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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Where I&#8217;m from, we believe all sorts of things that aren&#8217;t true. We call it history.&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Heath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 12:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geran Smith stated:&lt;blockquote&gt;People like this make me sad. It gives normal, intelligent Christians a bad name.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve been seeing this slight spin-off of the &#039;no true Scotsman&#039; argument quite a bit in forums writing about this topic.  I think it&#039;s important to note that the Texas SBOE board members who are amending the drafts of what historians presented them to the subsequent revisionist garbage were voted into office.  The actions these members are currently taken was their primary platform plank along with their wanting to promote anti-science, scientifically illiterate positions as well.   They didn&#039;t hide what they were going to do, they instead featured it in their campaigns.

I think if &quot;normal, intelligent Christians&quot; exist (the intelligent aspect), they would be ostracizing these people and their ideas from their faith community.  I not only see that happening, but I instead see this movement growing in power as they increase their dominance of the Republican party.  Therefore I&#039;d argue that what we are seeing out of these SBOE board members is in fact part of the &quot;norm&quot; of Texas Christianity and perhaps not so different from the norm found in other Bible Belt states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geran Smith stated:<br />
<blockquote>People like this make me sad. It gives normal, intelligent Christians a bad name.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve been seeing this slight spin-off of the &#8216;no true Scotsman&#8217; argument quite a bit in forums writing about this topic.  I think it&#8217;s important to note that the Texas SBOE board members who are amending the drafts of what historians presented them to the subsequent revisionist garbage were voted into office.  The actions these members are currently taken was their primary platform plank along with their wanting to promote anti-science, scientifically illiterate positions as well.   They didn&#8217;t hide what they were going to do, they instead featured it in their campaigns.</p>
<p>I think if &#8220;normal, intelligent Christians&#8221; exist (the intelligent aspect), they would be ostracizing these people and their ideas from their faith community.  I not only see that happening, but I instead see this movement growing in power as they increase their dominance of the Republican party.  Therefore I&#8217;d argue that what we are seeing out of these SBOE board members is in fact part of the &#8220;norm&#8221; of Texas Christianity and perhaps not so different from the norm found in other Bible Belt states.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kingsford Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kingsford Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what one gets when one panders to faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what one gets when one panders to faith.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You need to be active with your local school board too and make sure they don&#039;tpurchase any text books that conform to Texas standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need to be active with your local school board too and make sure they don&#8217;tpurchase any text books that conform to Texas standards.</p>
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		<title>By: John Kwok</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Kwok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Elena -

Know Carl Zimmer has been writing about this too, and it was the subject of a flawed, though still useful, article written by Russell Shorto in The New York Times Magazine a few weeks back. Really wished that the Texas State Board of Education, as it is currently constituted, displayed substantially more sense. 

Unfortunately, it seems as though I have to concur with Doug too. We need National Standards not only on science, but regrettably, apparently history too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Elena -</p>
<p>Know Carl Zimmer has been writing about this too, and it was the subject of a flawed, though still useful, article written by Russell Shorto in The New York Times Magazine a few weeks back. Really wished that the Texas State Board of Education, as it is currently constituted, displayed substantially more sense. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, it seems as though I have to concur with Doug too. We need National Standards not only on science, but regrettably, apparently history too.</p>
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		<title>By: Elena Strange</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elena Strange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man. I used to be kinda impressed with Texas, because they counted computer science towards high-school science requirements. (Just a little bias toward my own field. Can&#039;t help it.) But this is just awful, seriously. I agree with @Doug: national standards, as long as the fundamentalists don&#039;t get their paws on that, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man. I used to be kinda impressed with Texas, because they counted computer science towards high-school science requirements. (Just a little bias toward my own field. Can&#8217;t help it.) But this is just awful, seriously. I agree with @Doug: national standards, as long as the fundamentalists don&#8217;t get their paws on that, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony McCarthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony McCarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke Vogel @2

Are you calling for purity tests for the money that scientists and the like accept?  Because there&#039;s a lot worse than Templeton that regularly funds research and it&#039;s called the normal course of events in science.  How about armaments or petroleum geology or any number of other areas of science?

Or is it just that someone might read a bit of the book that is one of the main topics of intersection in the politics of science and society today that is forbidden?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke Vogel @2</p>
<p>Are you calling for purity tests for the money that scientists and the like accept?  Because there&#8217;s a lot worse than Templeton that regularly funds research and it&#8217;s called the normal course of events in science.  How about armaments or petroleum geology or any number of other areas of science?</p>
<p>Or is it just that someone might read a bit of the book that is one of the main topics of intersection in the politics of science and society today that is forbidden?</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony McCarthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony McCarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The spectacle of the broken Senate has made it necessary that states with an effective population of progressives unite and practice progressive regionalism as a counterweight to states with an effective majority of far right voters.   If progressives in progressive states flexed their power they might be able to do a lot for the entire country, including people who live in regressive states.  

Fundamentalist &quot;christianty&quot; is Mammonism with a veneer of bibliolatry covering reality.  It&#039;s got little to nothing to do with either the first or the second testaments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The spectacle of the broken Senate has made it necessary that states with an effective population of progressives unite and practice progressive regionalism as a counterweight to states with an effective majority of far right voters.   If progressives in progressive states flexed their power they might be able to do a lot for the entire country, including people who live in regressive states.  </p>
<p>Fundamentalist &#8220;christianty&#8221; is Mammonism with a veneer of bibliolatry covering reality.  It&#8217;s got little to nothing to do with either the first or the second testaments.</p>
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		<title>By: LBrrr</title>
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		<dc:creator>LBrrr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke, I think you owe Sheril an apology.

This situation seems to be too much like Dover. It&#039;s frightening that people can claim themselves as experts in a field without any sort of qualification. 

Also, I would like to add that if you become friends with the National Center for Science Education on Facebook they update pretty frequently with interesting topics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke, I think you owe Sheril an apology.</p>
<p>This situation seems to be too much like Dover. It&#8217;s frightening that people can claim themselves as experts in a field without any sort of qualification. </p>
<p>Also, I would like to add that if you become friends with the National Center for Science Education on Facebook they update pretty frequently with interesting topics.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheril Kirshenbaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheril Kirshenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@10 Walker
So far, I&#039;m loving Austin :)

@5 ChrisD
Links fixed, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@10 Walker<br />
So far, I&#8217;m loving Austin <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@5 ChrisD<br />
Links fixed, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: james wheaton</title>
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		<dc:creator>james wheaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am becoming more and more convinced that fundamentalist Christianity is perhaps the most influential element of the entire right wing agenda in this country now.  It just keeps cropping up too much.  I have resisted attacking Christianity for most of the issues we see today (obstructionism, race baiting, conspiracy theories, denialism, etc) - but I think it is behind the curtain pulling the strings.  Amazing that a religion that justifiably professes to be the most peaceful and fulfilling on earth, and is supposedly over the bad stuff (Crusades, inquisitions, etc), is now becoming so outright dangerous again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am becoming more and more convinced that fundamentalist Christianity is perhaps the most influential element of the entire right wing agenda in this country now.  It just keeps cropping up too much.  I have resisted attacking Christianity for most of the issues we see today (obstructionism, race baiting, conspiracy theories, denialism, etc) &#8211; but I think it is behind the curtain pulling the strings.  Amazing that a religion that justifiably professes to be the most peaceful and fulfilling on earth, and is supposedly over the bad stuff (Crusades, inquisitions, etc), is now becoming so outright dangerous again.</p>
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