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		<title>By: neuromusic</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/06/10/sexy-science-the-new-glam-of-science-in-advertising/#comment-54288</link>
		<dc:creator>neuromusic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, and what in the world does &quot;neurology&quot; (or even neuroscience) have to offer in this discussion? I certainly don&#039;t see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, and what in the world does &#8220;neurology&#8221; (or even neuroscience) have to offer in this discussion? I certainly don&#8217;t see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Selling stuff for your genes - Genomes Are Us</title>
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		<dc:creator>Selling stuff for your genes - Genomes Are Us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 01:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an entirely different perspective I was reading a guest post on Chris Mooney&#8217;s blog: Sexy Science? The New Glam of Science in Advertising It highlighted a &#8220;Youth Code&#8221; skin treatment from L&#8217;Oreal that claims to repair [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] an entirely different perspective I was reading a guest post on Chris Mooney&#8217;s blog: Sexy Science? The New Glam of Science in Advertising It highlighted a &#8220;Youth Code&#8221; skin treatment from L&#8217;Oreal that claims to repair [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Eden Mabee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eden Mabee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 00:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reminded of the x-ray shoe sizing machines of the 40s and 50s, the recent magnet craze, and other forms of quackery.    The issue isn&#039;t that people don&#039;t want to accept science; they simply want science to validate themselves, their desires and hopes.

It&#039;s a matter of priorities.  And it&#039;s nothing new, or corpse medicine, lead-based face creams and removing ribs to achieve a wasp-like waist would never have survived past a few individuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reminded of the x-ray shoe sizing machines of the 40s and 50s, the recent magnet craze, and other forms of quackery.    The issue isn&#8217;t that people don&#8217;t want to accept science; they simply want science to validate themselves, their desires and hopes.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a matter of priorities.  And it&#8217;s nothing new, or corpse medicine, lead-based face creams and removing ribs to achieve a wasp-like waist would never have survived past a few individuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you see the Jeep ad that was offering a &quot;genetically engineered&quot; Jeep offspring? I was stunned actually. We discussed it here: http://www.biofortified.org/community/forum/?vasthtmlaction=viewtopic&amp;t=107.0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you see the Jeep ad that was offering a &#8220;genetically engineered&#8221; Jeep offspring? I was stunned actually. We discussed it here: <a href="http://www.biofortified.org/community/forum/?vasthtmlaction=viewtopic&#038;t=107.0" rel="nofollow">http://www.biofortified.org/community/forum/?vasthtmlaction=viewtopic&#038;t=107.0</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jay Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 18:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its those &quot;competing sources of info&quot; that are part of the problem. With information coming at us from all angles, just who do you believe? Especially when confronted with conflicting information.

&quot;I&#039;m not a doctor, but I play one on TV.&quot; That&#039;s the problem. Anyone can dress up as a scientist, play the part, and tell you anything. And if it&#039;s on TV, well, it must be true, no?

A lot of people do not enjoy reading and would rather someone else did and then told them what they learned. Preferably someone they know. If they see someone regularly on the tube, they think they know them and will believe what is said by them. Advertisers know this. That&#039;s why all the celebrity endorsements.

We need another Carl Sagan. A scientist willing to get out in the open regularly and make their name familiar. With that familiarity will come credibility, deserved or not. It is how the system works, and science needs to get on board and work the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its those &#8220;competing sources of info&#8221; that are part of the problem. With information coming at us from all angles, just who do you believe? Especially when confronted with conflicting information.</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m not a doctor, but I play one on TV.&#8221; That&#8217;s the problem. Anyone can dress up as a scientist, play the part, and tell you anything. And if it&#8217;s on TV, well, it must be true, no?</p>
<p>A lot of people do not enjoy reading and would rather someone else did and then told them what they learned. Preferably someone they know. If they see someone regularly on the tube, they think they know them and will believe what is said by them. Advertisers know this. That&#8217;s why all the celebrity endorsements.</p>
<p>We need another Carl Sagan. A scientist willing to get out in the open regularly and make their name familiar. With that familiarity will come credibility, deserved or not. It is how the system works, and science needs to get on board and work the system.</p>
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		<title>By: Geack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 18:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t that complicated - people who don&#039;t particularly give a crap about science still understand science is valuable, and accept it as long as it doesn&#039;t contradict their current desires.  And you should make a distinction between scientific and &quot;sciency&quot;; all the hair-care stuff is clearly the latter.  It&#039;s not like people are going to salons to compare the raw data from all these &quot;studies&quot;.  If you&#039;re trying to decide how to spend your money, it&#039;s reassuring to think you&#039;re buying a product from a serious company who really cares about how their products work, and loading up a shampoo bottle with a bunch of incomprehensible sciency language is a cheap easy way to convey that message.  John Paul Mitchell and Nexxium started all the sciency stuff in haircare 25 years ago and made a killing; since then it&#039;s just been everyone following suit.

As to the public &quot;apathy&quot; about science, it&#039;s actually more of a credibility gap, and it mainly applies to very big, complicated issues that can be influenced by political or religious factors.  It&#039;s not hard for someone with no interest in science to imagine how a scientist could determine, say, which motor oil lasts longest.  That&#039;s a concrete test that people can at least vaguely picture for themselves, and they&#039;re happy to accept the data when making decisions.  It&#039;s much tougher for a person to develop a mental image of climate modeling, or of the type of research that allows us to know what animal ate what plant a million years ago.  The lack of understanding leaves plenty of room for doubt and influence from competing sources of info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t that complicated &#8211; people who don&#8217;t particularly give a crap about science still understand science is valuable, and accept it as long as it doesn&#8217;t contradict their current desires.  And you should make a distinction between scientific and &#8220;sciency&#8221;; all the hair-care stuff is clearly the latter.  It&#8217;s not like people are going to salons to compare the raw data from all these &#8220;studies&#8221;.  If you&#8217;re trying to decide how to spend your money, it&#8217;s reassuring to think you&#8217;re buying a product from a serious company who really cares about how their products work, and loading up a shampoo bottle with a bunch of incomprehensible sciency language is a cheap easy way to convey that message.  John Paul Mitchell and Nexxium started all the sciency stuff in haircare 25 years ago and made a killing; since then it&#8217;s just been everyone following suit.</p>
<p>As to the public &#8220;apathy&#8221; about science, it&#8217;s actually more of a credibility gap, and it mainly applies to very big, complicated issues that can be influenced by political or religious factors.  It&#8217;s not hard for someone with no interest in science to imagine how a scientist could determine, say, which motor oil lasts longest.  That&#8217;s a concrete test that people can at least vaguely picture for themselves, and they&#8217;re happy to accept the data when making decisions.  It&#8217;s much tougher for a person to develop a mental image of climate modeling, or of the type of research that allows us to know what animal ate what plant a million years ago.  The lack of understanding leaves plenty of room for doubt and influence from competing sources of info.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 18:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you can sell a fraud like Climate Change with sexy science credentials, why not toothpaste?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can sell a fraud like Climate Change with sexy science credentials, why not toothpaste?</p>
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		<title>By: Aklıselim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aklıselim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the answer is stupidity. People are so stupid to drool on science when it is in its &quot;bogus&quot; form in ads, and shrug when it is in its original form, well, in pretty much everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the answer is stupidity. People are so stupid to drool on science when it is in its &#8220;bogus&#8221; form in ads, and shrug when it is in its original form, well, in pretty much everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: neuromusic</title>
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		<dc:creator>neuromusic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see no paradox and certainly have no idea what a knowledge of &quot;neurology&quot; offers to understanding the phenomena.

Part of your failure in this analysis may be to assume that it is &quot;the same public&quot; without recognizing that these products are perhaps being targeted toward those persons who are not apathetic toward science.

But I think that more likely there is a major difference between being &quot;engaged in science&quot; and &quot;respecting the authority of the lab coat&quot;. I think that most people do the latter and do not do the former, but that scientists tend to confuse the two.

Although Science holds authority over knowledge in our society, it is simply one knowledge authority. For society, Scientific knowledge is simply one of many tools and sources of authority that one can rely on. If Science supports your position, you invoke it. If it does not, you reject it and utilize an alternative knowledge authority (religion, &quot;common sense&quot;, tradition).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see no paradox and certainly have no idea what a knowledge of &#8220;neurology&#8221; offers to understanding the phenomena.</p>
<p>Part of your failure in this analysis may be to assume that it is &#8220;the same public&#8221; without recognizing that these products are perhaps being targeted toward those persons who are not apathetic toward science.</p>
<p>But I think that more likely there is a major difference between being &#8220;engaged in science&#8221; and &#8220;respecting the authority of the lab coat&#8221;. I think that most people do the latter and do not do the former, but that scientists tend to confuse the two.</p>
<p>Although Science holds authority over knowledge in our society, it is simply one knowledge authority. For society, Scientific knowledge is simply one of many tools and sources of authority that one can rely on. If Science supports your position, you invoke it. If it does not, you reject it and utilize an alternative knowledge authority (religion, &#8220;common sense&#8221;, tradition).</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Toney:

Great subject.

I have been examining this phenomena of using science as a marketing ploy but in a different setting - that of amateur paranormal investigation groups. They use both jargon and equipment as symbols of science. It works. The public thinks they are credible researchers.

Philosopher Susan Haack says “scientific” is used honorifically as “an all-purpose term of epistemic praise meaning ‘strong, reliable, good’”. The “honorific usage” of science is common in our society and “promotes inappropriate mimicry,” and an “uncritical attitude” towards science.

The manner, language and procedure of science are imitated by others in order to appear complicated and credible. The public finds cues that suggest a source is knowledgeable and the message is reliable. Sciencey-ness suggests sophistication and expertise.

Advertisers appeal to these consumer heuristics by use of scientific jargon and images. Apparently, this sciencey magic stamp was used by charlatans back in the 20th century to sell products. So, it&#039;s not new and still works.

I recommend Science Talk by Daniel Patrick Thurs and Conjuring Science by Christopher Toumey as good reads on this topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Toney:</p>
<p>Great subject.</p>
<p>I have been examining this phenomena of using science as a marketing ploy but in a different setting &#8211; that of amateur paranormal investigation groups. They use both jargon and equipment as symbols of science. It works. The public thinks they are credible researchers.</p>
<p>Philosopher Susan Haack says “scientific” is used honorifically as “an all-purpose term of epistemic praise meaning ‘strong, reliable, good’”. The “honorific usage” of science is common in our society and “promotes inappropriate mimicry,” and an “uncritical attitude” towards science.</p>
<p>The manner, language and procedure of science are imitated by others in order to appear complicated and credible. The public finds cues that suggest a source is knowledgeable and the message is reliable. Sciencey-ness suggests sophistication and expertise.</p>
<p>Advertisers appeal to these consumer heuristics by use of scientific jargon and images. Apparently, this sciencey magic stamp was used by charlatans back in the 20th century to sell products. So, it&#8217;s not new and still works.</p>
<p>I recommend Science Talk by Daniel Patrick Thurs and Conjuring Science by Christopher Toumey as good reads on this topic.</p>
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