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	<title>Comments on: What is Motivated Reasoning? How Does It Work? Dan Kahan Answers</title>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 14:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Motivated reasoning was on display grandly during Chris Mooney&#039;s POI interview.  I&#039;m surprised he hasn&#039;t linked to it from the intersection yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Motivated reasoning was on display grandly during Chris Mooney&#8217;s POI interview.  I&#8217;m surprised he hasn&#8217;t linked to it from the intersection yet.</p>
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		<title>By: The GCOE &#171; Daily Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>The GCOE &#171; Daily Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 22:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] care that the report that made this declaration was sponsored by the Partnership for New York City? Motivated reason much? Well, I don&#8217;t care. I&#8217;ve long described New York as the Greatest City On Earth, [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] care that the report that made this declaration was sponsored by the Partnership for New York City? Motivated reason much? Well, I don&#8217;t care. I&#8217;ve long described New York as the Greatest City On Earth, [...] </p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Deathers&#8221; Offer a Unique Case Study for the Formulation of the Denialist Mentality &#124; The Intersection &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Deathers&#8221; Offer a Unique Case Study for the Formulation of the Denialist Mentality &#124; The Intersection &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 12:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with President Obama, regardless of the benefits that might come from his service. According to Dan Kahan, one of the thought leaders in this field, this all happens subconsciously. Therefore, the deather [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] with President Obama, regardless of the benefits that might come from his service. According to Dan Kahan, one of the thought leaders in this field, this all happens subconsciously. Therefore, the deather [...] </p>
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		<title>By: James in NJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>James in NJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 11:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question: Granting that I could be entirely missing the point, don&#039;t we already have a word for the phenomenon of &quot;motivated cognition&quot;; namely &quot;prejudice&quot;? If not, how is motivated cognition different?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question: Granting that I could be entirely missing the point, don&#8217;t we already have a word for the phenomenon of &#8220;motivated cognition&#8221;; namely &#8220;prejudice&#8221;? If not, how is motivated cognition different?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 21:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure if this counts as biased assimilation or identity-protective cognition. I started a discussion on a blog asking people how they would rewrite the 2nd Amendment to say more clearly what they think it says. After a hundred comments, &lt;b&gt;no one&lt;/b&gt; had offered a rewrite, but several had claimed that the 2nd Amendment &lt;b&gt;already clearly&lt;/b&gt; showed their interpretation (despite the raging arguments going on about it). This came from both sides of the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if this counts as biased assimilation or identity-protective cognition. I started a discussion on a blog asking people how they would rewrite the 2nd Amendment to say more clearly what they think it says. After a hundred comments, <b>no one</b> had offered a rewrite, but several had claimed that the 2nd Amendment <b>already clearly</b> showed their interpretation (despite the raging arguments going on about it). This came from both sides of the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 21:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to propose an alternate way of looking at this.  To me, alleviating biased cognition in all its forms is actually a function of practice.  Before you continue reading, note that I said alleviate, as in lessen or diminish, NOT eliminate.  :)   While I do believe the effects of biased cognition can be dealt with, and eventually evolved out of the human condition, I do not feel our generations of individuals can completely eliminate it.  It&#039;s too new in our collective realization, and in fact our culture reinforces biased cognition for a variety of reasons already stated in other posts.

I speak only from my own experiences, of course, based on learning about this peculiarity of our minds from my grandmother at age six.  Every time I ran crying to her when something &quot;went wrong,&quot; she would always stop me, calm me down, then ask me if I was telling her what my mind thought about what happened or if I was telling her what happened.  By practicing that distinction between what happened versus what my mind interpreted, I find that I am able to see this in action within my own mind, and of course in the minds of others.  Some folks think me quite weird, in fact, when I suddenly point out potentially flawed assumptions or interpretive reasoning behind my own opinions.

I&#039;m going to stop you again, since I&#039;m relatively certain some of you are thinking that I just said I don&#039;t suffer from biased cognition.  Quite the contrary!  I am merely saying that I can habitually see biased cognition in operation, even within myself, due to practicing this mental distinction exercise repeatedly for 36 years.  On the flip side, I do sometimes wonder if I invent a perception of biased cognition because that&#039;s what I expect to see, but that&#039;s a rabbit hole I don&#039;t want to follow just now.  :)

Suffice to say, I don&#039;t feel humanity is saddled with this mental habit of believing what best supports our existing opinions, even if reality is quite different.  We evolved this way in the first place, so I fully believe we will evolve differently over time as humanity grows and develops.

What I currently don&#039;t understand, however, is how anyone could deny that we humans do this, when the preponderance of evidence is absolutely overwhelming!  I fully expect, at some future date, that the humans of the future will look back at us and say &quot;We used to be so insane!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to propose an alternate way of looking at this.  To me, alleviating biased cognition in all its forms is actually a function of practice.  Before you continue reading, note that I said alleviate, as in lessen or diminish, NOT eliminate.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />    While I do believe the effects of biased cognition can be dealt with, and eventually evolved out of the human condition, I do not feel our generations of individuals can completely eliminate it.  It&#8217;s too new in our collective realization, and in fact our culture reinforces biased cognition for a variety of reasons already stated in other posts.</p>
<p>I speak only from my own experiences, of course, based on learning about this peculiarity of our minds from my grandmother at age six.  Every time I ran crying to her when something &#8220;went wrong,&#8221; she would always stop me, calm me down, then ask me if I was telling her what my mind thought about what happened or if I was telling her what happened.  By practicing that distinction between what happened versus what my mind interpreted, I find that I am able to see this in action within my own mind, and of course in the minds of others.  Some folks think me quite weird, in fact, when I suddenly point out potentially flawed assumptions or interpretive reasoning behind my own opinions.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to stop you again, since I&#8217;m relatively certain some of you are thinking that I just said I don&#8217;t suffer from biased cognition.  Quite the contrary!  I am merely saying that I can habitually see biased cognition in operation, even within myself, due to practicing this mental distinction exercise repeatedly for 36 years.  On the flip side, I do sometimes wonder if I invent a perception of biased cognition because that&#8217;s what I expect to see, but that&#8217;s a rabbit hole I don&#8217;t want to follow just now.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Suffice to say, I don&#8217;t feel humanity is saddled with this mental habit of believing what best supports our existing opinions, even if reality is quite different.  We evolved this way in the first place, so I fully believe we will evolve differently over time as humanity grows and develops.</p>
<p>What I currently don&#8217;t understand, however, is how anyone could deny that we humans do this, when the preponderance of evidence is absolutely overwhelming!  I fully expect, at some future date, that the humans of the future will look back at us and say &#8220;We used to be so insane!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dark Tent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dark Tent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 19:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More examples of &quot;motivated reasoning&quot; at the very highest levels of science:

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&quot;Even when the evidence was going against them, Nobel prize-winners Murray Gell-Mann and Richard Feynman clung on to cherished theories just because they thought they were “beautiful”...
Paul Dirac famously asserted that: “It is more important to have beauty in one’s equations than to have them fit experiment.” Richard Feynman, too, insisted on believing in one of his theories even when it seemed to contradict experimental data. “There was a moment when I knew how nature worked,” he wrote in 1957. “[The theory] had elegance and beauty.”...

Despite the high reputation of the physicists responsible for the actual experiments, Feynman and Gell-Mann’s response was that there was something wrong with the experiments. They were right. Thus although experiments are essential for scientific theories, certain theories are just too important – too beautiful, one could say –to be discarded when the experiments don’t go your way.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;-- &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.arthurimiller.com/AThingofBeautyPERSPECTIVES.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Thing Of Beauty (Arthur I Miller)&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More examples of &#8220;motivated reasoning&#8221; at the very highest levels of science:</p>
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&#8220;Even when the evidence was going against them, Nobel prize-winners Murray Gell-Mann and Richard Feynman clung on to cherished theories just because they thought they were “beautiful”&#8230;<br />
Paul Dirac famously asserted that: “It is more important to have beauty in one’s equations than to have them fit experiment.” Richard Feynman, too, insisted on believing in one of his theories even when it seemed to contradict experimental data. “There was a moment when I knew how nature worked,” he wrote in 1957. “[The theory] had elegance and beauty.”&#8230;</p>
<p>Despite the high reputation of the physicists responsible for the actual experiments, Feynman and Gell-Mann’s response was that there was something wrong with the experiments. They were right. Thus although experiments are essential for scientific theories, certain theories are just too important – too beautiful, one could say –to be discarded when the experiments don’t go your way.</p>
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<p>&#8211; <a href="http://www.arthurimiller.com/AThingofBeautyPERSPECTIVES.pdf" rel="nofollow">A Thing Of Beauty (Arthur I Miller)</a></p>
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		<title>By: dk</title>
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		<dc:creator>dk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 16:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike: as Chris says, No. The work my own research group does is very much aimed at demonstrating the symmetry of  one form of motivated cognition -- what we call cultural cognition, to draw attention to a particular account of what the source of the motivation is -- across persons of diverse outlooks. One study we did, e.g., shows that perceptions of &quot;scientific consensus&quot; are motivated by cultural values (though the mechanism of the &quot;availability effect&quot;), generating skewed patterns of perceptions of what most scientists believe on a variety of issues. Measured against a baseline like the National Academy of Science&#039;s &quot;expert consensus&quot; reports, nearly all groups are &quot;right&quot; on some issues, &quot;wrong&quot; on others-- which is to say, that anyone who thinks that only &quot;those guys&quot; are suffering from motivated cognition is, as it turns out, likely displaying a form of motivated reasoning (one that causes them to see its impact only in others...).  Do you not think a science that would help people overcome the mistakes they are making about the sources of conflict about science in our Republic -- mistakes that in fact reinforce the conflict by provoking istrust and recrimination -- is a good investment for our society? I hope it turns out to be.

--dk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike: as Chris says, No. The work my own research group does is very much aimed at demonstrating the symmetry of  one form of motivated cognition &#8212; what we call cultural cognition, to draw attention to a particular account of what the source of the motivation is &#8212; across persons of diverse outlooks. One study we did, e.g., shows that perceptions of &#8220;scientific consensus&#8221; are motivated by cultural values (though the mechanism of the &#8220;availability effect&#8221;), generating skewed patterns of perceptions of what most scientists believe on a variety of issues. Measured against a baseline like the National Academy of Science&#8217;s &#8220;expert consensus&#8221; reports, nearly all groups are &#8220;right&#8221; on some issues, &#8220;wrong&#8221; on others&#8211; which is to say, that anyone who thinks that only &#8220;those guys&#8221; are suffering from motivated cognition is, as it turns out, likely displaying a form of motivated reasoning (one that causes them to see its impact only in others&#8230;).  Do you not think a science that would help people overcome the mistakes they are making about the sources of conflict about science in our Republic &#8212; mistakes that in fact reinforce the conflict by provoking istrust and recrimination &#8212; is a good investment for our society? I hope it turns out to be.</p>
<p>&#8211;dk</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Zwissler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander Zwissler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 16:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kirk...well played sir</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirk&#8230;well played sir</p>
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		<title>By: kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 16:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A more basic theory of the phenomina might include the tendency of Bayesian Inference to just get things completely wrong. The prior probability of an untested hypothesis might start at 50% or coin toss chance. When the first new evidence arrives, let&#039;s say &#039;paper&#039; vs. &#039;Plastic&#039; bag at the grocery store. Repeated cognitive effort might lead two different agents, let&#039;s say a Soccer Mom in a big hurry to get food on the table vs. a green hippie tree hugger will use each factoid differently. As a hippie I believe (my first hypothesis) that plastic in any form will harm Gaia. A soccer mom likes plastic because it fits all of the bathroom trash bins and saves on buying MORE plastic in the form of Hefty Trash Sacks. The agents both agree on the PROBABILITY of the evidence - plastic bags are worse than paper bags because of two orthogonal factoids. But the Bayesian method lead to possibly matching or possibly mis-matching desired outcomes. The soccer mom may decide not to line the trash-can and change the INTERPRETATION of the Bayesian result. Paper sacks win the contest when the kids go away to college.

But motivated reasoning outside of a controlled study can never be pinned down. Think of it this way. I know that of the 100 employess I hire only 20 of them will deliver 80% of the goodness I hired them for. The obvious solution is to continuously cull at least the bottom 20% because these individuals actually detract from good outcomes. This is a just so story. The real trick - correctly FINDING the lower 20% is now the big problem to solve. But what are the factoids and what probability do I assign to the evidence that Joe is a water cooler jockey that detracts from the strategic and tactical success of the organization. Again, the HR manager thinks Joe is okay because he turns in his performance objectives on time and always meets the idiotic HR guidelines while guarding the water cooler.

Which facts wins the day? What alternative facts lose the day?

Of course this is just my cognitive bias, I could be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A more basic theory of the phenomina might include the tendency of Bayesian Inference to just get things completely wrong. The prior probability of an untested hypothesis might start at 50% or coin toss chance. When the first new evidence arrives, let&#8217;s say &#8216;paper&#8217; vs. &#8216;Plastic&#8217; bag at the grocery store. Repeated cognitive effort might lead two different agents, let&#8217;s say a Soccer Mom in a big hurry to get food on the table vs. a green hippie tree hugger will use each factoid differently. As a hippie I believe (my first hypothesis) that plastic in any form will harm Gaia. A soccer mom likes plastic because it fits all of the bathroom trash bins and saves on buying MORE plastic in the form of Hefty Trash Sacks. The agents both agree on the PROBABILITY of the evidence &#8211; plastic bags are worse than paper bags because of two orthogonal factoids. But the Bayesian method lead to possibly matching or possibly mis-matching desired outcomes. The soccer mom may decide not to line the trash-can and change the INTERPRETATION of the Bayesian result. Paper sacks win the contest when the kids go away to college.</p>
<p>But motivated reasoning outside of a controlled study can never be pinned down. Think of it this way. I know that of the 100 employess I hire only 20 of them will deliver 80% of the goodness I hired them for. The obvious solution is to continuously cull at least the bottom 20% because these individuals actually detract from good outcomes. This is a just so story. The real trick &#8211; correctly FINDING the lower 20% is now the big problem to solve. But what are the factoids and what probability do I assign to the evidence that Joe is a water cooler jockey that detracts from the strategic and tactical success of the organization. Again, the HR manager thinks Joe is okay because he turns in his performance objectives on time and always meets the idiotic HR guidelines while guarding the water cooler.</p>
<p>Which facts wins the day? What alternative facts lose the day?</p>
<p>Of course this is just my cognitive bias, I could be wrong.</p>
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