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	<title>Comments on: Florida, Where The Living Is Contradictory</title>
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		<title>By: John Mashey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/10/10/florida-where-the-living-is-contradictory/#comment-1873</link>
		<dc:creator>John Mashey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 00:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be a fine thing if Florida went ID.  California would certainly welcome more Scripps effort back here, and ID in Florida would help that.

I&#039;ve spoken at Scripps (and many other bioscience research places), and I doubt that researchers there would welcome ID in the schools, regardless of any personal beliefs.

My father was a devout Christian, Deacon of the local church, and a 20-year President/VP of the local public school board.  He would have been rather scornful of ID, but for reasons of both science and faith.  As an educated farmer, he perfectly well knew that evolution worked, having studied genetics, plant &amp; animal breeding.

Regarding faith, he&#039;d say: &quot;God gave us brains to think with, and the parable of the talents says we&#039;d better use them.  If someone&#039;s faith is so weak they need to distort the evidence of science to maintain their faith, they might want to think about their faith some more.&quot;  Our schools had fine science programs, no trace of creationism.  I don&#039;t know if anyone ever tried to introduce it, but it certainly didn&#039;t get very far.

Too bad Dad wasn&#039;t leading the Dover effort, in place of William Buckingham, who seemed to have read the Bible rather selectively.  He seems to have missed the ninth commandment (not bearing false witness), an unwise move in a videotape era.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be a fine thing if Florida went ID.  California would certainly welcome more Scripps effort back here, and ID in Florida would help that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve spoken at Scripps (and many other bioscience research places), and I doubt that researchers there would welcome ID in the schools, regardless of any personal beliefs.</p>
<p>My father was a devout Christian, Deacon of the local church, and a 20-year President/VP of the local public school board.  He would have been rather scornful of ID, but for reasons of both science and faith.  As an educated farmer, he perfectly well knew that evolution worked, having studied genetics, plant &amp; animal breeding.</p>
<p>Regarding faith, he&#8217;d say: &#8220;God gave us brains to think with, and the parable of the talents says we&#8217;d better use them.  If someone&#8217;s faith is so weak they need to distort the evidence of science to maintain their faith, they might want to think about their faith some more.&#8221;  Our schools had fine science programs, no trace of creationism.  I don&#8217;t know if anyone ever tried to introduce it, but it certainly didn&#8217;t get very far.</p>
<p>Too bad Dad wasn&#8217;t leading the Dover effort, in place of William Buckingham, who seemed to have read the Bible rather selectively.  He seems to have missed the ninth commandment (not bearing false witness), an unwise move in a videotape era.</p>
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		<title>By: Caineisable</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caineisable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly I don&#039;t see any contridiction in encouraging scientific biomedical research in a state and having Science teachers mention ID is an option in the classroom.  I&#039;m not getting it.

Many people (most in the Scientific community) who believe in ID believe that God created many if not all things via evolution.  The thing that I find most offensive about only teaching evoluation is only when its done in a way to exclude faith in God.  Evolutionist cannot explain ultimate orgins and so it&#039;s fair to at least acknowledge the possibility if not the necessity of a higher power at some point in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly I don&#8217;t see any contridiction in encouraging scientific biomedical research in a state and having Science teachers mention ID is an option in the classroom.  I&#8217;m not getting it.</p>
<p>Many people (most in the Scientific community) who believe in ID believe that God created many if not all things via evolution.  The thing that I find most offensive about only teaching evoluation is only when its done in a way to exclude faith in God.  Evolutionist cannot explain ultimate orgins and so it&#8217;s fair to at least acknowledge the possibility if not the necessity of a higher power at some point in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Bartlett</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/10/10/florida-where-the-living-is-contradictory/#comment-1871</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Bartlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It makes me sick that our nation is run by inbred morons.</description>
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		<title>By: Carl Zimmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Zimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My response to David&#039;s comment is &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/archives/2005/10/15/of_zoos_and_polls/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My response to David&#8217;s comment is <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/archives/2005/10/15/of_zoos_and_polls/" rel="nofollow">here</a></p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is obvious from reading the above comments that most of you have no clue as to what ID/Creationists really believe as far as the differences between mirco-evolution (natural selection) and macro-evolution (goo to you by way of the zoo). Therefore you are arguing against a point of view from a position of ignorance by not researching what the otherside really believes. Oh sure, you can parrot the same old tripe that the NCSE claims that IDer&#039;s believe, but that is not really accurate.
I understand that what I am doing would be considered an exercise in futility since most of you will not even consider taking a look at what the other side truly believes.
If evolution is the answer that unequivocally explains it all, from abiogenesis to modern man, then why do over 60% of our people believe that we were created? They have all studied the same evolutionist textbooks for the last 50-60 years.  Here comes some elitist remark about the ignorant masses not having the intellegence to understand the true science behind it, so they have to fall back to religion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is obvious from reading the above comments that most of you have no clue as to what ID/Creationists really believe as far as the differences between mirco-evolution (natural selection) and macro-evolution (goo to you by way of the zoo). Therefore you are arguing against a point of view from a position of ignorance by not researching what the otherside really believes. Oh sure, you can parrot the same old tripe that the NCSE claims that IDer&#8217;s believe, but that is not really accurate.<br />
I understand that what I am doing would be considered an exercise in futility since most of you will not even consider taking a look at what the other side truly believes.<br />
If evolution is the answer that unequivocally explains it all, from abiogenesis to modern man, then why do over 60% of our people believe that we were created? They have all studied the same evolutionist textbooks for the last 50-60 years.  Here comes some elitist remark about the ignorant masses not having the intellegence to understand the true science behind it, so they have to fall back to religion!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Faulkner</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/10/10/florida-where-the-living-is-contradictory/#comment-1868</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Faulkner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think back to 4th century Rome and substitute, respectively, &#039;Christian&#039; and &#039;Pagan&#039; for &#039;Intelligent Design&#039; (Creationism) and &#039;Darwinian Evolution&#039; (Science), and you&#039;ll have the historical equivalent which began with the &#039;equal opportunity&#039; for Christianity, encouraged by Constantine, and the ensuing closure of all Pagan centers of learning, enforced by Theodosius.

Though science is not a religion, religion is politics, and religionists treat any challenge to their absolutist dogma as a political equivalent and rival. The context and motivation of the current confrontation is politically congruent with that of the historical former. As long as scientists delude themselves that the &#039;man on the street&#039; can be swayed by logical argument, they fight a losing battle. Who, then, is to save the world from another &#039;Dark Ages&#039; of inane mysticism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think back to 4th century Rome and substitute, respectively, &#8216;Christian&#8217; and &#8216;Pagan&#8217; for &#8216;Intelligent Design&#8217; (Creationism) and &#8216;Darwinian Evolution&#8217; (Science), and you&#8217;ll have the historical equivalent which began with the &#8216;equal opportunity&#8217; for Christianity, encouraged by Constantine, and the ensuing closure of all Pagan centers of learning, enforced by Theodosius.</p>
<p>Though science is not a religion, religion is politics, and religionists treat any challenge to their absolutist dogma as a political equivalent and rival. The context and motivation of the current confrontation is politically congruent with that of the historical former. As long as scientists delude themselves that the &#8216;man on the street&#8217; can be swayed by logical argument, they fight a losing battle. Who, then, is to save the world from another &#8216;Dark Ages&#8217; of inane mysticism?</p>
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		<title>By: Nortcliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nortcliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting and factual post that highlights blatant Republican hypocrisy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting and factual post that highlights blatant Republican hypocrisy.</p>
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		<title>By: AntiID</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/10/10/florida-where-the-living-is-contradictory/#comment-1866</link>
		<dc:creator>AntiID</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most straightforward challenge to ID can be reduced to this:

Name one example of research in which ID &#039;theory&#039; has played a pivotal role in generating new knowledge, technology, or productive lines of inquiry.  What, if anything, is reproducible in any sort of lab which ID propounds?

ID is simply a game of &quot;give up searching for a natural explanation, and just believe God used supernatural power&quot; there will never be useful scientific outcomes or lines of investigation leading from it.

Scientists who pray and believe in God don&#039;t pray, let&#039;s just find that God did it and give up and go home.  They pray for new insight into the operations and laws of Nature.  They pray for the insight to penetrate the natural mystery and to understand the mechanims and processes at work.  They hope to find the formulas and math that describes the processes. They hope to find the experiments which disproves or supports a hypothesis.  They may care about a hypothesis, but they expect to find improved and better ones as the scientific efforts by many smart, disciplined people progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most straightforward challenge to ID can be reduced to this:</p>
<p>Name one example of research in which ID &#8216;theory&#8217; has played a pivotal role in generating new knowledge, technology, or productive lines of inquiry.  What, if anything, is reproducible in any sort of lab which ID propounds?</p>
<p>ID is simply a game of &#8220;give up searching for a natural explanation, and just believe God used supernatural power&#8221; there will never be useful scientific outcomes or lines of investigation leading from it.</p>
<p>Scientists who pray and believe in God don&#8217;t pray, let&#8217;s just find that God did it and give up and go home.  They pray for new insight into the operations and laws of Nature.  They pray for the insight to penetrate the natural mystery and to understand the mechanims and processes at work.  They hope to find the formulas and math that describes the processes. They hope to find the experiments which disproves or supports a hypothesis.  They may care about a hypothesis, but they expect to find improved and better ones as the scientific efforts by many smart, disciplined people progress.</p>
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		<title>By: John Timmer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2005/10/10/florida-where-the-living-is-contradictory/#comment-1865</link>
		<dc:creator>John Timmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE:  anonymous

For starters, can you name an alternative scientific theory regarding the diversity of species?  I&#039;m a biologist, and i sure can&#039;t.  If there was one that was supported by any scientific evidence, we&#039;d know about it by now (as described above, Intelligent Design is not scientific).  Given the absence of scientific alternatives, there is nothing to teach other than evolution in science classes.

Incidentally, if you doubt that the generation of new species has been observed, and for more detail on the above, i recommend you check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;  You should be able to see that it&#039;s all pretty scientific, and very little faith is involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  anonymous</p>
<p>For starters, can you name an alternative scientific theory regarding the diversity of species?  I&#8217;m a biologist, and i sure can&#8217;t.  If there was one that was supported by any scientific evidence, we&#8217;d know about it by now (as described above, Intelligent Design is not scientific).  Given the absence of scientific alternatives, there is nothing to teach other than evolution in science classes.</p>
<p>Incidentally, if you doubt that the generation of new species has been observed, and for more detail on the above, i recommend you check out <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/." rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/." rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/" rel="nofollow">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/</a>.  You should be able to see that it&#8217;s all pretty scientific, and very little faith is involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not sure what the hubbub re: Ms. Yecke is all about -- it appears from what you have written that she espoused teaching that evolution is not a proven fact but a theory, and that there are other theories.  sounds like the teaching of science to me.  bottom line - if you insist that children must be taught evolution as the origin of the species, then you are relying on only one thing - faith.  science is what can be observed and repeated -- there is a significant record demonstrating adaptation and survival techniques resulting from evolution -- there is not a single instance of one species becoming another (i.e., biological diversity arising from evolution).  to make that leap requires faith.  how is that more scientific than a &quot;guiding hand??&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not sure what the hubbub re: Ms. Yecke is all about &#8212; it appears from what you have written that she espoused teaching that evolution is not a proven fact but a theory, and that there are other theories.  sounds like the teaching of science to me.  bottom line &#8211; if you insist that children must be taught evolution as the origin of the species, then you are relying on only one thing &#8211; faith.  science is what can be observed and repeated &#8212; there is a significant record demonstrating adaptation and survival techniques resulting from evolution &#8212; there is not a single instance of one species becoming another (i.e., biological diversity arising from evolution).  to make that leap requires faith.  how is that more scientific than a &#8220;guiding hand??&#8221;</p>
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