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	<title>Comments on: Traditional Norms, Animal-style</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/</link>
	<description>A blog about life, past and future. Written by DISCOVER contributing editor and columnist Carl Zimmer.</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Bird That Dare Not Speak Its Name &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/#comment-9229</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bird That Dare Not Speak Its Name &#124; The Loom &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/#comment-9229</guid>
		<description>[...] very tempting to see human virtues in animals&#8211;imagining, say, that penguins love traditional (American) norms. I wouldn&#8217;t suggest look to the Penduline Tit for a role model for being a good parent. But [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] very tempting to see human virtues in animals&#8211;imagining, say, that penguins love traditional (American) norms. I wouldn&#8217;t suggest look to the Penduline Tit for a role model for being a good parent. But [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Bangbus</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/#comment-7806</link>
		<dc:creator>Bangbus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/#comment-7806</guid>
		<description>Mary, you are absolutely correct. Again I point to the recent post at Pharyngula (although it might be easier to say, yes, I saw the movie 4 days ago and that is EXACTLY what was stated in it. However, I'm just not as FUNNY as PZ Myers is!

"Let's just remember that it is a seasonal monogamy--they get different breeding partners in different breeding seasons. This apparently justifies the practice of the Republican leadership in cashing in their old wives for new trophies. Penguins do it, so why not Newts"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, you are absolutely correct. Again I point to the recent post at Pharyngula (although it might be easier to say, yes, I saw the movie 4 days ago and that is EXACTLY what was stated in it. However, I&#8217;m just not as FUNNY as PZ Myers is!</p>
<p>&#8220;Let&#8217;s just remember that it is a seasonal monogamy&#8211;they get different breeding partners in different breeding seasons. This apparently justifies the practice of the Republican leadership in cashing in their old wives for new trophies. Penguins do it, so why not Newts&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: inwit</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/#comment-7805</link>
		<dc:creator>inwit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/#comment-7805</guid>
		<description>The description of the mite genus Adactylidium in that essay of Gould's that daen quoted from is even more graphic:

"[S]ix to nine eggs hatch within the body of a female Adactylidium.  The larvae feed on their mother's body, literally devouring her from inside.  Two days later, the offspring reach maturity, and the single male copulates with all his sisters.  By this time, the mother's tissues have disintegrated, and her body space is a mass of adult mites, their feces, and their discarded larval and nymphal skeletons.  The offspring then cut holes through their mother's body wall and emerge."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The description of the mite genus Adactylidium in that essay of Gould&#8217;s that daen quoted from is even more graphic:</p>
<p>&#8220;[S]ix to nine eggs hatch within the body of a female Adactylidium.  The larvae feed on their mother&#8217;s body, literally devouring her from inside.  Two days later, the offspring reach maturity, and the single male copulates with all his sisters.  By this time, the mother&#8217;s tissues have disintegrated, and her body space is a mass of adult mites, their feces, and their discarded larval and nymphal skeletons.  The offspring then cut holes through their mother&#8217;s body wall and emerge.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jonesy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/#comment-7804</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonesy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/#comment-7804</guid>
		<description>I have to wonder how much of the reason for Medved sayng this is that he's just being a troll. He knows he's going to get attention from "liberals", and he knows its going to annoy, so thats why he says it. These people (Medved, Coulter, Limbaugh...) don't care whether theyre being rational or not, they just want attention and want to get a rise out of the other side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to wonder how much of the reason for Medved sayng this is that he&#8217;s just being a troll. He knows he&#8217;s going to get attention from &#8220;liberals&#8221;, and he knows its going to annoy, so thats why he says it. These people (Medved, Coulter, Limbaugh&#8230;) don&#8217;t care whether theyre being rational or not, they just want attention and want to get a rise out of the other side.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry L</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/#comment-7803</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerry L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 05:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/#comment-7803</guid>
		<description>At the Oregon Zoo we have a male Humboldt penguin who shows no interest in girl penguins or boys. But he is quite attracted to human footwear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the Oregon Zoo we have a male Humboldt penguin who shows no interest in girl penguins or boys. But he is quite attracted to human footwear.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/#comment-7802</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/#comment-7802</guid>
		<description>Donald Kennedy, Science editor, "Emperors on the Ice, Science, September 2", used the movie as an evangelistic opportunity also:

"By all means see March of the Penguins.  Better still, you can accomplish a good work by inviting an advocate for &#145;intelligent design&#146; to accompany you.  After the show, buy him or her a beer, and ask for an explanation of just what the Designer had in mind here."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donald Kennedy, Science editor, &#8220;Emperors on the Ice, Science, September 2&#8243;, used the movie as an evangelistic opportunity also:</p>
<p>&#8220;By all means see March of the Penguins.  Better still, you can accomplish a good work by inviting an advocate for &#8216;intelligent design&#8217; to accompany you.  After the show, buy him or her a beer, and ask for an explanation of just what the Designer had in mind here.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: hoopman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/#comment-7801</link>
		<dc:creator>hoopman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/#comment-7801</guid>
		<description>Babbler, thanks for the enlightening link.  Nice to see that not all conservatives spew nonsensical Republican rhetoric.  Yeah, those Penguins were lucky to have such a wonderful "designer".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Babbler, thanks for the enlightening link.  Nice to see that not all conservatives spew nonsensical Republican rhetoric.  Yeah, those Penguins were lucky to have such a wonderful &#8220;designer&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Babbler</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/#comment-7800</link>
		<dc:creator>Babbler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 05:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/#comment-7800</guid>
		<description>George Will wrote about "March of the Penguins" (&#38; "Grizzly Man") a few weeks ago, and seems to have dawn a different conclusion:

&lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/26/AR2005082601486.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/26/AR2005082601486.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/26/AR2005082601486.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Will wrote about &#8220;March of the Penguins&#8221; (&amp; &#8220;Grizzly Man&#8221;) a few weeks ago, and seems to have dawn a different conclusion:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/26/AR2005082601486.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/26/AR2005082601486.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/26/AR2005082601486.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: hoopman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/#comment-7799</link>
		<dc:creator>hoopman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 05:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/#comment-7799</guid>
		<description>Mary, you are absolutely correct.  Again I point to the recent post at Pharyngula (although it might be easier to say, yes, I saw the movie 4 days ago and that is EXACTLY what was stated in it.  However, I'm just not as FUNNY as PZ Myers is!

"Let's just remember that it is a seasonal monogamy&#151;they get different breeding partners in different breeding seasons. This apparently justifies the practice of the Republican leadership in cashing in their old wives for new trophies. Penguins do it, so why not Newts"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, you are absolutely correct.  Again I point to the recent post at Pharyngula (although it might be easier to say, yes, I saw the movie 4 days ago and that is EXACTLY what was stated in it.  However, I&#8217;m just not as FUNNY as PZ Myers is!</p>
<p>&#8220;Let&#8217;s just remember that it is a seasonal monogamy&#8212;they get different breeding partners in different breeding seasons. This apparently justifies the practice of the Republican leadership in cashing in their old wives for new trophies. Penguins do it, so why not Newts&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/#comment-7798</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 04:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/#comment-7798</guid>
		<description>These are excellent (and hilarious) examples of the dangers of drawing too much inspiration from the mating habits of other species. Didn't that penguin movie mention something about the penguins choosing a new mate every breeding season? I could have sworn I remembered hearing that, although how anyone finds conservative Christian values in that or anything else in the movie is beyond me. The conservative reaction to this movie amazes me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are excellent (and hilarious) examples of the dangers of drawing too much inspiration from the mating habits of other species. Didn&#8217;t that penguin movie mention something about the penguins choosing a new mate every breeding season? I could have sworn I remembered hearing that, although how anyone finds conservative Christian values in that or anything else in the movie is beyond me. The conservative reaction to this movie amazes me.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/#comment-7797</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/#comment-7797</guid>
		<description>Equally heartwarming are the swans of the Boston  Public Garden
&lt;a href="http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/08/12/thou_art_no_romeo/" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/08/12/thou_art_no_romeo/" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/08/12/thou_art_no_romeo/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Equally heartwarming are the swans of the Boston  Public Garden<br />
<a href="http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/08/12/thou_art_no_romeo/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/08/12/thou_art_no_romeo/" rel="nofollow">http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/08/12/thou_art_no_romeo/</a></p>
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		<title>By: daen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/#comment-7796</link>
		<dc:creator>daen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/09/14/traditional-norms-animal-style/#comment-7796</guid>
		<description>Another example from "The Panda's Thumb" by Stephen Jay Gould concerning Acarophenax tribolii, a species of mite: "Fifteen eggs, including but a single male, develop within the mother's body. The male emerges within his mother's shell, copulates with all his sisters and dies before birth."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another example from &#8220;The Panda&#8217;s Thumb&#8221; by Stephen Jay Gould concerning Acarophenax tribolii, a species of mite: &#8220;Fifteen eggs, including but a single male, develop within the mother&#8217;s body. The male emerges within his mother&#8217;s shell, copulates with all his sisters and dies before birth.&#8221;</p>
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