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		<title>By: TA</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/07/11/newsflash-astroturfing-works/#comment-55405</link>
		<dc:creator>TA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this latest meme that if someone has taken money from an oil company, they are somehow tainted for life.

I&#039;ll make a deal with alarmists. I&#039;ll disregard all skeptics that have taken money from oil companies, if you disregard all science groups and environmental advocacy groups that have done the same.

Won&#039;t be many left standing after that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this latest meme that if someone has taken money from an oil company, they are somehow tainted for life.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll make a deal with alarmists. I&#8217;ll disregard all skeptics that have taken money from oil companies, if you disregard all science groups and environmental advocacy groups that have done the same.</p>
<p>Won&#8217;t be many left standing after that.</p>
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		<title>By: mct</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/07/11/newsflash-astroturfing-works/#comment-55404</link>
		<dc:creator>mct</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike Mangay

Of course Climate Progress isn&#039;t astroturf!

Also not particularly informative about 3 days out of 5.

We all know in the broad who funds it, so not sure why that is an issue?

This is an outstandingly stupid paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike Mangay</p>
<p>Of course Climate Progress isn&#8217;t astroturf!</p>
<p>Also not particularly informative about 3 days out of 5.</p>
<p>We all know in the broad who funds it, so not sure why that is an issue?</p>
<p>This is an outstandingly stupid paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Aelfrith</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/07/11/newsflash-astroturfing-works/#comment-55403</link>
		<dc:creator>Aelfrith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 07:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many Astroturfing web-site for the pro lobby are there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many Astroturfing web-site for the pro lobby are there?</p>
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		<title>By: Maurizio Morabito</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/07/11/newsflash-astroturfing-works/#comment-55402</link>
		<dc:creator>Maurizio Morabito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 06:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next: Mooney on how Big Oil pays dirty do-no-gooders to fill up his blog with fake comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next: Mooney on how Big Oil pays dirty do-no-gooders to fill up his blog with fake comments.</p>
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		<title>By: moptop</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/07/11/newsflash-astroturfing-works/#comment-55401</link>
		<dc:creator>moptop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 00:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnny, the word you are looking for is &quot;authentic,&quot; not &quot;real.&quot;  Liberals have been claiming that forever. The nice thing about words like &quot;legitimate&quot; is that they have no objective definition, and so fit much more neatly into the way liberals think.

Liberal know for a fact that once they get into the realm of logic and evidence, they come up short almost every time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnny, the word you are looking for is &#8220;authentic,&#8221; not &#8220;real.&#8221;  Liberals have been claiming that forever. The nice thing about words like &#8220;legitimate&#8221; is that they have no objective definition, and so fit much more neatly into the way liberals think.</p>
<p>Liberal know for a fact that once they get into the realm of logic and evidence, they come up short almost every time.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/07/11/newsflash-astroturfing-works/#comment-55400</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 21:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Astroturfing is quickly being redefined as &quot;any conservative comment written on any online forum on any subject&quot;.

Its become a way for liberal commenters to dismiss any post, or even the majority of posts, as illegitimate.

Now liberal posters can claim they are the only &quot;real&quot; poster, and that everyone else is a paid corporate shill of some kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Astroturfing is quickly being redefined as &#8220;any conservative comment written on any online forum on any subject&#8221;.</p>
<p>Its become a way for liberal commenters to dismiss any post, or even the majority of posts, as illegitimate.</p>
<p>Now liberal posters can claim they are the only &#8220;real&#8221; poster, and that everyone else is a paid corporate shill of some kind.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Mangan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/07/11/newsflash-astroturfing-works/#comment-55399</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Mangan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Out of curiosity, do you consider Climate Progress an astroturf effort?  After all it&#039;s financed by that comic book anti-Christ George Soros.  Soros has a proven record of destabilizing nation&#039;s currencies for the sole purpose of enriching himself.  He&#039;s doing the same thing with the AGW fraud so he can help collapse multiple economies at a time.  Doesn&#039;t he deserve some scrutiny, too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of curiosity, do you consider Climate Progress an astroturf effort?  After all it&#8217;s financed by that comic book anti-Christ George Soros.  Soros has a proven record of destabilizing nation&#8217;s currencies for the sole purpose of enriching himself.  He&#8217;s doing the same thing with the AGW fraud so he can help collapse multiple economies at a time.  Doesn&#8217;t he deserve some scrutiny, too?</p>
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		<title>By: Luis Dias</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/07/11/newsflash-astroturfing-works/#comment-55398</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis Dias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can someone &quot;appreciate&quot; such a pretty damned obvious silly experiment is beyond my own comprehension. The test is badly conceived and the questions ill-posed. What should I conclude from this study, that if people read sceptical arguments, they become more sceptical? Or if they read assertive arguments, they will believe in them more? The study has failed to focus on the issue of &quot;astroturfing&quot; completely, and the results they got may entirely be the product of entirely different reasons.

This will be completely ridiculed on the blogosphere, Chris. Just try to ignore it the best you can, and stay away from it, or else be prepared to be ridiculed with it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can someone &#8220;appreciate&#8221; such a pretty damned obvious silly experiment is beyond my own comprehension. The test is badly conceived and the questions ill-posed. What should I conclude from this study, that if people read sceptical arguments, they become more sceptical? Or if they read assertive arguments, they will believe in them more? The study has failed to focus on the issue of &#8220;astroturfing&#8221; completely, and the results they got may entirely be the product of entirely different reasons.</p>
<p>This will be completely ridiculed on the blogosphere, Chris. Just try to ignore it the best you can, and stay away from it, or else be prepared to be ridiculed with it!</p>
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		<title>By: Researchers set up fake global warming websites to study response &#124; Watts Up With That?</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/07/11/newsflash-astroturfing-works/#comment-55397</link>
		<dc:creator>Researchers set up fake global warming websites to study response &#124; Watts Up With That?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blogger Chris Mooney over at the Intersection Blog of Discover Magazine writes about it and says:  The website for each condition, respectively, [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] blogger Chris Mooney over at the Intersection Blog of Discover Magazine writes about it and says:  The website for each condition, respectively, [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Nullius in Verba</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/07/11/newsflash-astroturfing-works/#comment-55396</link>
		<dc:creator>Nullius in Verba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mmm. So we have one website with &quot;fluffy&quot; headings like &quot;why act now&quot; and &quot;get involved&quot;, and another site with evidence-related headings like &quot;climate science&quot; and &quot;scientific references&quot;, and people were more persuaded by the one with the science. Why might that be, do you think?

I&#039;m not quite sure what characteristic of astroturf sites this is supposed to be testing. If the only difference is whether funding sources were disclosed, it would indeed test the extent to which people were influenced by ad hominem considerations. But there also appear to be material differences in the content? Is the claim supposed to be that astroturf sites are more likely to use headings like &quot;climate science&quot;? This study does not, on the face of it, make any sense.

I&#039;ve got an uneasy feeling that the difference was that &quot;grassroots&quot; was simply used to label pro-AGW and &quot;astroturf&quot; to label anti-AGW, and what this study is &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; showing is that giving them information on scepticism made people more doubtful of AGW. The &quot;astroturf&quot;/&quot;grassroots&quot; labelling would then be entirely misleading - propaganda dressed up as science in other words. There are of course many genuinely grassroots sceptical sources, and several prominent pro-AGW astroturf sites.

It would therefore be helpful to make it clearer what the distinction between &quot;grassroots&quot; and &quot;astroturf&quot; being tested actually was, and how it follows from the different types of authors. Because if they &lt;i&gt;really did&lt;/i&gt; just label all sceptics as &quot;astroturf&quot;, this is even worse than the usual fare. I&#039;m hoping it&#039;s not true, and I&#039;ve just misread the description. Did they in fact have both pro- and anti-AGW in both categories?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmm. So we have one website with &#8220;fluffy&#8221; headings like &#8220;why act now&#8221; and &#8220;get involved&#8221;, and another site with evidence-related headings like &#8220;climate science&#8221; and &#8220;scientific references&#8221;, and people were more persuaded by the one with the science. Why might that be, do you think?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not quite sure what characteristic of astroturf sites this is supposed to be testing. If the only difference is whether funding sources were disclosed, it would indeed test the extent to which people were influenced by ad hominem considerations. But there also appear to be material differences in the content? Is the claim supposed to be that astroturf sites are more likely to use headings like &#8220;climate science&#8221;? This study does not, on the face of it, make any sense.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got an uneasy feeling that the difference was that &#8220;grassroots&#8221; was simply used to label pro-AGW and &#8220;astroturf&#8221; to label anti-AGW, and what this study is <i>really</i> showing is that giving them information on scepticism made people more doubtful of AGW. The &#8220;astroturf&#8221;/&#8221;grassroots&#8221; labelling would then be entirely misleading &#8211; propaganda dressed up as science in other words. There are of course many genuinely grassroots sceptical sources, and several prominent pro-AGW astroturf sites.</p>
<p>It would therefore be helpful to make it clearer what the distinction between &#8220;grassroots&#8221; and &#8220;astroturf&#8221; being tested actually was, and how it follows from the different types of authors. Because if they <i>really did</i> just label all sceptics as &#8220;astroturf&#8221;, this is even worse than the usual fare. I&#8217;m hoping it&#8217;s not true, and I&#8217;ve just misread the description. Did they in fact have both pro- and anti-AGW in both categories?</p>
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