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		<title>By: 1985</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/06/10/most-college-undergrads-question-science-religion-conflict/#comment-104730</link>
		<dc:creator>1985</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 00:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you need peer-reviewed scientific papers to show that 2+2 != 5?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you need peer-reviewed scientific papers to show that 2+2 != 5?</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/06/10/most-college-undergrads-question-science-religion-conflict/#comment-104728</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 00:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Proper scientific reasoning inevitably leads to atheism because faith is absolutely epistemologically incompatible with science.&quot;
Sorry, can you show me the peer-reviewed scientific papers that prove this? Or are you citing the &quot;say it enough times and it&#039;ll be true&quot; camp?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Proper scientific reasoning inevitably leads to atheism because faith is absolutely epistemologically incompatible with science.&#8221;<br />
Sorry, can you show me the peer-reviewed scientific papers that prove this? Or are you citing the &#8220;say it enough times and it&#8217;ll be true&#8221; camp?</p>
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		<title>By: 1985</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/06/10/most-college-undergrads-question-science-religion-conflict/#comment-104658</link>
		<dc:creator>1985</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ sciencelover @ 12:

Proper scientific reasoning inevitably leads to atheism because faith is absolutely epistemologically  incompatible with science. That&#039;s a fact and nobody who tells you that &quot;science and religion are compatible because there are X number of practicing scientists who are religious&quot; is actually addressing that - the practicing scientists in question are simply not applying scientific reasoning to their religious beliefs, that&#039;s why they somehow manage to keep them (which also happens to mean that those are some very poor scientists who shouldn&#039;t be calling themselves so, but that&#039;s a different conversation). 

There is nothing wrong with pointing this out. It may be a bad strategy in the short run because of flawed legislation (while it is true that it has been used to keep creationism out of schools, in reality the First Amendment is no friend to the cause, because it also prevents any serious attempt to relegate religion to its rightful place in society where it will have no influence on anything that matters; unfortunately few people realize that or dare to go there), but in the long terms it is an even worse strategy to deny it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ sciencelover @ 12:</p>
<p>Proper scientific reasoning inevitably leads to atheism because faith is absolutely epistemologically  incompatible with science. That&#8217;s a fact and nobody who tells you that &#8220;science and religion are compatible because there are X number of practicing scientists who are religious&#8221; is actually addressing that &#8211; the practicing scientists in question are simply not applying scientific reasoning to their religious beliefs, that&#8217;s why they somehow manage to keep them (which also happens to mean that those are some very poor scientists who shouldn&#8217;t be calling themselves so, but that&#8217;s a different conversation). </p>
<p>There is nothing wrong with pointing this out. It may be a bad strategy in the short run because of flawed legislation (while it is true that it has been used to keep creationism out of schools, in reality the First Amendment is no friend to the cause, because it also prevents any serious attempt to relegate religion to its rightful place in society where it will have no influence on anything that matters; unfortunately few people realize that or dare to go there), but in the long terms it is an even worse strategy to deny it.</p>
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		<title>By: sciencelover</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/06/10/most-college-undergrads-question-science-religion-conflict/#comment-104629</link>
		<dc:creator>sciencelover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not a problem whether someone is an atheist or a believer. It is a problem when someone does not support science (including evolution, of course). 

The problem is that many atheists use (often distorting) science as an indoctrinating tool for their atheism. Then, they are shocked when science loses support. Richard Dawkins is an example.

You see it here in Discover. For example, the (very bright) Razib Khan has an (amazing) blog about evolutionary science but he usually speaks about atheism or links one of her old entries about atheism.

This is good and dandy but it would be better for him to have a blog about atheism, instead of including his ideology in a web about science.

Then, people are amazed that science can be such a divisive issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not a problem whether someone is an atheist or a believer. It is a problem when someone does not support science (including evolution, of course). </p>
<p>The problem is that many atheists use (often distorting) science as an indoctrinating tool for their atheism. Then, they are shocked when science loses support. Richard Dawkins is an example.</p>
<p>You see it here in Discover. For example, the (very bright) Razib Khan has an (amazing) blog about evolutionary science but he usually speaks about atheism or links one of her old entries about atheism.</p>
<p>This is good and dandy but it would be better for him to have a blog about atheism, instead of including his ideology in a web about science.</p>
<p>Then, people are amazed that science can be such a divisive issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@2, Quite true, but I would also emphasize that not all religious organisations have a problem with science. Indeed the history of science reveals a connection between some types of religious thought (and philosophy) and the success of science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@2, Quite true, but I would also emphasize that not all religious organisations have a problem with science. Indeed the history of science reveals a connection between some types of religious thought (and philosophy) and the success of science.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And when I say &quot;most likely&quot;, I mean if they change, they are most likely to change to ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And when I say &#8220;most likely&#8221;, I mean if they change, they are most likely to change to &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: secularizing effects. According to the study, Those who see conflict - whether religion or science - are most likely to change to the independent or collaborative opinion by the time they&#039;re a junior. (Page 8). I wonder how much the desire and teachings to avoid conflict weigh on that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: secularizing effects. According to the study, Those who see conflict &#8211; whether religion or science &#8211; are most likely to change to the independent or collaborative opinion by the time they&#8217;re a junior. (Page 8). I wonder how much the desire and teachings to avoid conflict weigh on that?</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 07:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well my wife is both a teacher and an atheist. But then I live in the UK, where science is considered to be far more important, than religious beliefs.

Over here, evolution is just recognised fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well my wife is both a teacher and an atheist. But then I live in the UK, where science is considered to be far more important, than religious beliefs.</p>
<p>Over here, evolution is just recognised fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Knop</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/06/10/most-college-undergrads-question-science-religion-conflict/#comment-104237</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Knop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 03:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: the secularizing effects of higher education, I suspect they&#039;re there, but they&#039;re mostly seen when students come in with science-incompatible versions of religion.  If you&#039;re a fundamentalist and you go to a college other than one that&#039;s designed to promote the fundamentalist point of view (e.g. Liberty University), you probably learn that your views are untenable.  I&#039;ve seen some students who became atheists as a result.  On the other hand, if you come in with a liberal religious tradition, you&#039;re not going to find that you have to reject it in order to make sense of everything you&#039;re learning, so your religion doesn&#039;t really need to be modified that much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the secularizing effects of higher education, I suspect they&#8217;re there, but they&#8217;re mostly seen when students come in with science-incompatible versions of religion.  If you&#8217;re a fundamentalist and you go to a college other than one that&#8217;s designed to promote the fundamentalist point of view (e.g. Liberty University), you probably learn that your views are untenable.  I&#8217;ve seen some students who became atheists as a result.  On the other hand, if you come in with a liberal religious tradition, you&#8217;re not going to find that you have to reject it in order to make sense of everything you&#8217;re learning, so your religion doesn&#8217;t really need to be modified that much.</p>
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		<title>By: 1985</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/06/10/most-college-undergrads-question-science-religion-conflict/#comment-104197</link>
		<dc:creator>1985</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 00:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The major conclusion from this study is that if only 20% of the natural science students answer &quot;Conflict: I side with science&quot;, then the system has miserably failed at educating the other 80% :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The major conclusion from this study is that if only 20% of the natural science students answer &#8220;Conflict: I side with science&#8221;, then the system has miserably failed at educating the other 80% <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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