe will be a tough act to follow, he was a great interviewer.  I look forward to listening.</p>
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		<title>By: Marion Delgado</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/02/11/paul-offit-will-be-my-first-point-of-inquiry-guest/#comment-48842</link>
		<dc:creator>Marion Delgado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bob:

I have no idea how the filter on discoverblogs work. Is that relevant?

Wouldn&#039;t the point be to either (a) not call people sycophants until you find out why they want to download and pass on an interview and (b) to sort things out without worrying about finding the right name-calling to use?

I didn&#039;t call you a name at all, I asked you what we should call you in return, since apparently only name calling is on the agenda. And yeah. I post that it sounds like a great plan for an interview and I plan to download it, and you call me a sycophant in response. Objectively, you&#039;re lowing the level of discourse. By what pathway do you imagine you aren&#039;t?

There is no possible behavior - even not addressing you WHATSOEVER - that won&#039;t trigger abuse and ad hominem attacks from you, instead of information or reasonable discussion. Is that clear yet? Why are you here? Seriously. Why are you here? I personally don&#039;t plan to respond to you, ever, again, except in the third person, as an example of the sort of person that comes here with an agenda and some sort of perverse chip on their shoulder. Here not to discuss, not to impart information, but to simply indulge in childish abusive trolling.

It&#039;s really no better than the denialist behavior, frankly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bob:</p>
<p>I have no idea how the filter on discoverblogs work. Is that relevant?</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t the point be to either (a) not call people sycophants until you find out why they want to download and pass on an interview and (b) to sort things out without worrying about finding the right name-calling to use?</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t call you a name at all, I asked you what we should call you in return, since apparently only name calling is on the agenda. And yeah. I post that it sounds like a great plan for an interview and I plan to download it, and you call me a sycophant in response. Objectively, you&#8217;re lowing the level of discourse. By what pathway do you imagine you aren&#8217;t?</p>
<p>There is no possible behavior &#8211; even not addressing you WHATSOEVER &#8211; that won&#8217;t trigger abuse and ad hominem attacks from you, instead of information or reasonable discussion. Is that clear yet? Why are you here? Seriously. Why are you here? I personally don&#8217;t plan to respond to you, ever, again, except in the third person, as an example of the sort of person that comes here with an agenda and some sort of perverse chip on their shoulder. Here not to discuss, not to impart information, but to simply indulge in childish abusive trolling.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really no better than the denialist behavior, frankly.</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/02/11/paul-offit-will-be-my-first-point-of-inquiry-guest/#comment-48838</link>
		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 04:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, triggered the moderation filter again, huh?  Can we get an explanation of exactly how that works?  I&#039;ll grant you that I called Marion an obfuscated slightly-bad name, but in my defense he called me both autistic and a cultist, so I&#039;ve hardly lowered the level of discourse on this fine blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, triggered the moderation filter again, huh?  Can we get an explanation of exactly how that works?  I&#8217;ll grant you that I called Marion an obfuscated slightly-bad name, but in my defense he called me both autistic and a cultist, so I&#8217;ve hardly lowered the level of discourse on this fine blog.</p>
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