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		<title>By: Pascal Lapointe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/06/23/am-i-a-science-journalist/#comment-105786</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal Lapointe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 23:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Bora, but even that distinction does not bring us very far. Anybody who want to call itself a journalist can do it, it has always been that way in the countries where there has no official press card (like US and Canada). The question is: why somebody want to call itself a journalist? Pride? Fine with me. To have some privileges? Like having access to some places? It&#039;s to the organizer to decide. Or like having some privileges given by law? A lot of journalist associations have tried this one since decades, without much success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Bora, but even that distinction does not bring us very far. Anybody who want to call itself a journalist can do it, it has always been that way in the countries where there has no official press card (like US and Canada). The question is: why somebody want to call itself a journalist? Pride? Fine with me. To have some privileges? Like having access to some places? It&#8217;s to the organizer to decide. Or like having some privileges given by law? A lot of journalist associations have tried this one since decades, without much success.</p>
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		<title>By: Coturnix</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/06/23/am-i-a-science-journalist/#comment-105754</link>
		<dc:creator>Coturnix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 18:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question &quot;what is an act of journalism&quot; is more productive than the question &quot;who is a journalist&quot;. Journalist can be anyone at the moment he/she commits an act of journalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question &#8220;what is an act of journalism&#8221; is more productive than the question &#8220;who is a journalist&#8221;. Journalist can be anyone at the moment he/she commits an act of journalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Blamer ..</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/06/23/am-i-a-science-journalist/#comment-105712</link>
		<dc:creator>Blamer ..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 06:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m wondering whether the trickiness of determining who is/isn&#039;t a science journalist is because what we recognise as science journalism has shifted.

My guess is that journalists and scientists would say that what counts as journalism hasn&#039;t changed. The process and the output is the same, regardless of the format it&#039;s presented in.

However it&#039;d seem fair if the general public tend to disagree. We&#039;ve been hit with a one-two punch; the blurring of the line between news and opinion in traditional media, plus the online flood of new media.

Beyond infotainment, we are still wanting investigative journalism and knowledgable experts to help us seperate the facts from the fluff. It&#039;s unclear who will get there first, established news organisations, or new media outlets?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering whether the trickiness of determining who is/isn&#8217;t a science journalist is because what we recognise as science journalism has shifted.</p>
<p>My guess is that journalists and scientists would say that what counts as journalism hasn&#8217;t changed. The process and the output is the same, regardless of the format it&#8217;s presented in.</p>
<p>However it&#8217;d seem fair if the general public tend to disagree. We&#8217;ve been hit with a one-two punch; the blurring of the line between news and opinion in traditional media, plus the online flood of new media.</p>
<p>Beyond infotainment, we are still wanting investigative journalism and knowledgable experts to help us seperate the facts from the fluff. It&#8217;s unclear who will get there first, established news organisations, or new media outlets?</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal Lapointe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/06/23/am-i-a-science-journalist/#comment-105706</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal Lapointe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 02:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes of course, for me too, journalist is all that you are saying in 1). But in the end, what is the use of those definitions that we see popping up here and there since years? Would you be in favour of some kind of a law that would give to journalists who would adhere to those norms some kind of legal status? (and bloggers could apply to) If so, who would give this status? I am sure you see what kind of huge problems would arise...

Even if we were only using those norms for ourselves, let&#039;s say with, in our journalist&#039;s minds, the goal  to help bloggers do a better job, in what way would that help? Would this change something in the behavior of scientists bloggers you and I already consider good ones? 

Which brings me back to the paycheck. I do not think this would define good or bad journalists, but only that it would help some bloggers to keep writing in the long term (and this is a fact that, I feel, has been systematically under-estimated in the last 10 years). I sense that one day, some mainstream medias will pay scientists bloggers just as they are paying today experts columnists. 

And that day, well, nothing will continue to separate journalists from bloggers. Because, as you say, even today, writing an opinion piece doesn&#039;t transform the journalist in something else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes of course, for me too, journalist is all that you are saying in 1). But in the end, what is the use of those definitions that we see popping up here and there since years? Would you be in favour of some kind of a law that would give to journalists who would adhere to those norms some kind of legal status? (and bloggers could apply to) If so, who would give this status? I am sure you see what kind of huge problems would arise&#8230;</p>
<p>Even if we were only using those norms for ourselves, let&#8217;s say with, in our journalist&#8217;s minds, the goal  to help bloggers do a better job, in what way would that help? Would this change something in the behavior of scientists bloggers you and I already consider good ones? </p>
<p>Which brings me back to the paycheck. I do not think this would define good or bad journalists, but only that it would help some bloggers to keep writing in the long term (and this is a fact that, I feel, has been systematically under-estimated in the last 10 years). I sense that one day, some mainstream medias will pay scientists bloggers just as they are paying today experts columnists. </p>
<p>And that day, well, nothing will continue to separate journalists from bloggers. Because, as you say, even today, writing an opinion piece doesn&#8217;t transform the journalist in something else.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Mooney</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/06/23/am-i-a-science-journalist/#comment-105703</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Mooney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well....as I think more about this....

we can define a journalist in several ways.

1. we can define a journalist as a practitioner of certain norms--accuracy, balance, at least two sources before running a claim, etc. whether bloggers fit is questionable--they have norms (cf bora&#039;s link) but they aren&#039;t necessarily the same norms.

2. we can define a journalist by paycheck--do you work for a clearly recognized journalistic organization? here, bloggers often don&#039;t qualify, but sometimes they do.

I *don&#039;t* think having an opinion, vs trying to be objective, gets anywhere, due to the columnist/blogger comparison. I am often acting as an opinion journalist but I&#039;ve never felt that makes me a non-journalist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;.as I think more about this&#8230;.</p>
<p>we can define a journalist in several ways.</p>
<p>1. we can define a journalist as a practitioner of certain norms&#8211;accuracy, balance, at least two sources before running a claim, etc. whether bloggers fit is questionable&#8211;they have norms (cf bora&#8217;s link) but they aren&#8217;t necessarily the same norms.</p>
<p>2. we can define a journalist by paycheck&#8211;do you work for a clearly recognized journalistic organization? here, bloggers often don&#8217;t qualify, but sometimes they do.</p>
<p>I *don&#8217;t* think having an opinion, vs trying to be objective, gets anywhere, due to the columnist/blogger comparison. I am often acting as an opinion journalist but I&#8217;ve never felt that makes me a non-journalist.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal Lapointe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pascal Lapointe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Chris, well, those standards of conduct are variable since they are neither laws neither mandatory. So, some journalists are following them, some are not, and you will find trade magazines, regional weeklies and even right-wing television programs, where people are called journalists, even if they are following a &quot;line&quot; that would be considered unprofessional in other medias. 

A columnist is also very much like a blogger: different &quot;norms&quot;. And yet, nobody would deny that a journalist is still a journalist when he&#039;s writing a column. 

I am not suggesting that any teenager blogger can be named &quot;journalists&quot;. On the other hand, I firmly believe that not any journalists in the &quot;traditional&quot; medias could be qualified as journalists, if there were stricter, mandatory, rules. That&#039;s why I am not sure the right way of thinking is to try to talk about this by norms: since the media landscape is evolving, norms are evolving too. We just don&#039;t know how for the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Chris, well, those standards of conduct are variable since they are neither laws neither mandatory. So, some journalists are following them, some are not, and you will find trade magazines, regional weeklies and even right-wing television programs, where people are called journalists, even if they are following a &#8220;line&#8221; that would be considered unprofessional in other medias. </p>
<p>A columnist is also very much like a blogger: different &#8220;norms&#8221;. And yet, nobody would deny that a journalist is still a journalist when he&#8217;s writing a column. </p>
<p>I am not suggesting that any teenager blogger can be named &#8220;journalists&#8221;. On the other hand, I firmly believe that not any journalists in the &#8220;traditional&#8221; medias could be qualified as journalists, if there were stricter, mandatory, rules. That&#8217;s why I am not sure the right way of thinking is to try to talk about this by norms: since the media landscape is evolving, norms are evolving too. We just don&#8217;t know how for the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Mooney</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/06/23/am-i-a-science-journalist/#comment-105701</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Mooney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry too Bora. yeah, that read seems essential</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry too Bora. yeah, that read seems essential</p>
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		<title>By: Coturnix</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/06/23/am-i-a-science-journalist/#comment-105699</link>
		<dc:creator>Coturnix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to miss this panel :-(

For this topic, always good to revisit: http://pressthink.org/2008/09/if-bloggers-had-no-ethics-blogging-would-have-failed-but-it-didnt-so-lets-get-a-clue/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to miss this panel <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>For this topic, always good to revisit: <a href="http://pressthink.org/2008/09/if-bloggers-had-no-ethics-blogging-would-have-failed-but-it-didnt-so-lets-get-a-clue/" rel="nofollow">http://pressthink.org/2008/09/if-bloggers-had-no-ethics-blogging-would-have-failed-but-it-didnt-so-lets-get-a-clue/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Mooney</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/06/23/am-i-a-science-journalist/#comment-105697</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Mooney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 23:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@4 no the standards of conduct may still separate them from journalists. most bloggers don&#039;t follow the same norms, I would say--indeed, even trained journalists follow different norms when blogging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@4 no the standards of conduct may still separate them from journalists. most bloggers don&#8217;t follow the same norms, I would say&#8211;indeed, even trained journalists follow different norms when blogging.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal Lapointe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/06/23/am-i-a-science-journalist/#comment-105694</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal Lapointe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 23:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote a few times now —in my main language, French— that the main factor that is under-estimated in all those discussions about &quot;journalists vs. bloggers&quot;, is the paycheck. Because the paycheck is what guarantee that somebody will follow his or her issues on a regular and a long term basis, and will be able to take the time to build a story. While, actually, most of the bloggers have an other job, which has the huge disadvantage that they are blogging when they have the time. 

If all paid science journalists were somewhat replaced by unpaid science bloggers, would we not have lost something important? I think so. 

Of course, one could reply that one day, many scientists bloggers will be paid too, by medias. That&#039;s what I think. And when that day will come, nothing will differentiate them from journalists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote a few times now —in my main language, French— that the main factor that is under-estimated in all those discussions about &#8220;journalists vs. bloggers&#8221;, is the paycheck. Because the paycheck is what guarantee that somebody will follow his or her issues on a regular and a long term basis, and will be able to take the time to build a story. While, actually, most of the bloggers have an other job, which has the huge disadvantage that they are blogging when they have the time. </p>
<p>If all paid science journalists were somewhat replaced by unpaid science bloggers, would we not have lost something important? I think so. </p>
<p>Of course, one could reply that one day, many scientists bloggers will be paid too, by medias. That&#8217;s what I think. And when that day will come, nothing will differentiate them from journalists.</p>
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