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		<title>By: Ozonator</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/10/31/hurricane-season-isnt-over/#comment-80735</link>
		<dc:creator>Ozonator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before of reports of 20+ dying in Haiti, “Clean up begins on holiday island of St Lucia after Hurricane Tomas claims 14 lives” (dailymail.co.uk, 11/3/10).  With an EssoMassingill skeptic tank bank account for rape and pillage greater than BP, “‘We plead guilty ... Climate Depot takes full responsibility for the fate of your children and grandchildren from any future man-made climate catastrophe”(“Australian PM warns skeptics ‘are too ‘dangerous to ignore’ and are ‘holding the world to ransom’”, By Marc ‘Eskimo cyst’ Morano, Climate Depot Editorial; editorial abuse by Joseph ‘da wang’ D’Aleo, CCM, IUD, IED, BMF, STD, H1N1, AMS PU jolly fellow, HIV, and ExxonMobil approved TV weather presenter aka another pseudo-scientist and executive dictator; icecap.us, 11/6/09).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before of reports of 20+ dying in Haiti, “Clean up begins on holiday island of St Lucia after Hurricane Tomas claims 14 lives” (dailymail.co.uk, 11/3/10).  With an EssoMassingill skeptic tank bank account for rape and pillage greater than BP, “‘We plead guilty &#8230; Climate Depot takes full responsibility for the fate of your children and grandchildren from any future man-made climate catastrophe”(“Australian PM warns skeptics ‘are too ‘dangerous to ignore’ and are ‘holding the world to ransom’”, By Marc ‘Eskimo cyst’ Morano, Climate Depot Editorial; editorial abuse by Joseph ‘da wang’ D’Aleo, CCM, IUD, IED, BMF, STD, H1N1, AMS PU jolly fellow, HIV, and ExxonMobil approved TV weather presenter aka another pseudo-scientist and executive dictator; icecap.us, 11/6/09).</p>
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		<title>By: Nullius in Verba</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/10/31/hurricane-season-isnt-over/#comment-79456</link>
		<dc:creator>Nullius in Verba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 19:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon #5,

I would hope I have never called anyone here a chimp. And in this case I was &lt;i&gt;complimenting&lt;/i&gt; the presentation of the science.

On other occasions, both here and in other venues, the subject of hurricanes has been most unfortunately linked to climate change - suggesting that they&#039;re measurably increasing in number or intensity or something and that this is a SIGN. The reference to Morano above indicates that it is still hovering around in the background, but Chris was careful not to say it. So I was just giving some positive feedback - if you only hear from me when I&#039;m complaining about something, you might get the impression that there&#039;s no pleasing me. I liked this post. It just gives some genuinely interesting stats on Atlantic hurricanes and leaves it at that. So I thought I&#039;d offer a few more, and say well done.

And if he can manage it next time without mentioning Morano, I probably won&#039;t bring the subject up at all. :-)

JMW #6,

Yes, it was something like that. Morano is a moderately useful news agregator, but his tendency towards over-dramatised, tongue-in-cheek polemic means that his commentary is not the sort of thing to be taken seriously, even by sceptics. Chris only cites him rather than somebody like Roger Pielke Snr because he&#039;s popular and he casts sceptics in a bad light. (Which is fair enough.)

On this occasion, Morano was alluding to all the past media hype portraying Katrina as a sign of global warming, of Al Gore putting pictures of hurricanes on the front of his video and books, of repeated (and misleading) the claims of increasing hurricane damage in the United States and the foretelling of even more to try to scare people, and noting that had this year&#039;s hurricane season been bad, the media would have been filled with it, as it was a few years ago when there was a peak - but that on the subject of an equally unusual &lt;i&gt;lack&lt;/i&gt; of hurricanes making landfall, leading to a record-breaking extreme of the &lt;i&gt;opposite&lt;/i&gt; sign, the media is strangely silent. His point was to contrast the two responses.

It&#039;s arguably an unfair point, since it is a general truism in journalism that good news is no news, and since the &#039;weather-is-not-climate&#039; message has by now percolated into the media&#039;s mental sphere to the point where they quite possibly &lt;i&gt;wouldn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; have gone nuts again over a bad season. But it plays well to Morano&#039;s political base, and it&#039;s as well to keep reminding people so there&#039;s no backsliding to the bad old days of &#039;hot-weather-is-a-sure-sign-of-dangerous-climate-change-but-cold-weather-is-just-weather&#039; reporting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon #5,</p>
<p>I would hope I have never called anyone here a chimp. And in this case I was <i>complimenting</i> the presentation of the science.</p>
<p>On other occasions, both here and in other venues, the subject of hurricanes has been most unfortunately linked to climate change &#8211; suggesting that they&#8217;re measurably increasing in number or intensity or something and that this is a SIGN. The reference to Morano above indicates that it is still hovering around in the background, but Chris was careful not to say it. So I was just giving some positive feedback &#8211; if you only hear from me when I&#8217;m complaining about something, you might get the impression that there&#8217;s no pleasing me. I liked this post. It just gives some genuinely interesting stats on Atlantic hurricanes and leaves it at that. So I thought I&#8217;d offer a few more, and say well done.</p>
<p>And if he can manage it next time without mentioning Morano, I probably won&#8217;t bring the subject up at all. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>JMW #6,</p>
<p>Yes, it was something like that. Morano is a moderately useful news agregator, but his tendency towards over-dramatised, tongue-in-cheek polemic means that his commentary is not the sort of thing to be taken seriously, even by sceptics. Chris only cites him rather than somebody like Roger Pielke Snr because he&#8217;s popular and he casts sceptics in a bad light. (Which is fair enough.)</p>
<p>On this occasion, Morano was alluding to all the past media hype portraying Katrina as a sign of global warming, of Al Gore putting pictures of hurricanes on the front of his video and books, of repeated (and misleading) the claims of increasing hurricane damage in the United States and the foretelling of even more to try to scare people, and noting that had this year&#8217;s hurricane season been bad, the media would have been filled with it, as it was a few years ago when there was a peak &#8211; but that on the subject of an equally unusual <i>lack</i> of hurricanes making landfall, leading to a record-breaking extreme of the <i>opposite</i> sign, the media is strangely silent. His point was to contrast the two responses.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s arguably an unfair point, since it is a general truism in journalism that good news is no news, and since the &#8216;weather-is-not-climate&#8217; message has by now percolated into the media&#8217;s mental sphere to the point where they quite possibly <i>wouldn&#8217;t</i> have gone nuts again over a bad season. But it plays well to Morano&#8217;s political base, and it&#8217;s as well to keep reminding people so there&#8217;s no backsliding to the bad old days of &#8216;hot-weather-is-a-sure-sign-of-dangerous-climate-change-but-cold-weather-is-just-weather&#8217; reporting.</p>
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		<title>By: JMW</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/10/31/hurricane-season-isnt-over/#comment-79398</link>
		<dc:creator>JMW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 12:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t read Marc Morano&#039;s comments from where I am, but I&#039;m guessing from the way you refer to them that it&#039;s in the mode of &quot;no major hurricanes hit the US, so the hurricane season wasn&#039;t bad, so there&#039;s no AGW.  Nyah!&quot;

I hope I&#039;m doing him an injustice.

But if I&#039;m not, it reminds me of the stand up comedian who parodied the American MSM with &quot;...Something truly horrible happened today in Africa, but no Americans were involved.  Moving right along...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t read Marc Morano&#8217;s comments from where I am, but I&#8217;m guessing from the way you refer to them that it&#8217;s in the mode of &#8220;no major hurricanes hit the US, so the hurricane season wasn&#8217;t bad, so there&#8217;s no AGW.  Nyah!&#8221;</p>
<p>I hope I&#8217;m doing him an injustice.</p>
<p>But if I&#8217;m not, it reminds me of the stand up comedian who parodied the American MSM with &#8220;&#8230;Something truly horrible happened today in Africa, but no Americans were involved.  Moving right along&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/10/31/hurricane-season-isnt-over/#comment-79308</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 19:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nullius-- He&#039;s no chimp. He wrote a book on the subject of hurricanes and climate change, and talked to scientists to write it... But I know your opinion of all scientists except for S Fred Singer and Steve McIntire, so that probably wouldn&#039;t impress you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nullius&#8211; He&#8217;s no chimp. He wrote a book on the subject of hurricanes and climate change, and talked to scientists to write it&#8230; But I know your opinion of all scientists except for S Fred Singer and Steve McIntire, so that probably wouldn&#8217;t impress you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nullius in Verba</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/10/31/hurricane-season-isnt-over/#comment-79307</link>
		<dc:creator>Nullius in Verba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s some data on accumulated cyclone energy (ACE) which is how they tend to measure hurricane intensity nowadays.
http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/

The Atlantic showed an above average season, mainly due to Igor, but the Pacific was at a historic low. It&#039;s a very variable sort of weather, though, and such patterns in the noise don&#039;t mean very much. It&#039;s a bit of a Rorschach ink blot test, really.

I&#039;m impressed that you resisted the temptation to mention climate change. Very good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s some data on accumulated cyclone energy (ACE) which is how they tend to measure hurricane intensity nowadays.<br />
<a href="http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/" rel="nofollow">http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/</a></p>
<p>The Atlantic showed an above average season, mainly due to Igor, but the Pacific was at a historic low. It&#8217;s a very variable sort of weather, though, and such patterns in the noise don&#8217;t mean very much. It&#8217;s a bit of a Rorschach ink blot test, really.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m impressed that you resisted the temptation to mention climate change. Very good!</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/10/31/hurricane-season-isnt-over/#comment-79306</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 17:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We haven&#039;t really felt this hurricane season?  Are you kidding me???

Just because there wasn&#039;t a Category 3 hurricane that made landfall in New Orleans doesn&#039;t mean this season hasn&#039;t been destructive.  Might I remind you Tropical Storm Hermine dropped 16 inches in Georgetown, TX! Not to mention some other cities were completely under water.  That storm was absolutely brutal.  Hurricane Alex also made landfall in Texas and was a record-breaking storm for hurricanes in June, and also dropped a large amount of rain and flooded the Rio Grande for WEEKS after it had dissipated.  So, check your facts before you make stupid claims like that... it&#039;s been a pretty bad season for Texas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We haven&#8217;t really felt this hurricane season?  Are you kidding me???</p>
<p>Just because there wasn&#8217;t a Category 3 hurricane that made landfall in New Orleans doesn&#8217;t mean this season hasn&#8217;t been destructive.  Might I remind you Tropical Storm Hermine dropped 16 inches in Georgetown, TX! Not to mention some other cities were completely under water.  That storm was absolutely brutal.  Hurricane Alex also made landfall in Texas and was a record-breaking storm for hurricanes in June, and also dropped a large amount of rain and flooded the Rio Grande for WEEKS after it had dissipated.  So, check your facts before you make stupid claims like that&#8230; it&#8217;s been a pretty bad season for Texas.</p>
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		<title>By: Oakden Wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oakden Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 16:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it caught me by surprise that there was an S storm and a T storm active in the Atlantic right now.  But I still remember back when Hurricane Kate hit the Florida Panhandle in December &#039;85.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it caught me by surprise that there was an S storm and a T storm active in the Atlantic right now.  But I still remember back when Hurricane Kate hit the Florida Panhandle in December &#8217;85.</p>
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		<title>By: ChH</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/10/31/hurricane-season-isnt-over/#comment-79291</link>
		<dc:creator>ChH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;water temperatures are at a record warmth&quot;
So ... the seven most active hurricane seasons in the past 150 years were 1887, 1933, 1969, 1993, 1995, 2005 and 2010 - with the caveat that the seasons before 1960 were busier than we realized...
Does this correlate with SST&#039;s?
The question is not &quot;what is the absolute water temperature&quot;, but rather &quot;what is the differential between water and air temperature?&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;water temperatures are at a record warmth&#8221;<br />
So &#8230; the seven most active hurricane seasons in the past 150 years were 1887, 1933, 1969, 1993, 1995, 2005 and 2010 &#8211; with the caveat that the seasons before 1960 were busier than we realized&#8230;<br />
Does this correlate with SST&#8217;s?<br />
The question is not &#8220;what is the absolute water temperature&#8221;, but rather &#8220;what is the differential between water and air temperature?&#8221;.</p>
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