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	<title>Comments on: Changes and New Challenges for Women in Academia</title>
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	<description>Where science collides with life, slams into culture, crashes with politics, and gets totaled.</description>
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		<title>By: AmoebaMike</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/03/21/changes-and-new-challenges-for-women-in-academia/#comment-93677</link>
		<dc:creator>AmoebaMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheril, I often wonder if I&#039;m doing anything on my blog to promote women into science. I can&#039;t help but think there&#039;s nothing I can do. It&#039;s a sad feeling.

I want to encourage _all_ who are interested in science to go for it!  

Even in my job, I work to make sure that science access is available to those it&#039;s ordinarily not available for.

What should I be doing? Can you take a look at my blog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheril, I often wonder if I&#8217;m doing anything on my blog to promote women into science. I can&#8217;t help but think there&#8217;s nothing I can do. It&#8217;s a sad feeling.</p>
<p>I want to encourage _all_ who are interested in science to go for it!  </p>
<p>Even in my job, I work to make sure that science access is available to those it&#8217;s ordinarily not available for.</p>
<p>What should I be doing? Can you take a look at my blog?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike H</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/03/21/changes-and-new-challenges-for-women-in-academia/#comment-93544</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Summer’s comments were deliberately provocative and intended to stir debate on the subject. Summers only suggested innate differences as one possible explanation for the disparity of numbers. He was not asserting the truth of that proposition. Unfortunately he spoke about a politically sensitive subject and paid for it with his job. Academic freedom and the ability to debate highly controversial topics only goes so far in academia! 

The fact is that women comprise a disproportionally small number of engineering, science and technology professionals. This is lack of participation is made even more stark when one sees what field within engineering, science and technology women actually do go into. Women in biological sciences, yes, women in math, no. Women in “social sciences” (as if there were such a thing) yes, women in physics, no. From my own personal experiences, I have found that women tend to congregate in engineering filed where physical sciences are more pronounce: chemical, biomedical, environmental and less so when they are more technology driven: mechanical, nuclear, electrical. 

The notion that women and men’s brains are different on a fundamental level is a scientific fact that no amount of gender identity politics can undo. Does this fundamental difference translate into career preferences and even abilities, once again, the answer is most likely yes. Men and women evolved with a set of different specialized skills, some of the skills men evolved with make them more apt for engineering, science and technology. 

That we have an ongoing debate framed in emotional terms speaks volumes to the concept of politicization of science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Summer’s comments were deliberately provocative and intended to stir debate on the subject. Summers only suggested innate differences as one possible explanation for the disparity of numbers. He was not asserting the truth of that proposition. Unfortunately he spoke about a politically sensitive subject and paid for it with his job. Academic freedom and the ability to debate highly controversial topics only goes so far in academia! </p>
<p>The fact is that women comprise a disproportionally small number of engineering, science and technology professionals. This is lack of participation is made even more stark when one sees what field within engineering, science and technology women actually do go into. Women in biological sciences, yes, women in math, no. Women in “social sciences” (as if there were such a thing) yes, women in physics, no. From my own personal experiences, I have found that women tend to congregate in engineering filed where physical sciences are more pronounce: chemical, biomedical, environmental and less so when they are more technology driven: mechanical, nuclear, electrical. </p>
<p>The notion that women and men’s brains are different on a fundamental level is a scientific fact that no amount of gender identity politics can undo. Does this fundamental difference translate into career preferences and even abilities, once again, the answer is most likely yes. Men and women evolved with a set of different specialized skills, some of the skills men evolved with make them more apt for engineering, science and technology. </p>
<p>That we have an ongoing debate framed in emotional terms speaks volumes to the concept of politicization of science.</p>
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		<title>By: Suffrage, art and science &#8211; The Scientist &#171; The Art of Science</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/03/21/changes-and-new-challenges-for-women-in-academia/#comment-93500</link>
		<dc:creator>Suffrage, art and science &#8211; The Scientist &#171; The Art of Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 03:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MIT abusers</title>
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		<dc:creator>MIT abusers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 23:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the men of MIT who have abused women in academia, both sexually and psychologically? Will there be a celebration of them, too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the men of MIT who have abused women in academia, both sexually and psychologically? Will there be a celebration of them, too?</p>
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		<title>By: Curious Wavefunction</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/03/21/changes-and-new-challenges-for-women-in-academia/#comment-93470</link>
		<dc:creator>Curious Wavefunction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Summers is nothing if not a pompous blowhole who continues to wreak havoc with his exlcusive access to Obama. However I am intrigued by Steven Pinker&#039;s (who is not known to be irrational, rash or sexist) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2005/1/19/psychoanalysis-q-and-a-steven-pinker-in-an/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reaction&lt;/a&gt; to Summers&#039;s statement.

Incidentally I attended a talk at the Grace Hopper Confgerence for Women in Computing in which the speaker talked about how prevalent the Imposter Syndrome is among women. There are also myriad ways in which women are subtly discriminated against. For instance recommendation letters for men will typically stress research potential and intelligence while those for women will talk more about sociability, service and ability to get along. We need to observe and deal with these biases as well as we can. The best documentation of all the small and big ways in which women are discriminated against is to be found in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=11741&amp;page=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NAS report&lt;/a&gt; titled &quot;Beyond Bias and Barriers: Fulfilling the Potential of Women in Academic Science and Engineering (2007)&quot; which is extremely readable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Summers is nothing if not a pompous blowhole who continues to wreak havoc with his exlcusive access to Obama. However I am intrigued by Steven Pinker&#8217;s (who is not known to be irrational, rash or sexist) <a href="http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2005/1/19/psychoanalysis-q-and-a-steven-pinker-in-an/" rel="nofollow">reaction</a> to Summers&#8217;s statement.</p>
<p>Incidentally I attended a talk at the Grace Hopper Confgerence for Women in Computing in which the speaker talked about how prevalent the Imposter Syndrome is among women. There are also myriad ways in which women are subtly discriminated against. For instance recommendation letters for men will typically stress research potential and intelligence while those for women will talk more about sociability, service and ability to get along. We need to observe and deal with these biases as well as we can. The best documentation of all the small and big ways in which women are discriminated against is to be found in the <a href="http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=11741&amp;page=1" rel="nofollow">NAS report</a> titled &#8220;Beyond Bias and Barriers: Fulfilling the Potential of Women in Academic Science and Engineering (2007)&#8221; which is extremely readable.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocket Scientista</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/03/21/changes-and-new-challenges-for-women-in-academia/#comment-93452</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocket Scientista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least MIT is hosting a symposium to celebrate its women! http://mit150.mit.edu/symposia/women-of-MIT

Also, though I didn&#039;t go, I got into MIT as an undergrad, and had classmates at the school I went to (who didn&#039;t get in) tell me that I only got in because I was a girl, too.  It&#039;s pretty pervasive, that feeling.  And it&#039;s tough to push past-- no wonder women often suffer from Impostor Syndrome.


There is still quite a long way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least MIT is hosting a symposium to celebrate its women! <a href="http://mit150.mit.edu/symposia/women-of-MIT" rel="nofollow">http://mit150.mit.edu/symposia/women-of-MIT</a></p>
<p>Also, though I didn&#8217;t go, I got into MIT as an undergrad, and had classmates at the school I went to (who didn&#8217;t get in) tell me that I only got in because I was a girl, too.  It&#8217;s pretty pervasive, that feeling.  And it&#8217;s tough to push past&#8211; no wonder women often suffer from Impostor Syndrome.</p>
<p>There is still quite a long way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheril Kirshenbaum</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/03/21/changes-and-new-challenges-for-women-in-academia/#comment-93438</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheril Kirshenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 15:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for catching that Jim Johnson, I&#039;ve fixed the link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for catching that Jim Johnson, I&#8217;ve fixed the link.</p>
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		<title>By: KateClancy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/03/21/changes-and-new-challenges-for-women-in-academia/#comment-93435</link>
		<dc:creator>KateClancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 15:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheril, thanks for pointing out a great article. I do think the most important point here, in terms of improving representation for women and people of color, is that the search is being broadened. These aren&#039;t less qualified people, these are people who are historically overlooked. It&#039;s like the conversations that happened during and after Science Online 2011, where no matter how many great female sciencebloggers there are, the first five most people mention are always men. I was as guilty as anyone else. We forget our own people.

As a total aside: Lorna Gibson, the faculty member pictured in the piece, is my husband&#039;s former advisor. She is a fantastic person and mentor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheril, thanks for pointing out a great article. I do think the most important point here, in terms of improving representation for women and people of color, is that the search is being broadened. These aren&#8217;t less qualified people, these are people who are historically overlooked. It&#8217;s like the conversations that happened during and after Science Online 2011, where no matter how many great female sciencebloggers there are, the first five most people mention are always men. I was as guilty as anyone else. We forget our own people.</p>
<p>As a total aside: Lorna Gibson, the faculty member pictured in the piece, is my husband&#8217;s former advisor. She is a fantastic person and mentor.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 15:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheril, if your stance is that sex discrimination is still real in Science and Mathematics professions, then you might want to link to a different article for info on Lawrence H Summers.   The one you linked to appears to be a strongly biased anti-feminist article saying in effect that  what Summers said was right, and that those who responded negatively to his statement were (supposedly) all radical feminists who stood to gain financially by increasing quotas and grants for feminine academics.  The article&#039;s subtitle pretty much says it all, &quot;The hysteria about Summers furthers the career agendas of feminists who seek quotas for themselves and their friends.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheril, if your stance is that sex discrimination is still real in Science and Mathematics professions, then you might want to link to a different article for info on Lawrence H Summers.   The one you linked to appears to be a strongly biased anti-feminist article saying in effect that  what Summers said was right, and that those who responded negatively to his statement were (supposedly) all radical feminists who stood to gain financially by increasing quotas and grants for feminine academics.  The article&#8217;s subtitle pretty much says it all, &#8220;The hysteria about Summers furthers the career agendas of feminists who seek quotas for themselves and their friends.&#8221;</p>
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