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	<title>Comments on: Looking For A Gloomy Read?</title>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/04/06/looking-for-a-gloomy-read/comment-page-1/#comment-4753</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 02:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deech56, we can do as little about global warming/cooling/climate change on Earth as we can on Mars, which, coincidently, is also experiencing global warming. Land use or mis-use is something that can be affected. The hard part is convincing the third world and the rapidly industrializing behemoths of India and China that preserving the natural world is important. One hopes that increased wealth will bring about environmental awareness as it has in the West.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deech56, we can do as little about global warming/cooling/climate change on Earth as we can on Mars, which, coincidently, is also experiencing global warming. Land use or mis-use is something that can be affected. The hard part is convincing the third world and the rapidly industrializing behemoths of India and China that preserving the natural world is important. One hopes that increased wealth will bring about environmental awareness as it has in the West.</p>
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		<title>By: Deech56</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/04/06/looking-for-a-gloomy-read/comment-page-1/#comment-4752</link>
		<dc:creator>Deech56</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 23:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The IPCC is a political organization. It is a branch of the UN...&quot; So is the WHO. The IPCC merely represents the totality of climate research.

&quot;Most species survived the Holocene maximum, which was warmer than the IPCC estimates for 2100.&quot; But land use (as you pointed out) is much different than it is now, making habitats more patchy, and the rate of change is also what&#039;s troubling this time around.

&quot;That&#039;s what species do. They survive climate change, amongst other challenges.&quot; They also go extinct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The IPCC is a political organization. It is a branch of the UN&#8230;&#8221; So is the WHO. The IPCC merely represents the totality of climate research.</p>
<p>&#8220;Most species survived the Holocene maximum, which was warmer than the IPCC estimates for 2100.&#8221; But land use (as you pointed out) is much different than it is now, making habitats more patchy, and the rate of change is also what&#8217;s troubling this time around.</p>
<p>&#8220;That&#8217;s what species do. They survive climate change, amongst other challenges.&#8221; They also go extinct.</p>
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		<title>By: Mencius</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/04/06/looking-for-a-gloomy-read/comment-page-1/#comment-4751</link>
		<dc:creator>Mencius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 22:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve McIntyre at Climate Audit has put together a nice little &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1341&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;collection&lt;/a&gt; of some of the gems he&#039;s picked up in the last few years, solely in the subfield of paleoclimatology.

Anyone who doesn&#039;t find this list interesting - even if purely as a starting point - is either (a) not interested in science, (b) not interested in journalism, or (c), of course, both.

We now return you to your previously scheduled &quot;framing.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve McIntyre at Climate Audit has put together a nice little <a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1341" rel="nofollow">collection</a> of some of the gems he&#8217;s picked up in the last few years, solely in the subfield of paleoclimatology.</p>
<p>Anyone who doesn&#8217;t find this list interesting &#8211; even if purely as a starting point &#8211; is either (a) not interested in science, (b) not interested in journalism, or (c), of course, both.</p>
<p>We now return you to your previously scheduled &#8220;framing.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/04/06/looking-for-a-gloomy-read/comment-page-1/#comment-4750</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 05:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The IPCC is a political organization. It is a branch of the UN, the most corrupt political organization in the history of mankind. Oil for food, anyone? Pedophiles in Africa, anyone? Peace anywhere, anyone?

Be that as it may, estimates of species being wiped out by global warming, such as we have suffered recently in Cleveland, are grossly overblown. Most species survived the Holocene maximum, which was warmer than the IPCC estimates for 2100. Most species survived the last ice age, too. That&#039;s what species do. They survive climate change, amongst other challenges.

What they don&#039;t survive is land use changes. A friend&#039;s niece is off to Indonesia to study Gibbons in the wild. She&#039;d better hurry. The Indonesians are burning off their rain forest at a great rate and neighboring countries are complaining about massive air pollution.

In 2001, I met the captain of an oil tanker who sailed Indonesian waters. He had photos taken from the bridge of his ship where you could not see the bow. This was during the burn-off season. They don&#039;t have an EPA.

Such massive destruction of nature&#039;s realm no longer happens in the Western world, but it still does in the third world.

Global Warming is not the problem. Global poverty and the resultant abuse of natural resources is the problem we should be addressing. Providing cheap electricity to the third-world poor is much better for the planet than leaving them with no recourse but to burn dung and wood stripped from living trees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The IPCC is a political organization. It is a branch of the UN, the most corrupt political organization in the history of mankind. Oil for food, anyone? Pedophiles in Africa, anyone? Peace anywhere, anyone?</p>
<p>Be that as it may, estimates of species being wiped out by global warming, such as we have suffered recently in Cleveland, are grossly overblown. Most species survived the Holocene maximum, which was warmer than the IPCC estimates for 2100. Most species survived the last ice age, too. That&#8217;s what species do. They survive climate change, amongst other challenges.</p>
<p>What they don&#8217;t survive is land use changes. A friend&#8217;s niece is off to Indonesia to study Gibbons in the wild. She&#8217;d better hurry. The Indonesians are burning off their rain forest at a great rate and neighboring countries are complaining about massive air pollution.</p>
<p>In 2001, I met the captain of an oil tanker who sailed Indonesian waters. He had photos taken from the bridge of his ship where you could not see the bow. This was during the burn-off season. They don&#8217;t have an EPA.</p>
<p>Such massive destruction of nature&#8217;s realm no longer happens in the Western world, but it still does in the third world.</p>
<p>Global Warming is not the problem. Global poverty and the resultant abuse of natural resources is the problem we should be addressing. Providing cheap electricity to the third-world poor is much better for the planet than leaving them with no recourse but to burn dung and wood stripped from living trees.</p>
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		<title>By: Deech56</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2007/04/06/looking-for-a-gloomy-read/comment-page-1/#comment-4749</link>
		<dc:creator>Deech56</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 15:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting to read about the controversy surrounding the efforts to dilute some of the more serious findings. Am I the only one who is eagerly awaiting the RealClimate.org entry about this? I will also be interested to see the inevitable attacks from the AGW skeptics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting to read about the controversy surrounding the efforts to dilute some of the more serious findings. Am I the only one who is eagerly awaiting the RealClimate.org entry about this? I will also be interested to see the inevitable attacks from the AGW skeptics.</p>
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