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		<title>By: Kirth Gersen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/05/23/scientist-media-training/#comment-44414</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirth Gersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 22:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a scientist and former science educator, I do have an question -- namely, how much of the disconnect is from poor communication on the part of scientists, vs. poor comprehension on the part of the public? Most high school science classes are taught by non-scientists -- by people with degrees in education, for example. As a result, the general public doesn&#039;t understand enough basic science to have any idea what most research scientists are even working on, much less what the ramifications are. No amount of tact and eruditon on the scientists&#039; part can overcome this lack of basic education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a scientist and former science educator, I do have an question &#8212; namely, how much of the disconnect is from poor communication on the part of scientists, vs. poor comprehension on the part of the public? Most high school science classes are taught by non-scientists &#8212; by people with degrees in education, for example. As a result, the general public doesn&#8217;t understand enough basic science to have any idea what most research scientists are even working on, much less what the ramifications are. No amount of tact and eruditon on the scientists&#8217; part can overcome this lack of basic education.</p>
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		<title>By: a dood</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/05/23/scientist-media-training/#comment-44413</link>
		<dc:creator>a dood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 21:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m down with Carl Sagan</description>
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		<title>By: John Kwok</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/05/23/scientist-media-training/#comment-44412</link>
		<dc:creator>John Kwok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 20:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Philip H. -

In college I was keenly aware of the jealousy felt toward Sagan by two professors of planetary geology at my undergraduate alma mater. One noted with ample pride how they
(they being the two scientists and professors of engineering at my alma mater) had upstaged Sagan when they created the cameras and imaging system for the Viking Lander.
I think Sagan did indulge in some of that &quot;shameless self promotion&quot; and so, might I add, other prominent scientists, such as, for example, Stephen Jay Gould. But being a &quot;celebrity&quot; doesn&#039;t mean that one is effective with regards to communicating science to the general public. One could make a most persuasive case that Gould (via his criticism of racially biased IQ testing), E. O. Wilson (conservation biology) and Ken Miller (via his ample work on behalf of emphasizing the teaching of evolution, not creationism, in American high school science classrooms) have been far more effective in influencing public opinion than Sagan ever did.

Again, this raises my concern that Chris may be more interested in the superficiality of scientific communication - as indicated by his emphasis on Colbert Report-styled interviewing - than on whether professional scientists are affecting public opinion when they note that there is no &quot;debate&quot; between evolution and creationism or explain why the scientific evidence for anthropogenic global warming is both substantial and conclusive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Philip H. -</p>
<p>In college I was keenly aware of the jealousy felt toward Sagan by two professors of planetary geology at my undergraduate alma mater. One noted with ample pride how they<br />
(they being the two scientists and professors of engineering at my alma mater) had upstaged Sagan when they created the cameras and imaging system for the Viking Lander.<br />
I think Sagan did indulge in some of that &#8220;shameless self promotion&#8221; and so, might I add, other prominent scientists, such as, for example, Stephen Jay Gould. But being a &#8220;celebrity&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean that one is effective with regards to communicating science to the general public. One could make a most persuasive case that Gould (via his criticism of racially biased IQ testing), E. O. Wilson (conservation biology) and Ken Miller (via his ample work on behalf of emphasizing the teaching of evolution, not creationism, in American high school science classrooms) have been far more effective in influencing public opinion than Sagan ever did.</p>
<p>Again, this raises my concern that Chris may be more interested in the superficiality of scientific communication &#8211; as indicated by his emphasis on Colbert Report-styled interviewing &#8211; than on whether professional scientists are affecting public opinion when they note that there is no &#8220;debate&#8221; between evolution and creationism or explain why the scientific evidence for anthropogenic global warming is both substantial and conclusive.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip H</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/05/23/scientist-media-training/#comment-44411</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 15:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hopefully Chris will address some of the criticisms I stated earlier, such as the importance of having truly effective writing teachers (of which Frank McCourt may be among the most famous recent examples) and &lt;i&gt;a commitment to report scientific research accurately without resorting to shameless self promotion or other superficial activities which do not convey anything about the wonder and importance and relevance of modern science to contemporary world civilization&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

John,
I think you hit an important point, circling back to Commenter #1.  I believe s/he is probably still in the prevalent school of thought amongst scientists that ANY discussion of science outside of the peer-reviewed literature and annual professional society meetings falls into your category of &quot;shameless self-promotion.&quot;  See, Carl Sagan communicated the wonder of science really well to the public - Cosmos isstillone of my all-time favorite PBS shows, and I gave the book to my oldest daughter when she turned 13.  He just didn&#039;t confine his communication to the narrowest slice possible of the scientific realm - and that&#039;s what makes our scientist colleague at #1 so unfcomfortable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hopefully Chris will address some of the criticisms I stated earlier, such as the importance of having truly effective writing teachers (of which Frank McCourt may be among the most famous recent examples) and <i>a commitment to report scientific research accurately without resorting to shameless self promotion or other superficial activities which do not convey anything about the wonder and importance and relevance of modern science to contemporary world civilization</i>.</p></blockquote>
<p>John,<br />
I think you hit an important point, circling back to Commenter #1.  I believe s/he is probably still in the prevalent school of thought amongst scientists that ANY discussion of science outside of the peer-reviewed literature and annual professional society meetings falls into your category of &#8220;shameless self-promotion.&#8221;  See, Carl Sagan communicated the wonder of science really well to the public &#8211; Cosmos isstillone of my all-time favorite PBS shows, and I gave the book to my oldest daughter when she turned 13.  He just didn&#8217;t confine his communication to the narrowest slice possible of the scientific realm &#8211; and that&#8217;s what makes our scientist colleague at #1 so unfcomfortable.</p>
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		<title>By: The Reasons We Need Sci Comm Training &#124; The Intersection &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/05/23/scientist-media-training/#comment-44410</link>
		<dc:creator>The Reasons We Need Sci Comm Training &#124; The Intersection &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 14:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I blogged the other day about the media training I was doing at MIT, the first comment read as follows: Frauds at [...] </description>
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		<title>By: John Kwok</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/05/23/scientist-media-training/#comment-44409</link>
		<dc:creator>John Kwok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 03:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ SLC -

Thanks for the link to Abbie&#039;s latest. I thought she had something profound to say, but then her thread deteriorated into a rather lengthy digression on the Pluto affair. As for Chris&#039;s desire to have more Carl Sagans of science, I think they exist already in the form of
Bronx Science alumni Lawrence Krauss and Neil de Grasse Tyson, and Stuyvesant High School alumni Brian Greene, Lisa Randall and Adam Summer. Then of course you have AMNH paleobiologists Niles Eldredge, Mark Norell and Michael Novacek. And I am just merely scratching the surface.

Hopefully Chris will address some of the criticisms I stated earlier, such as the importance of having truly effective writing teachers (of which Frank McCourt may be among the most famous recent examples) and a commitment to report scientific research accurately without resorting to shameless self promotion or other superficial activities which do not convey anything about the wonder and importance and relevance of modern science to contemporary world civilization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ SLC -</p>
<p>Thanks for the link to Abbie&#8217;s latest. I thought she had something profound to say, but then her thread deteriorated into a rather lengthy digression on the Pluto affair. As for Chris&#8217;s desire to have more Carl Sagans of science, I think they exist already in the form of<br />
Bronx Science alumni Lawrence Krauss and Neil de Grasse Tyson, and Stuyvesant High School alumni Brian Greene, Lisa Randall and Adam Summer. Then of course you have AMNH paleobiologists Niles Eldredge, Mark Norell and Michael Novacek. And I am just merely scratching the surface.</p>
<p>Hopefully Chris will address some of the criticisms I stated earlier, such as the importance of having truly effective writing teachers (of which Frank McCourt may be among the most famous recent examples) and a commitment to report scientific research accurately without resorting to shameless self promotion or other superficial activities which do not convey anything about the wonder and importance and relevance of modern science to contemporary world civilization.</p>
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		<title>By: TTT</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/05/23/scientist-media-training/#comment-44408</link>
		<dc:creator>TTT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 01:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really tired of the notion that if only we could duplicate Sagan&#039;s techniques everything would be fine.  Even when Sagan was alive, using Sagan&#039;s techniques, everything wasn&#039;t fine.  This rosy-glasses approach is what I&#039;m used to seeing from conservatives about Reagan--&quot;we are lost, unless we find someone exactly like him!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really tired of the notion that if only we could duplicate Sagan&#8217;s techniques everything would be fine.  Even when Sagan was alive, using Sagan&#8217;s techniques, everything wasn&#8217;t fine.  This rosy-glasses approach is what I&#8217;m used to seeing from conservatives about Reagan&#8211;&#8221;we are lost, unless we find someone exactly like him!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Mooney</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/05/23/scientist-media-training/#comment-44407</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Mooney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 23:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the comments. several require and deserve more elaboration -- as does the point, how on earth could this possibly be controversial? So I&#039;ll say more soon...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the comments. several require and deserve more elaboration &#8212; as does the point, how on earth could this possibly be controversial? So I&#8217;ll say more soon&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SLC</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/05/23/scientist-media-training/#comment-44406</link>
		<dc:creator>SLC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 19:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re PHYSICS MSC @ #1

Here&#039;s another commentary on Mr. Mooneys&#039; communication skills from one of his non-admirers,.

http://scienceblogs.com/erv/2010/05/attn_mit_kids_how_to_communica.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re PHYSICS MSC @ #1</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another commentary on Mr. Mooneys&#8217; communication skills from one of his non-admirers,.</p>
<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/erv/2010/05/attn_mit_kids_how_to_communica.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/erv/2010/05/attn_mit_kids_how_to_communica.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nullius in Verba</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/05/23/scientist-media-training/#comment-44405</link>
		<dc:creator>Nullius in Verba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 17:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;There’s no question that science is losing the public relations battle, so it’ss interesting to me to still find scientists like the poster above who obviously believe that learning to communicate the science somehow harms the science.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I think he&#039;s fine with communicating the science, what he&#039;s probably choking on is what scientists would call the &#039;intrinsic angular momentum&#039;.

For a lot of people, it&#039;s the fact that certain scientists look and act like they&#039;ve attended a media course that damages trust in them. Releasing scientific results at press conferences instead of journals or conferences, so the details needed to check/challenge it are unavailable until after the story has passed through the news cycle, that sort of thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;There’s no question that science is losing the public relations battle, so it’ss interesting to me to still find scientists like the poster above who obviously believe that learning to communicate the science somehow harms the science.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I think he&#8217;s fine with communicating the science, what he&#8217;s probably choking on is what scientists would call the &#8216;intrinsic angular momentum&#8217;.</p>
<p>For a lot of people, it&#8217;s the fact that certain scientists look and act like they&#8217;ve attended a media course that damages trust in them. Releasing scientific results at press conferences instead of journals or conferences, so the details needed to check/challenge it are unavailable until after the story has passed through the news cycle, that sort of thing.</p>
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