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	<title>Comments on: The Forecasted Collapse of a Fishery</title>
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		<title>By: Deandre Gieber</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/07/11/the-forecasted-collapse-of-a-fishery-2/#comment-65175</link>
		<dc:creator>Deandre Gieber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 21:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Offshore fishing is our best loved sports activity,perhaps there is a great deal of areas to be able to get a number of perch within the local area as well consider utilising this type of technique, the people I know in this community have not pointed out this thing therefore i&#039;m looking for exactly how to capture alot more. The variety of fish in these rivers all around here appear to attack even a bare fishing hook occasionally however it is not the fish i am seeking to catch. Many thanks to receive the information and even will likely be awaiting the next blog post...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Offshore fishing is our best loved sports activity,perhaps there is a great deal of areas to be able to get a number of perch within the local area as well consider utilising this type of technique, the people I know in this community have not pointed out this thing therefore i&#8217;m looking for exactly how to capture alot more. The variety of fish in these rivers all around here appear to attack even a bare fishing hook occasionally however it is not the fish i am seeking to catch. Many thanks to receive the information and even will likely be awaiting the next blog post&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gaythia</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/07/11/the-forecasted-collapse-of-a-fishery-2/#comment-64102</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaythia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The National Marine Fisheries Service, which is part of NOAA, the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration, is the agency responsible for studying, regulating and recovery planning for west coast salmon runs under the endangered species act.  The link to their website regarding Chinook Salmon is here:

http://www.nwr.noaa.gov/ESA-Salmon-Listings/Salmon-Populations/Chinook/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The National Marine Fisheries Service, which is part of NOAA, the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration, is the agency responsible for studying, regulating and recovery planning for west coast salmon runs under the endangered species act.  The link to their website regarding Chinook Salmon is here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nwr.noaa.gov/ESA-Salmon-Listings/Salmon-Populations/Chinook/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nwr.noaa.gov/ESA-Salmon-Listings/Salmon-Populations/Chinook/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/07/11/the-forecasted-collapse-of-a-fishery-2/#comment-64096</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 13:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The low catch rate is definately indicative of a serious problem. 

&lt;i&gt;In 2002, 800,000 natural and hatchery-raised chinook made their way back up the Sacramento River. Last year, about 40,000 returned, a third of the number state biologists predicted, Sydeman said.&lt;/i&gt;

It doesn&#039;t say what percentage are hatchery-raised. Maybe the hatchery-raise chinook don&#039;t have as good of open-water survival skills as the wild spawned chinook.

They should error on the safe side of conservation and not allow fishing of endangered species and do more habitat studies to find out exactly what&#039;s happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The low catch rate is definately indicative of a serious problem. </p>
<p><i>In 2002, 800,000 natural and hatchery-raised chinook made their way back up the Sacramento River. Last year, about 40,000 returned, a third of the number state biologists predicted, Sydeman said.</i></p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t say what percentage are hatchery-raised. Maybe the hatchery-raise chinook don&#8217;t have as good of open-water survival skills as the wild spawned chinook.</p>
<p>They should error on the safe side of conservation and not allow fishing of endangered species and do more habitat studies to find out exactly what&#8217;s happening.</p>
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		<title>By: http://ranggaw0636.student.ipb.ac.id/</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/07/11/the-forecasted-collapse-of-a-fishery-2/#comment-64080</link>
		<dc:creator>http://ranggaw0636.student.ipb.ac.id/</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 04:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of people doesn&#039;t really care, they always think that this kind of thing won&#039; t happen in their generation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of people doesn&#8217;t really care, they always think that this kind of thing won&#8217; t happen in their generation</p>
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		<title>By: Lettuce</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/07/11/the-forecasted-collapse-of-a-fishery-2/#comment-64067</link>
		<dc:creator>Lettuce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 23:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m reminded of Kurt  on the fate of the planet in Man Without A Country: “We could have saved it, but we were too damn cheap and lazy.”&quot;

Yes.  Too damned cheap and lazy.

That keeps away from falling into either side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m reminded of Kurt  on the fate of the planet in Man Without A Country: “We could have saved it, but we were too damn cheap and lazy.”&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes.  Too damned cheap and lazy.</p>
<p>That keeps away from falling into either side.</p>
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		<title>By: Nullius in Verba</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/07/11/the-forecasted-collapse-of-a-fishery-2/#comment-64065</link>
		<dc:creator>Nullius in Verba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A large proportion of the chinook salmon come from human-run hatcheries. The best guess appears to be a reduction in food availability in the oceans, due to light winds reducing nutrient upwelling. It also affected several species of birds with a similar diet to the salmon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A large proportion of the chinook salmon come from human-run hatcheries. The best guess appears to be a reduction in food availability in the oceans, due to light winds reducing nutrient upwelling. It also affected several species of birds with a similar diet to the salmon.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Jones</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/07/11/the-forecasted-collapse-of-a-fishery-2/#comment-64061</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 20:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I&#039;m sure all the industry shills, free market ideologues, and tro . . . &lt;I&gt;sorry&lt;/I&gt;, unpaid citizen-lobbyistswho&#039;ve been fighting action on global warming would be &lt;I&gt;totally onboard&lt;/I&gt; for the measures required to prevent a &lt;I&gt;real&lt;/I&gt; problem like fishery collapses.

Such a stronger international fishing treaty with real teeth, farmers required to reduce fertilizer runoff, stricter protections of coastal wetlands and rivers . . . well, do I need to go on?  It&#039;s axiomatic that the sober cooler heads crowd will support &lt;I&gt;all&lt;/I&gt; of the required measures, no matter what the cost, to protect fisheries.

Well, unless someone comes up with a theory that fisheries collapse all on their own from time to time and that the economic cost to prevent eutrophic dead zones, overfishing, and destruction of spawning ground would just be punishing innocent businessmen. Then they&#039;ll say the problem requires further study.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#8217;m sure all the industry shills, free market ideologues, and tro . . . <i>sorry</i>, unpaid citizen-lobbyistswho&#8217;ve been fighting action on global warming would be <i>totally onboard</i> for the measures required to prevent a <i>real</i> problem like fishery collapses.</p>
<p>Such a stronger international fishing treaty with real teeth, farmers required to reduce fertilizer runoff, stricter protections of coastal wetlands and rivers . . . well, do I need to go on?  It&#8217;s axiomatic that the sober cooler heads crowd will support <i>all</i> of the required measures, no matter what the cost, to protect fisheries.</p>
<p>Well, unless someone comes up with a theory that fisheries collapse all on their own from time to time and that the economic cost to prevent eutrophic dead zones, overfishing, and destruction of spawning ground would just be punishing innocent businessmen. Then they&#8217;ll say the problem requires further study.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody Tanaka</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/07/11/the-forecasted-collapse-of-a-fishery-2/#comment-64056</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody Tanaka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 18:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the fishermen: Too bad, so sad.  Go find a real job.  Maybe this time you&#039;ll get one which doesn&#039;t involve destroying the environment.

As for this &quot;tragedy of the commons&quot; idea, that&#039;s bunk.  That&#039;s just a phrase that the right-wing fools break out as an attempt to deflect blame from themselves when, after fighting mightily to be free of reasonable government restraint and regulation, the predictable result of their rapacious and greedy-assed behavior comes to fruition.  

The problem is that no one in the government has the guts to start telling these greedy bastards to shove it, and to enact the policies necessary to protect the environment, whether these &quot;business&quot; people like it or not. 

And Kurt was only partly right.  We are too cheap and too lazy, but we are also too stupid and too cowardly to force the necessary changes into place while we can.  

We are in a car, driving toward a cliff but, for some reason, give a vote to the suicidal lunatic in the passenger seat when deciding whether or not to turn the wheel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the fishermen: Too bad, so sad.  Go find a real job.  Maybe this time you&#8217;ll get one which doesn&#8217;t involve destroying the environment.</p>
<p>As for this &#8220;tragedy of the commons&#8221; idea, that&#8217;s bunk.  That&#8217;s just a phrase that the right-wing fools break out as an attempt to deflect blame from themselves when, after fighting mightily to be free of reasonable government restraint and regulation, the predictable result of their rapacious and greedy-assed behavior comes to fruition.  </p>
<p>The problem is that no one in the government has the guts to start telling these greedy bastards to shove it, and to enact the policies necessary to protect the environment, whether these &#8220;business&#8221; people like it or not. </p>
<p>And Kurt was only partly right.  We are too cheap and too lazy, but we are also too stupid and too cowardly to force the necessary changes into place while we can.  </p>
<p>We are in a car, driving toward a cliff but, for some reason, give a vote to the suicidal lunatic in the passenger seat when deciding whether or not to turn the wheel.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Knop</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/07/11/the-forecasted-collapse-of-a-fishery-2/#comment-64049</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Knop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 17:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This points to the one sensible argument that global warming may not cause the collapse of civilization.  Fishmageddon is already in progress, and a lot of the world relies on fish for food.  The economic upheaval that fishmageddon may cause could lead to unpleasantness (wars and things) across the world.

The other competitor is the whole fresh water crisis, which may do likewise.

If we manage not to wipe ourselves out because we&#039;re dithering too much on global warming, it will not be because global warming isn&#039;t real, it will be because we dithered too much on other environmental issues that got us first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This points to the one sensible argument that global warming may not cause the collapse of civilization.  Fishmageddon is already in progress, and a lot of the world relies on fish for food.  The economic upheaval that fishmageddon may cause could lead to unpleasantness (wars and things) across the world.</p>
<p>The other competitor is the whole fresh water crisis, which may do likewise.</p>
<p>If we manage not to wipe ourselves out because we&#8217;re dithering too much on global warming, it will not be because global warming isn&#8217;t real, it will be because we dithered too much on other environmental issues that got us first.</p>
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