Comments on: In Search of the Elusive Intelligent Design Laboratory http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/ A blog about life, past and future. Written by DISCOVER contributing editor and columnist Carl Zimmer. Sat, 26 May 2012 01:25:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Monado http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/comment-page-1/#comment-3366 Monado Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:44:23 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/#comment-3366 What people tell polls and interviewers is one thing. How they act is another. Many people claim to believe in angels and creation, but when they drive they make sure that seat belts are fastened (not relying on a guardian angel) and when they get sick, they want the best antibiotics and not someone praying over them. What people tell polls and interviewers is one thing. How they act is another. Many people claim to believe in angels and creation, but when they drive they make sure that seat belts are fastened (not relying on a guardian angel) and when they get sick, they want the best antibiotics and not someone praying over them.

]]> By: Cecil http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/comment-page-1/#comment-3365 Cecil Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:31:23 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/#comment-3365 To continue with the more important aspect of this debate: You can have both pub-jack and para-cite. Someone who pubjacks is a paracite. See it works. After all, could you call someone a pubjacker with a straight face? But a pubjacking paracite, that works well. P.S. That NBC poll scares me. To continue with the more important aspect of this debate:
You can have both pub-jack and para-cite. Someone who pubjacks is a paracite. See it works. After all, could you call someone a pubjacker with a straight face? But a pubjacking paracite, that works well.

P.S. That NBC poll scares me.

]]> By: david http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/comment-page-1/#comment-3364 david Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:18:09 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/#comment-3364 and yet in the poll of public opinion: Which do you think is more likely to actually be the explanation for the origin of human life on earth: evolution or the biblical account of creation? * 261010 web responses RESPONSES WEB NBC POLL Evolution 36% 33% Total biblical account of creation 51% 57% Don't know/none of the above 13% 10% and yet in the poll of public opinion:

Which do you think is more likely to actually be the explanation for the origin of human life on earth: evolution or the biblical account of creation? * 261010 web responses

RESPONSES WEB NBC POLL

Evolution 36% 33%
Total biblical account of creation 51% 57%
Don’t know/none of the above 13% 10%

]]> By: Whatever http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/comment-page-1/#comment-3363 Whatever Mon, 07 Aug 2006 00:21:47 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/#comment-3363 When pressed, most IDers who actually do scientific research for a living will admit that a scientific theory of ID and a decent research program is necessary and fundamental to their enterprise. The persistent mantra is, "The breakthrough will happen in year or so". Unfortunately, that's been the mantra for almost a couple decades and they still can't reach internal agreement about the status of common descent or even the age of the Earth. Don't hold your breath... When pressed, most IDers who actually do scientific research for a living will admit that a scientific theory of ID and a decent research program is necessary and fundamental to their enterprise. The persistent mantra is, “The breakthrough will happen in year or so”. Unfortunately, that’s been the mantra for almost a couple decades and they still can’t reach internal agreement about the status of common descent or even the age of the Earth.

Don’t hold your breath…

]]> By: Duncan Harris http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/comment-page-1/#comment-3362 Duncan Harris Sat, 05 Aug 2006 14:47:05 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/#comment-3362 Actually, the DI are claiming one "peer-reviewed" article, but it is so bloomin awful you wonder whether it provides any benefit for their cause: <a href="http://home.online.no/~albvoie/index.cfm" rel="nofollow">Biological function and the genetic code are interdependent</a> by Øyvind Albert Voie. Enjoy. Actually, the DI are claiming one “peer-reviewed” article, but it is so bloomin awful you wonder whether it provides any benefit for their cause:

Biological function and the genetic code are interdependent

by Øyvind Albert Voie.

Enjoy.

]]> By: Paul Decelles http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/comment-page-1/#comment-3361 Paul Decelles Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:32:25 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/#comment-3361 You might also like to see this link from the Lawrence Journal World. <a href="http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/aug/03/election_hailed_proevolution/?politics" rel="nofollow">http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/aug/03/election_hailed_proevolution/?politics</a> If those ID people keep spinning they are going to develop little spinnerets out their posteriors. You might also like to see this link from the Lawrence Journal World.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/aug/03/election_hailed_proevolution/?politics

If those ID people keep spinning they are going to develop little spinnerets out their posteriors.

]]> By: Bruce Thompson http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/comment-page-1/#comment-3360 Bruce Thompson Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:00:03 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/#comment-3360 <blockquote>I'm all for the term pubjacking. Let's start using it.</blockquote> Since suggested by Mister DNA on July 22, the term "Pubjacking" has already filtered over it to <a href="http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1364#comments" rel="nofollow">UD</a>. <blockquote>Honestly, this feels like grasping at straws. So, an article uses the word ?program? and presumably that implies ID? Is this what UD has descended to - the ?pubjacking? of external articles that remotely, vaguely say anything about ID? Frankly, it comes across as a little desparate. What we really need to see here are articles on ORIGINAL ID research. Comment by timcol ? July 28, 2006 @ 9:39 am</blockquote>

I’m all for the term pubjacking. Let’s start using it.

Since suggested by Mister DNA on July 22, the term “Pubjacking” has already filtered over it to UD.

Honestly, this feels like grasping at straws. So, an article uses the word ?program? and presumably that implies ID? Is this what UD has descended to – the ?pubjacking? of external articles that remotely, vaguely say anything about ID? Frankly, it comes across as a little desparate. What we really need to see here are articles on ORIGINAL ID research.

Comment by timcol ? July 28, 2006 @ 9:39 am

]]> By: GD http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/comment-page-1/#comment-3359 GD Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:35:39 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/#comment-3359 Bruce Chapman claimed last Saturday, in a letter to the Rocky Mountain News Business section, that IDC research is being done at the Discovery institue ! Maybe they will publish soon!......... <a href="http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/other_business/article/0,2777,DRMN_23916_4878676,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/other_business/article/0,2777,DRMN_23916_4878676,00.html</a> Anschutz didn't support intelligent design work Your news story of July 8 repeats a falsehood from the Daily Express in London that Denver businessman Phil Anschutz is "a major backer of a campaign to have 'intelligent design' . . . taught in American schools" instead of Darwin's theory of evolution. As president of Discovery Institute, where the intelligent design research is chiefly located, I can tell you that Anschutz has never given that program a nickel. His foundation gave our programs on technology and law $70,000 three years ago. None of it went for the program on science and culture, which includes the intelligent design activity. We would have been delighted, of course, if he had desired also to support our program on science and culture. But he didn't. By the way, our program does not advocate that intelligent design be substituted for Darwin's theory of evolution. Our school policy recommendation is that students be allowed to learn the scientific evidence both for and against Darwin's theory - period. The American press has a hard time reporting accurately on this subject, but the Brits' stories seem to be completely sensationalized. Perhaps the rest of the London news accounts on Anschutz should be read in that light. Bruce Chapman president, Discovery Institute Seattle Bruce Chapman claimed last Saturday, in a letter to the Rocky Mountain News Business section, that IDC research is being done at the Discovery institue !
Maybe they will publish soon!………

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/other_business/article/0,2777,DRMN_23916_4878676,00.html
Anschutz didn’t support intelligent design work

Your news story of July 8 repeats a falsehood from the Daily Express in London that Denver businessman Phil Anschutz is “a major backer of a campaign to have ‘intelligent design’ . . . taught in American schools” instead of Darwin’s theory of evolution.

As president of Discovery Institute, where the intelligent design research is chiefly located, I can tell you that Anschutz has never given that program a nickel. His foundation gave our programs on technology and law $70,000 three years ago. None of it went for the program on science and culture, which includes the intelligent design activity.

We would have been delighted, of course, if he had desired also to support our program on science and culture. But he didn’t.

By the way, our program does not advocate that intelligent design be substituted for Darwin’s theory of evolution. Our school policy recommendation is that students be allowed to learn the scientific evidence both for and against Darwin’s theory – period.

The American press has a hard time reporting accurately on this subject, but the Brits’ stories seem to be completely sensationalized. Perhaps the rest of the London news accounts on Anschutz should be read in that light.

Bruce Chapman

president, Discovery Institute

Seattle

]]> By: Rob Knell http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/comment-page-1/#comment-3358 Rob Knell Thu, 03 Aug 2006 07:04:07 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/#comment-3358 Medline isn't actually too good for evolution research. Web of Science indexes a lot more journals that are relevant. A search on "evolution" in citations published in 2006 gives 19,103 hits. A search on "intelligent design" in 2006 gives 55 hits, most of which seem to be in engineering journals or have titles like "Postscripts to letter to God - On why the eye lacks intelligent design"(Wood, A, BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL 332 (7555): 1454-1454 JUN 17 2006). None of them seem to be actual research papers on ID, although I must admit that I haven't gone through them all rigorously. Cheers Rob Medline isn’t actually too good for evolution research. Web of Science indexes a lot more journals that are relevant. A search on “evolution” in citations published in 2006 gives 19,103 hits. A search on “intelligent design” in 2006 gives 55 hits, most of which seem to be in engineering journals or have titles like “Postscripts to letter to God – On why the eye lacks intelligent design”(Wood, A, BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL 332 (7555): 1454-1454 JUN 17 2006). None of them seem to be actual research papers on ID, although I must admit that I haven’t gone through them all rigorously.

Cheers

Rob

]]> By: Dave S. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/comment-page-1/#comment-3357 Dave S. Wed, 02 Aug 2006 22:58:37 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/#comment-3357 Just to clarify...I did not invent the term. My invention was <i>para-cite</i> (which I thought was rather clever at least, although no <i>pubjacking</i>). That was I believe first coined, or at least it was where I first saw it, by MisterDNA over on <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/evolutionblog/2006/07/the_state_of_id_research.php#c183108" rel="nofollow">Jason's</a> blog. Just to clarify…I did not invent the term. My invention was para-cite (which I thought was rather clever at least, although no pubjacking). That was I believe first coined, or at least it was where I first saw it, by MisterDNA over on Jason’s blog.

]]> By: DragonScholar http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/comment-page-1/#comment-3356 DragonScholar Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:12:13 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/#comment-3356 Carl, I'm all for the term pubjacking. Let's start using it. Sorry gengar, he got to it first ;) Carl,

I’m all for the term pubjacking. Let’s start using it.

Sorry gengar, he got to it first ;)

]]> By: gengar http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/comment-page-1/#comment-3355 gengar Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:24:27 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/#comment-3355 <blockquote>I'm pushing for a new word coined for this practice: pubjacking</blockquote> as a Brit, I can think of a far more pleasurable meaning for that particular word...

I’m pushing for a new word coined for this practice: pubjacking

as a Brit, I can think of a far more pleasurable meaning for that particular word…

]]> By: Dave S. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/comment-page-1/#comment-3354 Dave S. Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:11:28 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/#comment-3354 Carl says: <blockquote>By the way, claiming on a web site that someone else's paper about gene networks supports intelligent design does not count--especially if you studiously ignore the paper's discussion of evolution and the complete absense of the phrase intelligent design from its pages.</blockquote> This process is following the path well worn by previous creationist incarnations ... they just have a different <i>interpretation</i> of the evidence. I'm pushing for a new word coined for this practice: <i>pubjacking</i>. I suggested <i>para-cite</i> as an alternative neologism. <blockquote>I'm curious to see the inside of one of those intelligent design laboratories Thompson was talking about.</blockquote> I'm guessing we'll see more results from Muppet Labs than from ID Labs. Carl says:

By the way, claiming on a web site that someone else’s paper about gene networks supports intelligent design does not count–especially if you studiously ignore the paper’s discussion of evolution and the complete absense of the phrase intelligent design from its pages.

This process is following the path well worn by previous creationist incarnations … they just have a different interpretation of the evidence.

I’m pushing for a new word coined for this practice: pubjacking. I suggested para-cite as an alternative neologism.

I’m curious to see the inside of one of those intelligent design laboratories Thompson was talking about.

I’m guessing we’ll see more results from Muppet Labs than from ID Labs.

]]> By: wamba http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/comment-page-1/#comment-3353 wamba Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:06:19 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2006/08/02/in-search-of-the-elusive-intelligent-design-laboratory/#comment-3353 <blockquote> I haven't yet seen a reaction from Intelligent Design advocates to the new defeat. </blockquote> Ed Brayton is <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2006/08/here_comes_the_trivialization.php" rel="nofollow">on the ball</a>.

I haven’t yet seen a reaction from Intelligent Design advocates to the new defeat.

Ed Brayton is on the ball.

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