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	<title>Comments on: Fox News&#039;s Attack on Media Matters&#8230;Validates Media Matters&#039; Critique of Fox News</title>
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		<title>By: Draa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Draa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 16:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just  listen to the people defending Fake News. How sweet.

The same thing that got NotW in trouble will bring down Fake News here, too. Unless we are to believe that they wouldn&#039;t hack the phones of Americans. We all know they would ,and I&#039;m sure that the Feds are checking into it now. Hopefully it will be someone really inportant and Murdoch will lose another few billion. Good luck surviving Fake News, you slimey worthless right wing POS.

It&#039;s funny, my mom who is a 65yo conservative and was always a devoted Republican called them a bunch of crooks and Fake News their leader. If the Republicans don&#039;t realize that life long Republicans look at them and laugh they deserve the dust bin of history they&#039;re headed for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just  listen to the people defending Fake News. How sweet.</p>
<p>The same thing that got NotW in trouble will bring down Fake News here, too. Unless we are to believe that they wouldn&#8217;t hack the phones of Americans. We all know they would ,and I&#8217;m sure that the Feds are checking into it now. Hopefully it will be someone really inportant and Murdoch will lose another few billion. Good luck surviving Fake News, you slimey worthless right wing POS.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny, my mom who is a 65yo conservative and was always a devoted Republican called them a bunch of crooks and Fake News their leader. If the Republicans don&#8217;t realize that life long Republicans look at them and laugh they deserve the dust bin of history they&#8217;re headed for.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 15:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forge says &quot;You know what happened when Mike Wallace published false information about then pres. GWB on CBS? They fired his ass.&quot;

Yeah....that&#039;s some fine reporting there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forge says &#8220;You know what happened when Mike Wallace published false information about then pres. GWB on CBS? They fired his ass.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah&#8230;.that&#8217;s some fine reporting there.</p>
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		<title>By: Nullius in Verba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nullius in Verba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 13:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Would you like to posit your own theory of why Fox’s viewers are so remarkably misinformed compared to other media outlets?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

We&#039;ve done this one loads of times. In some cases it&#039;s because the definition of &quot;informed&quot; and &quot;misinformed&quot; is effectively &quot;holds the same/opposite opinion as the researchers&quot;, and in other cases because the selection of topics they pick to study are those that the researchers consider to be or notice as examples of common misinformation, which are generally those where prevailing opinions disagree with their own. Since there are more scientists - and particularly social scientists - with a strong liberal bias, you get confirmation bias and selection bias effects.

When people say something that aligns with your own opinion you don&#039;t notice - even if it&#039;s wrong. If somebody says something that doesn&#039;t fit your beliefs, it triggers a mental alarm; you analyse it, you fact-check, you remember it.

Everybody is relatively ignorant on virtually all technical topics - even experts are expert in relatively narrow fields. &lt;i&gt;All&lt;/i&gt; media outlets output constant errors, misunderstandings, part-truths, falsehoods, and spin - Fox included. But you only notice a particular subset of them. The other side notice a different set (or sometimes the same set with a different definition of informed/misinformed), and I assure you they hold the exact same opinion in reverse! Is it not more likely that cognitive bias is a feature of &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; human reasoning, and that we &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; need to be aware of our own fallibility?

There are plenty of people around - including scientists - who hold the belief that scientific research on cognitive biases doesn&#039;t apply to them and their own beliefs. Do you think they might be right? Or are they more likely being dumb?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Would you like to posit your own theory of why Fox’s viewers are so remarkably misinformed compared to other media outlets?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>We&#8217;ve done this one loads of times. In some cases it&#8217;s because the definition of &#8220;informed&#8221; and &#8220;misinformed&#8221; is effectively &#8220;holds the same/opposite opinion as the researchers&#8221;, and in other cases because the selection of topics they pick to study are those that the researchers consider to be or notice as examples of common misinformation, which are generally those where prevailing opinions disagree with their own. Since there are more scientists &#8211; and particularly social scientists &#8211; with a strong liberal bias, you get confirmation bias and selection bias effects.</p>
<p>When people say something that aligns with your own opinion you don&#8217;t notice &#8211; even if it&#8217;s wrong. If somebody says something that doesn&#8217;t fit your beliefs, it triggers a mental alarm; you analyse it, you fact-check, you remember it.</p>
<p>Everybody is relatively ignorant on virtually all technical topics &#8211; even experts are expert in relatively narrow fields. <i>All</i> media outlets output constant errors, misunderstandings, part-truths, falsehoods, and spin &#8211; Fox included. But you only notice a particular subset of them. The other side notice a different set (or sometimes the same set with a different definition of informed/misinformed), and I assure you they hold the exact same opinion in reverse! Is it not more likely that cognitive bias is a feature of <i>all</i> human reasoning, and that we <i>all</i> need to be aware of our own fallibility?</p>
<p>There are plenty of people around &#8211; including scientists &#8211; who hold the belief that scientific research on cognitive biases doesn&#8217;t apply to them and their own beliefs. Do you think they might be right? Or are they more likely being dumb?</p>
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		<title>By: MylzBrandish</title>
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		<dc:creator>MylzBrandish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 10:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@7 and @8

The &quot;Fox News Effect&quot; in the article doesn&#039;t refer to Fox News lying, but to Fox&#039;s viewers being more misinformed (having their facts wrong).

Whether Fox lies or not isn&#039;t the question. You don&#039;t have to lie to make someone believe something not true.

Would you like to posit your own theory of why Fox&#039;s viewers are so remarkably misinformed compared to other media outlets?

Were these people dumb before they started watching Fox? Does Fox naturally appeal to dumber viewers, making it a selection factor?

Or, to take the simple option, maybe something about the way Fox covers the news is causing this rampant ignorance among it&#039;s viewers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@7 and @8</p>
<p>The &#8220;Fox News Effect&#8221; in the article doesn&#8217;t refer to Fox News lying, but to Fox&#8217;s viewers being more misinformed (having their facts wrong).</p>
<p>Whether Fox lies or not isn&#8217;t the question. You don&#8217;t have to lie to make someone believe something not true.</p>
<p>Would you like to posit your own theory of why Fox&#8217;s viewers are so remarkably misinformed compared to other media outlets?</p>
<p>Were these people dumb before they started watching Fox? Does Fox naturally appeal to dumber viewers, making it a selection factor?</p>
<p>Or, to take the simple option, maybe something about the way Fox covers the news is causing this rampant ignorance among it&#8217;s viewers.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean McCorkle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean McCorkle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 04:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@4
&lt;i&gt;Ad even after that NO news organization pushed such a conspiracy as fact.&lt;/i&gt;

does repeated airtime for  guests who DO push it count?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@4<br />
<i>Ad even after that NO news organization pushed such a conspiracy as fact.</i></p>
<p>does repeated airtime for  guests who DO push it count?</p>
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		<title>By: Rational</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rational</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 23:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to Fox News, rationality, logic, and living in reality (as opposed to a fantasy world) are all equated to being a democrat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Fox News, rationality, logic, and living in reality (as opposed to a fantasy world) are all equated to being a democrat.</p>
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		<title>By: Forge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Forge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 22:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what happened when Mike Wallace published false information about then pres. GWB on CBS?  They fired his ass.  You know what happens when Fox news reporters and opinionators publish false information?  They do it again a few minutes later.  Over and over and over until morons believe it.  Sorry #10.  Just because most media reporting is to the left of the reactionary BS you may wish were true does not make it leftist.  The whole leftist agenda meme is a myth derived of that simple truth..  Fair and balanced is a lie.  Even-handedness, on the other hand, is a liberal trait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what happened when Mike Wallace published false information about then pres. GWB on CBS?  They fired his ass.  You know what happens when Fox news reporters and opinionators publish false information?  They do it again a few minutes later.  Over and over and over until morons believe it.  Sorry #10.  Just because most media reporting is to the left of the reactionary BS you may wish were true does not make it leftist.  The whole leftist agenda meme is a myth derived of that simple truth..  Fair and balanced is a lie.  Even-handedness, on the other hand, is a liberal trait.</p>
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		<title>By: JDSender</title>
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		<dc:creator>JDSender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 22:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesse, repeating a lie doesn&#039;t make it true. Fox is free to make any argument they wish, but the facts they present to support their opinion need to be &#039;true&#039; (verified by evidence). For example, it is a verifiable fact Pres. Obama is male. Saying he was born in Kenya, despite 2 types of officially verified birth certificates and one deep FBI investigation, isn&#039;t even an opinion, it&#039;s a lie.
Same with &#039;death panels&#039; in the Healthcare reform.
What Fox calls a &#039;liberal-bias&#039; is actually &#039;fact-based-bias&#039;.

There are loads of web sites listing Fox&#039;s lies. Read them an judge the evidence for your self.
Or drink the kool-aid of the wealthy over-lords. It is a &#039;cult&#039; (look it up)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse, repeating a lie doesn&#8217;t make it true. Fox is free to make any argument they wish, but the facts they present to support their opinion need to be &#8216;true&#8217; (verified by evidence). For example, it is a verifiable fact Pres. Obama is male. Saying he was born in Kenya, despite 2 types of officially verified birth certificates and one deep FBI investigation, isn&#8217;t even an opinion, it&#8217;s a lie.<br />
Same with &#8216;death panels&#8217; in the Healthcare reform.<br />
What Fox calls a &#8216;liberal-bias&#8217; is actually &#8216;fact-based-bias&#8217;.</p>
<p>There are loads of web sites listing Fox&#8217;s lies. Read them an judge the evidence for your self.<br />
Or drink the kool-aid of the wealthy over-lords. It is a &#8216;cult&#8217; (look it up)</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 20:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fox is the only major network that even tries to present news without the leftist agenda that started in the 60&#039;s and has mushroomed to where it is now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fox is the only major network that even tries to present news without the leftist agenda that started in the 60&#8242;s and has mushroomed to where it is now.</p>
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		<title>By: lamanga2004</title>
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		<dc:creator>lamanga2004</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check the UK news if you want to read more about Murdoch and Co.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check the UK news if you want to read more about Murdoch and Co.</p>
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