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	<title>Comments on: Woman and Energy on Film</title>
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		<title>By: Matt B.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/03/07/woman-and-energy-on-film/#comment-91485</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 22:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how many of the movies listed would fail the Bechdel test for male presence. I know it wouldn&#039;t be many, but I had the feeling on a few that they might fail because of small casts. E.g. &lt;i&gt;The Terminator&lt;/i&gt;.

As a hetero guy I would &lt;i&gt;rather&lt;/i&gt; see a movie or TV show with female presence. And I haven&#039;t figured out why network programmers haven&#039;t thought of that. I watched NBC&#039;s &quot;Must She TV&quot; rather than Monday Night Football (of course I don&#039;t care about football in the first place, so that wasn&#039;t much of a contest). But they put those sitcoms on Monday so women, not men, would have something to watch.

I detest shows where the woman is merely a zero-dimensional object of affection for the man, or where the only personality the writers could think to give the woman is clumsiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how many of the movies listed would fail the Bechdel test for male presence. I know it wouldn&#8217;t be many, but I had the feeling on a few that they might fail because of small casts. E.g. <i>The Terminator</i>.</p>
<p>As a hetero guy I would <i>rather</i> see a movie or TV show with female presence. And I haven&#8217;t figured out why network programmers haven&#8217;t thought of that. I watched NBC&#8217;s &#8220;Must She TV&#8221; rather than Monday Night Football (of course I don&#8217;t care about football in the first place, so that wasn&#8217;t much of a contest). But they put those sitcoms on Monday so women, not men, would have something to watch.</p>
<p>I detest shows where the woman is merely a zero-dimensional object of affection for the man, or where the only personality the writers could think to give the woman is clumsiness.</p>
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		<title>By: Karmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 21:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed! I&#039;ve been a little nostalgic for the old Sb days lately, and hunting everyone down. It&#039;s good to see all this success. :) 

I&#039;ve never seen any of the films you mentioned... I&#039;m adding them all to my netflix queue and looking forward to seeing the subversion of this trend!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed! I&#8217;ve been a little nostalgic for the old Sb days lately, and hunting everyone down. It&#8217;s good to see all this success. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never seen any of the films you mentioned&#8230; I&#8217;m adding them all to my netflix queue and looking forward to seeing the subversion of this trend!</p>
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		<title>By: Sheril Kirshenbaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheril Kirshenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 19:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karmen,
So nice to see your comment! We were neighbors on ScienceBlogs long ago :)

Mostly, you&#039;re right, but there are definitely exceptions in history. One example that stands out is &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_%28film%29&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tulsa&lt;/a&gt;. And then there&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silkwood&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Silkwood&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Syndrome&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The China Syndrome&lt;/a&gt; too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karmen,<br />
So nice to see your comment! We were neighbors on ScienceBlogs long ago <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Mostly, you&#8217;re right, but there are definitely exceptions in history. One example that stands out is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_%28film%29" rel="nofollow">Tulsa</a>. And then there&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silkwood" rel="nofollow">Silkwood</a>. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Syndrome" rel="nofollow">The China Syndrome</a> too.</p>
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		<title>By: Karmen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/03/07/woman-and-energy-on-film/#comment-91341</link>
		<dc:creator>Karmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 17:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sheril... ltns! I see you&#039;re about to pop open a big can of worms here. Or is it the elephant in the room? No matter the metaphor, the Bechdel test is only going to scratch the surface. We have a long history of women in film fawning over technology. Apparently, we are supposed to adore guys who drive expensive, loud cars. We can&#039;t live without our dishwashers, our microwaves, our irons, and vacuum cleaners... we are seen using them all the time. Apparently, men in movies don&#039;t usually know how to work these strange devices. But why should they? In film, the dishwasher is a mother&#039;s luxury; it makes her life easier. 

In movies, women are never the producers of energy, but we sure are consumers! In movies, we are obsessed with shopping. The woman is sad? She should go shopping. The woman is mad at her man? She should go shopping. Take public transportation? Never! She needs a minivan for all those packages, or at the very least, a taxi. 

This focus on the world of men, showing women silently (but happily) using energy-consuming products, driving, and shopping, deliberately avoids certain situations. Women in movies never have to deal with rising energy bills. They never talk about efficiency or try to reduce their carbon imprints (let alone reduce the amount of clutter created by endless shopping trips!) Women in movies never use recycling bins or CFLs. They never have problems with brownouts, or water contaminated by fracking. All of these things would break the illusion that movies create: women as the blissful consumers of energy, energy magically bestowed upon them by men. 

Good luck with your panel!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sheril&#8230; ltns! I see you&#8217;re about to pop open a big can of worms here. Or is it the elephant in the room? No matter the metaphor, the Bechdel test is only going to scratch the surface. We have a long history of women in film fawning over technology. Apparently, we are supposed to adore guys who drive expensive, loud cars. We can&#8217;t live without our dishwashers, our microwaves, our irons, and vacuum cleaners&#8230; we are seen using them all the time. Apparently, men in movies don&#8217;t usually know how to work these strange devices. But why should they? In film, the dishwasher is a mother&#8217;s luxury; it makes her life easier. </p>
<p>In movies, women are never the producers of energy, but we sure are consumers! In movies, we are obsessed with shopping. The woman is sad? She should go shopping. The woman is mad at her man? She should go shopping. Take public transportation? Never! She needs a minivan for all those packages, or at the very least, a taxi. </p>
<p>This focus on the world of men, showing women silently (but happily) using energy-consuming products, driving, and shopping, deliberately avoids certain situations. Women in movies never have to deal with rising energy bills. They never talk about efficiency or try to reduce their carbon imprints (let alone reduce the amount of clutter created by endless shopping trips!) Women in movies never use recycling bins or CFLs. They never have problems with brownouts, or water contaminated by fracking. All of these things would break the illusion that movies create: women as the blissful consumers of energy, energy magically bestowed upon them by men. </p>
<p>Good luck with your panel!</p>
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