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		<title>By: Gaythia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaythia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 23:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I partially agree with steveM @18, although this earlier passage in the same letter implies that even in 1773, colonists made distinctions between British (the soldiers), Tories, and themselves:

&quot;In the year 1773 I was imployed by the Select men of the
Town of Boston to carry the Account of the Destruction of the
Tea to New-York; and afterwards, 1774, to Carry their dispatches to
New-York and Philadelphia for Calling a Congress; and afterwards to
Congress, several times.  In the Fall of 1774 &amp; Winter of 1775 I was
one of upwards of thirty, cheifly mechanics, who formed our selves in to a Committee
for the purpose of watching the Movements of the British Soldiers,
and gaining every intelegence of the movements of the Tories.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I partially agree with steveM @18, although this earlier passage in the same letter implies that even in 1773, colonists made distinctions between British (the soldiers), Tories, and themselves:</p>
<p>&#8220;In the year 1773 I was imployed by the Select men of the<br />
Town of Boston to carry the Account of the Destruction of the<br />
Tea to New-York; and afterwards, 1774, to Carry their dispatches to<br />
New-York and Philadelphia for Calling a Congress; and afterwards to<br />
Congress, several times.  In the Fall of 1774 &amp; Winter of 1775 I was<br />
one of upwards of thirty, cheifly mechanics, who formed our selves in to a Committee<br />
for the purpose of watching the Movements of the British Soldiers,<br />
and gaining every intelegence of the movements of the Tories.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: steveM</title>
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		<dc:creator>steveM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 22:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Revere may have warned the British after his capture, Palin implied that Revere&#039;s purpose during his ride was to warn the British. That is clearly false; his purpose was to warn the colonists that the Redcoats were coming. (He never said &quot;The British are coming&quot; since at that time they were ALL British.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Revere may have warned the British after his capture, Palin implied that Revere&#8217;s purpose during his ride was to warn the British. That is clearly false; his purpose was to warn the colonists that the Redcoats were coming. (He never said &#8220;The British are coming&#8221; since at that time they were ALL British.)</p>
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		<title>By: Gaythia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaythia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 21:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Historygirl&#039;s website yields some original sources, such as a letter describing his ride written by Paul Revere himself.   He was somewhere between Lexington and Concord when arrested by the British.   It was AFTER he was arrested when he informed the British that word had gotten out.

http://www.masshist.org/database/img-viewer.php?item_id=99&amp;mode=transcript

The letter shows that Revere was quite concerned about secrecy, and was nearly captured earlier.

For example this passage:
&quot;I told them
of the ten officers that Mr. Devens mett, and that it was pro-
bable we might be stoped before we got to Concord; for
I supposed that after Night, they divided them selves, and that
two of them had fixed themselves in such passages as were
most likely to stop any intelegence going to Concord. I likewise mentioned, that we had better allarm all the In-
habitents till we got to Concord;&quot;


Clearly, the intent was to inform the residents, without creating such a ruckus that the British would stop them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historygirl&#8217;s website yields some original sources, such as a letter describing his ride written by Paul Revere himself.   He was somewhere between Lexington and Concord when arrested by the British.   It was AFTER he was arrested when he informed the British that word had gotten out.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.masshist.org/database/img-viewer.php?item_id=99&#038;mode=transcript" rel="nofollow">http://www.masshist.org/database/img-viewer.php?item_id=99&#038;mode=transcript</a></p>
<p>The letter shows that Revere was quite concerned about secrecy, and was nearly captured earlier.</p>
<p>For example this passage:<br />
&#8220;I told them<br />
of the ten officers that Mr. Devens mett, and that it was pro-<br />
bable we might be stoped before we got to Concord; for<br />
I supposed that after Night, they divided them selves, and that<br />
two of them had fixed themselves in such passages as were<br />
most likely to stop any intelegence going to Concord. I likewise mentioned, that we had better allarm all the In-<br />
habitents till we got to Concord;&#8221;</p>
<p>Clearly, the intent was to inform the residents, without creating such a ruckus that the British would stop them.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobito</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 21:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@historygirl - I&#039;m not saying Palin nailed this one, but the &lt;em&gt;jist&lt;/em&gt; of her comment was correct.

See here:  http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/2011_0606you_betcha_she_was_right_experts_back_palins_historical_account/

From the article:
&quot;In fact, Revere’s own account of the ride in a 1798 letter seems to back up Palin’s claim.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@historygirl &#8211; I&#8217;m not saying Palin nailed this one, but the <em>jist</em> of her comment was correct.</p>
<p>See here:  <a href="http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/2011_0606you_betcha_she_was_right_experts_back_palins_historical_account/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/2011_0606you_betcha_she_was_right_experts_back_palins_historical_account/</a></p>
<p>From the article:<br />
&#8220;In fact, Revere’s own account of the ride in a 1798 letter seems to back up Palin’s claim.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: historygirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>historygirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 20:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Nullius you think the MSH, one of the oldest and most respected historical societies in the USA, founded 8 years after the Revolution ended,  is wrong?
Just wondering.  I suggest you check them out for facts.  You know the founders only lived it.  Not like the rest of us...
http://www.masshist.org/
And I hope that you do know that a repeater rifle was not invented until the 19th century.  If Revere had fired off shots he would have had to reload his musket every time, and it takes work and a level surface and 2 hands.  Hard to do on a horse...That&#039;s assuming he he had a musket and it wasn&#039;t confiscated by the British, since they did that.  I&#039;d check out the Declaration of Independence under the section of crimes of the King.  Which is why we even HAVE a 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights.
It may be that we don&#039;t disagree with the Republican politicians it&#039;s just we were taught to think critically and question.  It happens with those pesky liberal arts degrees that the elitist Northeastern colleges like  Harvard, MIT, Yale, Simmons, Georgetown, Bucknell and UPenn  to name a few confer on their students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Nullius you think the MSH, one of the oldest and most respected historical societies in the USA, founded 8 years after the Revolution ended,  is wrong?<br />
Just wondering.  I suggest you check them out for facts.  You know the founders only lived it.  Not like the rest of us&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.masshist.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.masshist.org/</a><br />
And I hope that you do know that a repeater rifle was not invented until the 19th century.  If Revere had fired off shots he would have had to reload his musket every time, and it takes work and a level surface and 2 hands.  Hard to do on a horse&#8230;That&#8217;s assuming he he had a musket and it wasn&#8217;t confiscated by the British, since they did that.  I&#8217;d check out the Declaration of Independence under the section of crimes of the King.  Which is why we even HAVE a 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights.<br />
It may be that we don&#8217;t disagree with the Republican politicians it&#8217;s just we were taught to think critically and question.  It happens with those pesky liberal arts degrees that the elitist Northeastern colleges like  Harvard, MIT, Yale, Simmons, Georgetown, Bucknell and UPenn  to name a few confer on their students.</p>
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		<title>By: Nullius in Verba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nullius in Verba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 19:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#6,

&lt;i&gt;&quot;that’s pretty obviously not what Palin was referring to&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s not obvious to me &lt;i&gt;what&lt;/i&gt; she was referring to. It looked like she was caught on the hop with a question and improvised an answer on the spur of the moment just to have something to say. She clearly hadn&#039;t worked out what the end of the sentence was going to be when she started it.

When Paul Revere rode through the towns he was raising the alarm against the advancing British. Ringing church bells and gunshots were commonly used for the purpose. He warned the British that he had done so, in the hopes of making them more cautious. They were fighting for their liberties, and he was telling the British that they intended to fight.

The caption on the clip says &quot;Paul Revere Warned The British LMAO!&quot; and of course he did. But no doubt you&#039;re not going to call out this terrible error of American history in the same way, are you?

Palin&#039;s grammar comes out a bit scrambled - as unprepared speech often does - but it&#039;s close enough. It was supposed to be something spontaneous and inspirational, not a prepared history lecture. (Not everyone gets to use a teleprompter all the time to avoid these sorts of problems.) It&#039;s certainly not worth the fuss that was being made over it. This sort of thing is the equivalent of crowing over typos in blog comments.

Quite frankly, I doubt if anyone would have made such a distracting fuss if there hadn&#039;t been a certain other &#039;political gaffe&#039; story in the news...

#7,

&lt;i&gt;&quot;If history is being undermined in a way similar to how science is being undermined, then that is very much within our scope here.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

The same may be said of &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; subject on which you disagree with Republican politicians. So I take it that Discover Magazine is soon to become an unofficial outlet for the Democrat Presidential campaign?

Personal blogs can obviously do whatever they want, but I thought this one wasn&#039;t?

#9,

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Right. So here’s a question…what historians are standing up against this stuff, and calling it out?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I gave a link to some historians. Won&#039;t those do?

#10,

&lt;i&gt;&quot;I clearly remember a certain person here once sniffing that if climate scientists got the right answer (on the error potential of station sites) via the wrong reasoning, they were still effectively wrong.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

In science, certainly. In other walks of life, yes, quite often. I definitely wouldn&#039;t recommend taking the garbled pronouncements of politicians as a reliable guide to anything. But in this case I don&#039;t know what her reasoning was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6,</p>
<p><i>&#8220;that’s pretty obviously not what Palin was referring to&#8221;</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s not obvious to me <i>what</i> she was referring to. It looked like she was caught on the hop with a question and improvised an answer on the spur of the moment just to have something to say. She clearly hadn&#8217;t worked out what the end of the sentence was going to be when she started it.</p>
<p>When Paul Revere rode through the towns he was raising the alarm against the advancing British. Ringing church bells and gunshots were commonly used for the purpose. He warned the British that he had done so, in the hopes of making them more cautious. They were fighting for their liberties, and he was telling the British that they intended to fight.</p>
<p>The caption on the clip says &#8220;Paul Revere Warned The British LMAO!&#8221; and of course he did. But no doubt you&#8217;re not going to call out this terrible error of American history in the same way, are you?</p>
<p>Palin&#8217;s grammar comes out a bit scrambled &#8211; as unprepared speech often does &#8211; but it&#8217;s close enough. It was supposed to be something spontaneous and inspirational, not a prepared history lecture. (Not everyone gets to use a teleprompter all the time to avoid these sorts of problems.) It&#8217;s certainly not worth the fuss that was being made over it. This sort of thing is the equivalent of crowing over typos in blog comments.</p>
<p>Quite frankly, I doubt if anyone would have made such a distracting fuss if there hadn&#8217;t been a certain other &#8216;political gaffe&#8217; story in the news&#8230;</p>
<p>#7,</p>
<p><i>&#8220;If history is being undermined in a way similar to how science is being undermined, then that is very much within our scope here.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The same may be said of <i>any</i> subject on which you disagree with Republican politicians. So I take it that Discover Magazine is soon to become an unofficial outlet for the Democrat Presidential campaign?</p>
<p>Personal blogs can obviously do whatever they want, but I thought this one wasn&#8217;t?</p>
<p>#9,</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Right. So here’s a question…what historians are standing up against this stuff, and calling it out?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I gave a link to some historians. Won&#8217;t those do?</p>
<p>#10,</p>
<p><i>&#8220;I clearly remember a certain person here once sniffing that if climate scientists got the right answer (on the error potential of station sites) via the wrong reasoning, they were still effectively wrong.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>In science, certainly. In other walks of life, yes, quite often. I definitely wouldn&#8217;t recommend taking the garbled pronouncements of politicians as a reliable guide to anything. But in this case I don&#8217;t know what her reasoning was.</p>
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		<title>By: Curious Wavefunction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curious Wavefunction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 18:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me or does she look like she is doped up on something</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me or does she look like she is doped up on something</p>
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		<title>By: Bobito</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 17:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palin did mess up the facts a bit, but the media messed up the facts as well.  The media reported, in so many words, &quot;Palin thinks Revere warned the British not the Colonists&quot;.

What is the bigger story here?  Palin getting minor facts out of whack, or the media completely mis-characterizing what she said?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin did mess up the facts a bit, but the media messed up the facts as well.  The media reported, in so many words, &#8220;Palin thinks Revere warned the British not the Colonists&#8221;.</p>
<p>What is the bigger story here?  Palin getting minor facts out of whack, or the media completely mis-characterizing what she said?</p>
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		<title>By: vel</title>
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		<dc:creator>vel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 17:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah seems to have forgotten one of the main tenents of her religion.  Is a supposedly immortal soul worth a series of pathetic lies?

TTT, Sarah Palin didn&#039;t get either the right answer or use any kind of reasoning at all.  She screwed up and now she&#039;s trying to cover that ignorance up with even more ignorance and outright lies. Is this the type of person you want to defend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah seems to have forgotten one of the main tenents of her religion.  Is a supposedly immortal soul worth a series of pathetic lies?</p>
<p>TTT, Sarah Palin didn&#8217;t get either the right answer or use any kind of reasoning at all.  She screwed up and now she&#8217;s trying to cover that ignorance up with even more ignorance and outright lies. Is this the type of person you want to defend?</p>
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		<title>By: TTT</title>
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		<dc:creator>TTT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 13:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I clearly remember a certain person here once sniffing that if climate scientists got the right answer (on the error potential of station sites) via the wrong reasoning, they were still effectively wrong.

But Palin is apparently in that person&#039;s tribe, so she will not be held to the same standard.  Or any standard.  Truth is whatever pisses off liberals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I clearly remember a certain person here once sniffing that if climate scientists got the right answer (on the error potential of station sites) via the wrong reasoning, they were still effectively wrong.</p>
<p>But Palin is apparently in that person&#8217;s tribe, so she will not be held to the same standard.  Or any standard.  Truth is whatever pisses off liberals.</p>
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